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ZionsvilleColtsFan 01-30-2021 11:04 PM

ESPN just announced Stafford to Rams
 
Colts missed out - whose on deck?

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ks-sources-say

njcoltfan 01-30-2021 11:08 PM

For what ?

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 01-30-2021 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 185711)
For what ?


3 draft picks (Two 1st Round Draft Picks + one 3rd Round Draft Pick) and Jared Goff


https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1355712541171863553

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Full terms of the deal: It’s Matthew Stafford to the Rams for 2 1st rounders and a 3rd rounder, along with Jared Goff.

njcoltfan 01-30-2021 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ZionsvilleColtsFan (Post 185710)
Colts missed out - whose on deck?

I think the Colts are going to do something with the Jets, either getting Darnold or acquiring the 2nd pick of this years draft.

njcoltfan 01-30-2021 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 185712)
Two - 1st Round Draft Picks
One - 3rd Round Draft Pick
Jared Goff

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1355712541171863553

Well as much as I like Stafford, i'm glad we didn't do a deal like that !! The Rams got fleeced.

apballin 01-30-2021 11:17 PM

2 first is too steep for me fuck that

ZionsvilleColtsFan 01-30-2021 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 185711)
For what ?

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ks-sources-say

TheMugwump 01-30-2021 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 185712)
3 draft picks (Two 1st Round Draft Picks + one 3rd Round Draft Pick) and Jared Goff


https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1355712541171863553

That's a steep price, even granting that getting rid of Goff is addition by subtraction.

Spike 01-30-2021 11:45 PM

Lions are fucking stupid. Wonder what those dumb fucks are going to pay Goff.

Didn't see that coming, I was wrong, oh well not the first time.

Jared Goff is now set to become the Lions’ new franchise quarterback. Goff’s 2021 salary includes $27.5 million in guaranteed money and a cap hit of almost $35 million.

Maniac 01-30-2021 11:50 PM

Goff and two 1st round picks is way too much to give up.

Hoopsdoc 01-30-2021 11:50 PM

Rams now have no first round picks until 2024. Lol.

This is pretty much what I expected. Some team would give more than Ballard was willing to give.

In this case, that’s more than I would have given.

Colts And Orioles 01-30-2021 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ZionsvilleColtsFan (Post 185710)



The Colts missed out ...... who's on deck ???


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ks-sources-say




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31 posts in 2 years ???

Would you please shut the fuck up already, you windbag ???

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Hoopsdoc 01-31-2021 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 185714)
Well as much as I like Stafford, i'm glad we didn't do a deal like that !! The Rams got fleeced.

Not if they win a super bowl. Stafford in Mcvays offense will be formidable.

Coltsaction 01-31-2021 12:15 AM

Detroit...... Where players go to watch their career go down the toilet. Good luck Goff.

Dam8610 01-31-2021 01:31 AM

Wow, Sean McVay is the modern day George Allen. Ballard never would've traded that much, nor should he. This makes the QB situation much more concerning for 2021, however.

Brylok 01-31-2021 03:39 AM

I never thought Stafford was coming here anyway, but I'm glad we didn't pay anywhere near that price. I kinda feel bad for Goff.

ukcolt 01-31-2021 06:32 AM

In draft day trades, if you are at the top of the 2nd round and really like a guy, the asking price is usually the following years No.1 pick, i would argue that if you are in the middle to late 2nd round and really wanted a guy and didn't have a pick in the 1st round of the following years draft you would need to give up a 1st rounder from 2 years ahead.

So another way to look at this in the immediate case the Rams gave up Goff, and a top 2nd rounder and mid 2nd round selection and a 3rd rounder this year.

The Lions are only going to receive a 3rd round pick plus Goff and an awful lot of dead cap space THIS YEAR. They are rewarded in subsequent years though.

I suspect the actual cost to get Stafford alone was not much more than the 2 later year first rounders, which would easily equate to a 1st and 2nd rounder this year, which many people were speculating was exactly what the price would be.

Personally i like 1st round selections in later seasons, but in a win it all now case scenario that the Rams are in, it isn't quite as bad as maybe first thought.

JAFF 01-31-2021 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 185719)
Lions are fucking stupid. Wonder what those dumb fucks are going to pay Goff.

Didn't see that coming, I was wrong, oh well not the first time.

Jared Goff is now set to become the Lions’ new franchise quarterback. Goff’s 2021 salary includes $27.5 million in guaranteed money and a cap hit of almost $35 million.

On the surface I agree with what you said. Here’s my question, what if they take those two number one picks and move up in this year‘s draft to say the number three spot?

Spike 01-31-2021 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 185747)
On the surface I agree with what you said. Here’s my question, what if they take those two number one picks and move up in this year‘s draft to say the number three spot?

