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Thorgrim 01-09-2021 06:27 PM

The rise and fall of the third Reich?
 
Three seasons into his tenure with the colts and despite two playoff appearances coach Reich is on the hot seat with some of the fans.
How do you feel about his abilities at this juncture? IMO he certainly deserve a measure of credit for the teams success however I do wonder how his questionable decisions through the season have affected team confidence.
Will we look back on today’s loss as a significant event in his downfall or will year four show marked improvement in his coaching with corresponding results on the field?

njcoltfan 01-09-2021 06:46 PM

As I just posted in the game day thread, how about a little love for the OL today, no sacks given up!!

Dam8610 01-09-2021 07:05 PM

Fortunately Jim Irsay is smart enough to know he has the right coach and GM. This roster has done nothing but improve under Reich and Ballard and there's no reason to get rid of either of them. They need to find a QB, but once they do, they'll be competing for a Super Bowl every year.

rm1369 01-09-2021 07:15 PM

I’m not nearly as down on Reich as it seems most are.

I was fine going for it on 4th. I figured Buffalo would get points before half and I didn’t think FG’s would beat them. Getting 7 or having them pinned deep was worth the risk IMO. They made some great plays. That’s really the difference in the game - they

ZionsvilleColtsFan 01-09-2021 08:02 PM

Reich, Rivers and 2021
 
Keep Reich, let Rivers go, sign Carson Wentz and draft a QB

IndyNorm 01-09-2021 08:02 PM

IMO Reich deserves credit and should not be on the hot seat, which seems like a knee jerk reaction to the loss today. Even though today was disappointing, 11-5 and giving probably the 2nd best team in the AFC (and possibly NFL) everything they could handle is overall a really good season and definitely improvement YOY.

There are definitely some things he needs to improve on:

- Our end of half/game clock management needs a lot of improvement.
- He should probably reign in passing on FGs a bit. Not only did it cost us today, but it should have lost the game at Hou.
- He gets too cute on his play calling at times. The set of downs that led to said passed on FG being prime examples.
- He definitely needs work on his in game adjustments and inexplicably abandons the run too often.

If he cleans up some of that then he'll be a top flight coach IMO.

Dam8610 01-09-2021 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ZionsvilleColtsFan (Post 183441)
Keep Reich, let Rivers go and sign Carson Wentz and draft a QB

The point of trading for Wentz is to put off the QB position for one more year. You draft a LT if you trade for Wentz.

Mr. Session 01-09-2021 08:13 PM

They are going to have to find an LT in the next two years and I think they'll have to invest high but god I pray Wentz and his glass skeleton are not under center for Indianapolis next year.

They should have a plan to compete for rings in the next two years and playing games like this is going to waste the prime years for the youth they have in the trenches now.

Draft the fucking LT, or draft the kid out of Alabama who just runs - different (because TY can't beat 1 on 1 coverage), and then break the fucking bank and give Rogers whatever the fuck he wants.

YDFL Commish 01-09-2021 08:14 PM

First off Reich is going nowhere and I don't question his decisions, just the execution and the personnel when he calls them.

I have no interest in Wentz and don't believe that LT is our biggest need. We need an Edge rusher that can be a force on every down. We have not fared well against mobile QB's this season because we have no speed on the outside.

rcubed 01-09-2021 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 183444)
The point of trading for Wentz is to put off the QB position for one more year. You draft a LT if you trade for Wentz.


If they trade for wentz I would guess they plan on him playing more than one year.


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Mr. Session 01-09-2021 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 183453)
First off Reich is going nowhere and I don't question his decisions, just the execution and the personnel when he calls them.

The bolded is my main issue today.

I don't mind playing to win. I hate overtime on a meaningful level.

But HOW he went about doing that today. I don't understand it and I feel they overthink things.

Hoopsdoc 01-09-2021 08:22 PM

I just hope Reich isn’t sentimental wrt Rivers. They need to be exploring every single available option to secure the qbotf. Rivers will win games but he’s not winning Super Bowls and every year with him under center is a year spinning their wheels.

I was thinking about this today and I believe this roster is top 5 in the entire league in terms of top to bottom talent, outside of quarterback. It’s a damn shame that that position is holding us back.

Hoopsdoc 01-09-2021 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Session (Post 183455)
The bolded is my main issue today.

I don't mind playing to win. I hate overtime on a meaningful level.

But HOW he went about doing that today. I don't understand it and I feel they overthink things.

Was listening to Keefer and Holders podcast last week and they made an interesting point re Reich- he has always been and will always be unique in the way he calls an offense. When it works, it looks amazing, but when it doesn’t, it can look bad. That’s the trade off you have to make with him.

I think he’s an excellent coach and I think he’s getting better every week. It’s games like today and Pittsburgh that make you wonder, but you have to take the good with the bad. I think with Luck this offense would have been nigh near unstoppable by now.

rcubed 01-09-2021 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 183436)
I’m not nearly as down on Reich as it seems most are.

I was fine going for it on 4th. I figured Buffalo would get points before half and I didn’t think FG’s would beat them. Getting 7 or having them pinned deep was worth the risk IMO. They made some great plays. That’s really the difference in the game - they


I didn’t like going for 2 the first time


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Racehorse 01-09-2021 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 183460)
I didn’t like going for 2 the first time


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Nor did I. I know what he was thinking, but I still don't like the call

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 01-09-2021 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Thorgrim (Post 183415)
Coach Reich is on the hot seat with some of the fans.

