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Chromeburn 12-13-2020 01:05 PM

The Colts QB in 2021 is?...
 
I’m a little surprised we haven’t started a thread on this yet. But who is our starting QB next year? Rivers and Brisset both have their contracts ending. Only Eason will be under contract. You have a ton of rumors out there and possible QBs that will be available. Veterans. Young guys that didn’t work out at their current home. Possible draft picks, a trade up in the draft?

Some names being thrown around:
Dak Prescott
Mathew Stafford
Matt Ryan
Brisset again
Sam Darnold
Carson Wentz
Rivers again
Eason emerges
Aaron Rodgers?

Draft QBs
Trevor Lawrence
Justin Fields
Trey Lance
Zach Wilson
Kyle Trask
Kellen Mond
Jamie Newman
Mac Jones
Zach Wilson

Puck 12-13-2020 01:32 PM

I think it will be Rivers. I also think they will bring in a vet back up on a 1 yr deal which IMO will be JB (on a much smaller contract) and Eason. I don't think the vet backup will be signed until after the draft, but I think Rivers gets extended

I want Jamie Newman if we get a chance to draft him

Hoopsdoc 12-13-2020 01:40 PM

It will most likely be Rivers, although I give it about a 50/50 shot.

Wentz is the dark horse candidate, given his history with Reich.

apballin 12-13-2020 01:57 PM

Starting to think it will be brissett

HoosierinFL 12-13-2020 02:36 PM

I suspect Rivers, he's getting better with more time on the team, getting used to playing with this WR corps. I think Eason will be fine, too.

Chromeburn 12-13-2020 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by HoosierinFL (Post 178851)
I suspect Rivers, he's getting better with more time on the team, getting used to playing with this WR corps. I think Eason will be fine, too.

To me Eason is just an unknown quantity. Nothing good or bad, just no information on him. So I can’t say he is the future at all besides being a cheap backup.

Colts And Orioles 12-13-2020 03:11 PM

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Philip Rivers.

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omahacolt 12-13-2020 03:21 PM

My guess is Rivers and we will be pissed not to have a young guy in the wings.

Dam8610 12-13-2020 03:25 PM

I think Stafford would be a good bridge that would allow Ballard to identify a guy he likes with little pressure to do so while also allowing this team to maximize its current window with the talent currently on the roster.

jasperhobbs 12-13-2020 05:26 PM

I would be ok with the Colts bringing in Carson Wentz for the right price. I doubt they will draft a QB. Their first round pick has to go for a left tackle.

albany ed 12-13-2020 05:57 PM

Well, if the Jets stay the worst, I say its will be Darnold.

TheMugwump 12-13-2020 06:19 PM

Rivers or Darnold.

Dam8610 12-20-2020 01:47 AM

What about Carson Wentz? Reich was his coordinator in his MVP caliber season in 2017 before he got injured. It would require a trade, but he's making less in the next 4 years on average than Rivers did this year. If the Colts can get him for a 3 (that could conditionally become a 2 based most likely on team performance), and if there's an offseason program so that Reich can work with him on things like his footwork and mechanics (both of which have been awful this year), I think this could possibly be the best solution to the QB problem. Thoughts?

rcubed 12-20-2020 03:50 AM

Rivers.


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Chaka 12-20-2020 03:53 AM

At this point, I think Rivers is the odds-on favorite to return.

I am VERY skeptical that established, face-of-franchise veteran QBs like Prescott, Stafford or Ryan would be traded or (in Prescott's case) allowed to leave. None of those teams are currently projected in the top few picks, and while its certainly possible any one of them could chose a QB in the first round, it makes more sense to me that they would make a Jordan Love-type move and let a new QB sit for a season or two. Why jettison a good player at the game's toughest position? Moreover, there are serious cap complications with Stafford or Ryan, both of whom are midway through large contract extensions, an issue which alone could make a deal unlikely.