Good question. One of the issues with the Ram's #1 picks are that they will be very late 1st round picks since I figure the Rams will be very serious SB contenders now. I personally wouldn't trade a #3 spot for the Rams two #1s because at that point it is a crapshoot, where as a 3 is where you can land a stud player.

My son in law is a Lion's fan, and he hates this trade because of Goff's contract. That's the biggest reason I said the Lions were stupid. The Rams were dumb as fence posts to pay that guy that ridiculous money, and the Lions bailed them out.

JAFF 01-31-2021 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 185751)
Good question. One of the issues with the Ram's #1 picks are that they will be very late 1st round picks since I figure the Rams will be very serious SB contenders now. I personally wouldn't trade a #3 spot for the Rams two #1s because at that point it is a crapshoot, where as a 3 is where you can land a stud player.

My son in law is a Lion's fan, and he hates this trade because of Goff's contract. That's the biggest reason I said the Lions were stupid. The Rams were dumb as fence posts to pay that guy that ridiculous money, and the Lions bailed them out.

Justin Fields isnt worth a look? Hell, use one of the picks for Darnold

Spike 01-31-2021 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 185752)
Justin Fields isnt worth a look? Hell, use one of the picks for Darnold

Fields will go in the top 10 first round picks, do you think a team targeting him will trade out to get 2 lower first round picks? As far as Darnold, maybe.

Oldcolt 01-31-2021 10:51 AM

My first thought when I read this was that this was the rare trade that both teams lost. Maybe Stafford will be the last piece they need, he better be. Now nobody has any idea whatsoever where Ballard will go. Are we stuck in almost good enough hell?

albany ed 01-31-2021 11:00 AM

If Stafford turns out to be the missing piece, then this was a good trade for the Rams. They were saddled with a QB they had lost faith in and he had a huge contract. I imagine the negotiations going something like this. If you want us to take Goff off your hands you'll have to throw in more draft choices. Getting rid of Goff and his huge contract was paramount for the Rams.

Maniac 01-31-2021 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 185756)
If Stafford turns out to be the missing piece, then this was a good trade for the Rams. They were saddled with a QB they had lost faith in and he had a huge contract. I imagine the negotiations going something like this. If you want us to take Goff off your hands you'll have to throw in more draft choices. Getting rid of Goff and his huge contract was paramount for the Rams.

Getting rid of their future in the process of getting rid of his contract. It's win now or else. Personally I don't think Stafford puts them over the rest of the elite teams in the league.

YDFL Commish 01-31-2021 11:56 AM

I hate to say this but we may end up with Andy Dalton when this is all said and done.

Dewey 5 01-31-2021 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 185756)
If Stafford turns out to be the missing piece, then this was a good trade for the Rams. They were saddled with a QB they had lost faith in and he had a huge contract. I imagine the negotiations going something like this. If you want us to take Goff off your hands you'll have to throw in more draft choices. Getting rid of Goff and his huge contract was paramount for the Rams.

NBA type trade.

Hoopsdoc 01-31-2021 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 185751)
Good question. One of the issues with the Ram's #1 picks are that they will be very late 1st round picks since I figure the Rams will be very serious SB contenders now. I personally wouldn't trade a #3 spot for the Rams two #1s because at that point it is a crapshoot, where as a 3 is where you can land a stud player.

My son in law is a Lion's fan, and he hates this trade because of Goff's contract. That's the biggest reason I said the Lions were stupid. The Rams were dumb as fence posts to pay that guy that ridiculous money, and the Lions bailed them out.

I disagree. If I’m not mistaken, they can get out of that contract in 2 years, years they plan on using to rebuild anyway. Goff’s contract will keep them above the salary floor for that period, then they can use that money however they want to.

Hoopsdoc 01-31-2021 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 185761)
I hate to say this but we may end up with Andy Dalton when this is all said and done.

You shut your whore mouth.

Ironshaft 01-31-2021 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 185761)
I hate to say this but we may end up with Andy Dalton when this is all said and done.

Alas, when I was looking at all the QB situations a week ago, I felt like we will end up in one of three ways:

1. Sign Dak if he makes it to free agency (he will not)

2. Trade for Darnold (prob our 3rd rounder)

3. Sign either Andy Dalton, Cam Newton or Mitch Tribiscuit.

Don't hate the red rifle; it is becoming more probably that he will be wearing a horseshoe next season.

TheMugwump 01-31-2021 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ironshaft (Post 185785)
Alas, when I was looking at all the QB situations a week ago, I felt like we will end up in one of three ways:

1. Sign Dak if he makes it to free agency (he will not)

2. Trade for Darnold (prob our 3rd rounder)

3. Sign either Andy Dalton, Cam Newton or Mitch Tribiscuit.

Don't hate the red rifle; it is becoming more probably that he will be wearing a horseshoe next season.