If you hear anybody make this comment, you need to ask them who do they think the Colts could hire that would be significantly better.

I still view Reich as an above average coach - I don't think he is a top 5 coach, but I think he is in the next tier. The Colts could certainly do worse if they had to pick a new coach.

The players like playing for him.

He has had a different starting QB every year he has been head coach - will there be a 4th different QB next year?

nate505 01-09-2021 09:30 PM

The challenge on that fumble was so mind numbingly bad that is hard to fathom that people who get paid a lot of money for these decisions made it. It wasn't close, it has no chance on hell of being overturned, and it cost the team a timeout when they really, v really, really could have used it at the end.

rm1369 01-09-2021 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 183460)
I didn’t like going for 2 the first time

I didn’t have a problem with the call. With the investment the team has made on the oline they should be able to convert from the one. And if they failed they had another shot to make the point back (as happened). I don’t think it was the obvious call, but I don’t see it as a bad one.

Chromeburn 01-09-2021 10:12 PM

Reich is ok with me. Just stop getting so cute all the time at the goal line.

No on Wentz. He is too fragile and not that great. Draft a QB, see what’s available on the market. We need accuracy at the position. Rivers missed guys in key situations. Gotta be able to hit open guys.

Strengthen the roster. We need pass rush, corner, WR. Hopefully LT isn’t a need yet.

Butter 01-10-2021 12:31 AM

Reich is not and should not be on the HOT seat, he needs to dial back some of his aggression and "cute" plays, but he is a solid coach and I think will continue to get better.

Coltsaction 01-10-2021 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 183503)
Reich is not and should not be on the HOT seat, he needs to dial back some of his aggression and "cute" plays, be he is a solid coach and I think will continue to get better.

I agree. Especially about the "cute" plays... That's one of the reasons I hope Brissett moves on.

Dam8610 01-10-2021 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 183454)
If they trade for wentz I would guess they plan on him playing more than one year.


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Either they get Wentz and he's the franchise QB we all want, in which case you've put it off for much more than 1 year, or he's not, in which case he'll perform poorly and put the Colts in striking distance of drafting a franchise QB with a Top 10 pick.

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 183488)
Reich is ok with me. Just stop getting so cute all the time at the goal line.

No on Wentz. He is too fragile and not that great. Draft a QB, see what’s available on the market. We need accuracy at the position. Rivers missed guys in key situations. Gotta be able to hit open guys.

Strengthen the roster. We need pass rush, corner, WR. Hopefully LT isn’t a need yet.

The Colts should get their LT of the future in this draft. Castanzo is incredibly likely to retire in 2022 if he doesn't in 2021.

apballin 01-10-2021 07:23 PM

Eason, PJ Walker , or a rookie QB

That’s my list no need to pay a guy 25 mil or up

I’d be really interested in Walker

rcubed 01-10-2021 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 183581)
Either they get Wentz and he's the franchise QB we all want, in which case you've put it off for much more than 1 year, or he's not, in which case he'll perform poorly and put the Colts in striking distance of drafting a franchise QB with a Top 10 pick.

Or, he misses games each year we get 8-9 wins and pick middle of the pack


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Racehorse 01-10-2021 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by apballin (Post 183590)
Eason, PJ Walker , or a rookie QB

That’s my list no need to pay a guy 25 mil or up

I’d be really interested in Walker

Isn't he in Carolina?

apballin 01-10-2021 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 183594)
Isn't he in Carolina?

Yea but they have bridge water and were showing interest in Haskins

I could see them letting him go

Racehorse 01-10-2021 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 183605)
Yea but they have bridge water and were showing interest in Haskins

I could see them letting him go

If they do, wouldn't that mean he isn't worth much?

apballin 01-10-2021 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 183627)
If they do, wouldn't that mean he isn't worth much?

Or they feel like Haskins has more potential/ higher ceiling

Dam8610 01-11-2021 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 183593)
Or, he misses games each year we get 8-9 wins and pick middle of the pack


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If he misses a bunch of games, then the Colts would be likely to get the top 10 pick and draft a guy. I want to see what this coaching staff can do with a complete team.

rcubed 01-11-2021 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 183677)
If he misses a bunch of games, then the Colts would be likely to get the top 10 pick and draft a guy. I want to see what this coaching staff can do with a complete team.


If he were to miss 3-4 games a year that doesn’t guarantee a top 10 pic.


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Dam8610 01-11-2021 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 183725)
If he were to miss 3-4 games a year that doesn’t guarantee a top 10 pic.


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Yes, any plan can go worse than expected. So doing nothing is better, then?

rcubed 01-11-2021 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 183736)
Yes, any plan can go worse than expected. So doing nothing is better, then?


Do nothing? Thats not what i said at all. If we have to give up decent capital, plus pay him a lot and he has a history of getting hurt, its doesn’t seem like a good idea to me.

Now he does have familiarity with reichs system and has played well in the past so maybe it would work out fine....but as the saying goes “the best ability is availability “


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Chaka 01-11-2021 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 183581)
Either they get Wentz and he's the franchise QB we all want, in which case you've put it off for much more than 1 year, or he's not, in which case he'll perform poorly and put the Colts in striking distance of drafting a franchise QB with a Top 10 pick.

Pederson was just fired, so I'm thinking that this may decrease the likelihood of a Wentz trade. Hard to say for sure though.

Discflinger 01-12-2021 12:29 AM

My Coach!

Discflinger 01-12-2021 12:30 AM

Jim did good this time.


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