So if River isn't our guy, I think the next most likely scenario is to trade/sign a younger QB with an inconsistent record like Darnold, Wentz or even (gasp) Mitchell Trubisky. Darnold isn't making a good case to stay in NY at all at this point, and his trade value is sinking rapidly. But he's only 23. Wentz has the strongest resume, but are the Eagles really ready to get rid of him? He would also cost the most, has a spotty injury history, an has cap complications. Trubisky is certainly a dark horse, and his signing would cause howls of anguish, but he's an athletic former #2 overall pick who is still only 26 and has a few sustained flashes of success, so I don't think you can count him out entirely if the Colts staff thinks they can right his ship (he would also command the smallest contract, and wouldn't cost a draft pick).

Assuming all three were available, I'd think Wentz would be the most likely. Not sure that Ballard would be willing put a player like Darnold or Trubisky at the most important position, We really can't afford to waste a year of on-the-job training for a new QB as the team as a whole is developmentally mature and ready to contend.

The wild card in all of this is Eason, of course. I suppose it says something that we've kept him on the roster all year and haven't tried to move him to the practice squad. Beyond this, however, I haven't seen much about his progress other than an occasion generic quote about how the Colts like his progress.

JAFF 12-20-2020 08:21 AM

I’m sure Darnold is going to get a chance somewhere. He’s got the athletic ability, but the Jets are so bad, its hard to gauge if can still be effective.

What would it take to acquire Danold?

jasperhobbs 12-20-2020 08:35 AM

I heard they are in negotiations with Curtis Painter to coax him out of retirement.

JAFF 12-20-2020 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jasperhobbs (Post 179732)
I heard they are in negotiations with Curtis Painter to coax him out of retirement.

Better off with Matt Painter

albany ed 12-20-2020 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 179730)
I’m sure Darnold is going to get a chance somewhere. He’s got the athletic ability, but the Jets are so bad, its hard to gauge if can still be effective.

What would it take to acquire Danold?

Darnold is a risk, but so is Wentz, and Wentz has an enormous contract. Darnold should be cheap as long as the Jets remain in the #1 draft position, because Trevor Lawrence is a certain #1 pick. If you pick him, you say goodbye to Darnold and everyone knows it, so his trade value shrinks. If you can get him really cheap, maybe you keep Rivers and groom Darnold. You can't do that with Wentz, he's much too expensive. Being a NYer, I've seen more of Darnold than most have here. I see talent, just bad coaching, constant changing of schemes and not much WR talent. He's still really young and can be coached into a very good QB (IMO). I'd like to see him in a Colts uniform with Reich as his coach, especially since I hate the Jets. I'd really enjoy getting him cheap and turning him into a stud.

Dewey 5 12-20-2020 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 178965)
Well, if the Jets stay the worst, I say its will be Darnold.

Well the Jags are now the worst & I can't see them winning another game so forget about Darnold.

YDFL Commish 12-20-2020 08:19 PM

Remember guys, that next year will be a reduced salary cap and the many of the QB's you are talking about will have to be traded for.

I can't see Ballard trading draft capital and accumulating large salaries.

I'm still a big Kyle Trask fan. and hope he's there whenever we pick in the 1st round.

njcoltfan 12-20-2020 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 179953)
Well the Jags are now the worst & I can't see them winning another game so forget about Darnold.

Don’t they play the Colts again??

Dewey 5 12-20-2020 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 179968)
Don’t they play the Colts again??

Maybe if the if we have are playoff seeding locked in Reich will rest guys if there is nothing to gain of lose.

Dam8610 12-20-2020 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 179953)
Well the Jags are now the worst & I can't see them winning another game so forget about Darnold.

Justin Fields is the #2 guy in this draft. He would also require moving on from Darnold.

Dewey 5 12-20-2020 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 179975)
Justin Fields is the #2 guy in this draft. He would also require moving on from Darnold.

I think his stock is dropping like a rock.