I agree that Dak won't really be available. Jerry is still Jerry.

I would be fine with Dalton, and I would worry about Trubisky, but be hopeful if Reich and Ballard grabbed him because they know 1000x more than any of us.
But I really think Darnold can be a quality starting QB for the next 10-12 years. (this may come back to haunt me, thank the gods we don't have an archivist here...), and hope we go that way.

Cam? Cam can sit on it, Potsie.

Colts And Orioles 01-31-2021 06:46 PM

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The author of the article chimes on on the Rams' handling of their salary cap over the last few years. He points out that the contracts for Brandin Cooks, Todd Gurley, and Jared Goff were not so great in the first place, but now they look even worse due to the fact that none of those 3 players are still with the Rams.



Rams now Own the 2 Biggest Dead Cap Hits in NFL History

(By Cameron DaSilva)

https://sports.yahoo.com/rams-now-ow...140055184.html

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Dam8610 01-31-2021 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 185793)
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The author of the article chimes on on the Rams' handling of their salary cap over the last few years. He points out that the contracts for Brandin Cooks, Todd Gurley, and Jared Goff were not so great in the first place, but now they look even worse due to the fact that none of those 3 players are still with the Rams.



Rams now Own the 2 Biggest Dead Cap Hits in NFL History

(By Cameron DaSilva)

https://sports.yahoo.com/rams-now-ow...140055184.html

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Maybe it will force them to release Donald and the Colts can sign him to team with Buckner and form the best interior pass rush in NFL history.

Ironshaft 02-01-2021 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 185805)
Maybe it will force them to release Donald and the Colts can sign him to team with Buckner and form the best interior pass rush in NFL history.

Naw.

For 2021, Donald's cap hit is $27.8m but his dead cap is $35.9m. It would cost the Rams $8.1m MORE in cap space to cut him in 2021 than retain him. A trade would help them clear a bit of cap space (only about $3m) but the cost to the new team would be steep in draft choices.

The Saints, Eagles, Rams, Falcons, Packers and Steelers are all in cap trouble for 2021.

While the Falcons and Steelers can "solve" their cap troubles by cutting one or two high paid folks, the others don't have enough guys to cut to make it under the cap. They will have to restructure which is only kicking the can down the road and putting them into cap hell later.

They gambled greatly that the cap would always keep rising and the COVID contraction is going to kill them.

Chromeburn 02-01-2021 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ironshaft (Post 185820)
Naw.

For 2021, Donald's cap hit is $27.8m but his dead cap is $35.9m. It would cost the Rams $8.1m MORE in cap space to cut him in 2021 than retain him. A trade would help them clear a bit of cap space (only about $3m) but the cost to the new team would be steep in draft choices.

The Saints, Eagles, Rams, Falcons, Packers and Steelers are all in cap trouble for 2021.

While the Falcons and Steelers can "solve" their cap troubles by cutting one or two high paid folks, the others don't have enough guys to cut to make it under the cap. They will have to restructure which is only kicking the can down the road and putting them into cap hell later.

They gambled greatly that the cap would always keep rising and the COVID contraction is going to kill them.

It’s put over half the league in trouble. It will be a FA Buffett soon.

JAFF 02-01-2021 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 185805)
Maybe it will force them to release Donald and the Colts can sign him to team with Buckner and form the best interior pass rush in NFL history.

Because getting rid of the best D lineman in the NFL makes so much sense

Dam8610 02-01-2021 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 185858)
Because getting rid of the best D lineman in the NFL makes so much sense

Most of what you post doesn't make sense. Doesn't stop you.

Of course they would want to keep Donald. I don't think it will happen that they're forced to release him to clear cap space, and I hadn't even looked into the cap implications of them releasing him. I'd just really like to see Aaron Donald as a Colt, but I've wanted that since February 2014.

JAFF 02-01-2021 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 185872)
Most of what you post doesn't make sense. Doesn't stop you.

Of course they would want to keep Donald. I don't think it will happen that they're forced to release him to clear cap space, and I hadn't even looked into the cap implications of them releasing him. I'd just really like to see Aaron Donald as a Colt, but I've wanted that since February 2014.

I dont waste time on what wont happen

Dam8610 02-01-2021 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 185885)
I dont waste time on what wont happen

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 185748)
Can he play Qb?

STFU liar.

albany ed 02-02-2021 06:28 PM

Not that this will ever happen, but what if the Lions said they wanted to trade Goff? Would the Colts be interested and if so, at what price?

JAFF 02-02-2021 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 185902)
STFU liar.

On no, I’m crushed by your response.


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