Chromeburn 12-20-2020 11:45 PM

Jags now have the number one pick by tie breaker. Jags need to win another game.

Butter 12-21-2020 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 179984)
Jags now have the number one pick by tie breaker. Jags need to win another game.

The Jags will find a way to ruin him.

Dewey 5 12-27-2020 05:34 PM

If Rivers is our QB in 2021 we are screwed.

Hoopsdoc 12-27-2020 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 180856)
If Rivers is our QB in 2021 we are screwed.

Yep. Need to figure something else out.

Puck 12-27-2020 06:10 PM

Again. No idea how PR is to blame for the loss..... Both starting tackles out... he put plenty of points up to win the game.... had to PRESS at the end to make something happen. Give me Rivers again next yr for sure

Ironshaft 12-27-2020 06:23 PM

I forgot.

I forgot that while the fans and players want a level playing field to just win or lose based on the play on the field, the NFL has its narrative its needs pushed.

In 2nd half of PIT game, the refs completely shoved the scale down on the side of the Steelers.

I forgot that the NFL has a narrative and having a 39 year old QB who has never sniffed post-season success win today was not in that narrative.

I hate forgetting that unless we have a HoF QB on the roster, we are the Washington Generals, not the Globetrotters.

We need to try to draft out next young HoF QB so we can be in the NFL narrative again.

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Chaka 12-27-2020 07:32 PM

My prediction: Rivers is our QB next year, and he's paid as much or more than he is being paid this year.

Dewey 5 12-27-2020 08:09 PM

It's been two years now since Luck quit. Time to find a real solution. No more bridge qb's. Figure this shit out!

Brylok 12-27-2020 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 180919)
It's been two years now since Luck quit. Time to find a real solution. No more bridge qb's. Figure this shit out!

I'm hoping for an Eason miracle. There's nobody else available that I think will be better than Rivers.

rcubed 12-28-2020 01:36 AM

Unless something unexpected happens it will be rivers on another one year contract.


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Dam8610 12-28-2020 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 180949)
I'm hoping for an Eason miracle. There's nobody else available that I think will be better than Rivers.

Stafford would be a sturdier bridge. I think Ballard needs to take a chance and move up for a QB in this draft. I think Kyle Trask or Mac Jones would be worthwhile, especially if they can trade up to the end of Round 1 to get one of them after getting their LT of the future. I like Eason, but unless the team starts showing confidence in him, I'm hesitant to do so myself, especially with no preseason this year.

Dam8610 12-28-2020 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 180919)
It's been two years now since Luck quit. Time to find a real solution. No more bridge qb's. Figure this shit out!

It's not really a possibility, but wouldn't it be great if Luck came back? This team would be favored to win the Super Bowl for the next 5 years with him at QB.

Chaka 12-28-2020 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 180968)
Stafford would be a sturdier bridge. I think Ballard needs to take a chance and move up for a QB in this draft. I think Kyle Trask or Mac Jones would be worthwhile, especially if they can trade up to the end of Round 1 to get one of them after getting their LT of the future. I like Eason, but unless the team starts showing confidence in him, I'm hesitant to do so myself, especially with no preseason this year.

The Colts are not starting a rookie QB next season, and I really doubt Stafford will be available as he's midway through a large contract extension, so there are serious financial complications aside from the fact that he's Detroit's best player and probably its most popular player as well. Furthermore, his stats are pretty similar to Rivers' stats (I know, different personnel...)

The fact is that Rivers is, by most measures, an above-average QB, and this team can win with an above-average QB.

Dam8610 12-28-2020 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Chaka (Post 180970)
The Colts are not starting a rookie QB next season, and I really doubt Stafford will be available as he's midway through a large contract extension, so there are serious financial complications aside from the fact that he's Detroit's best player and probably its most popular player as well. Furthermore, his stats are pretty similar to Rivers' stats (I know, different personnel...)

The fact is that Rivers is, by most measures, an above-average QB, and this team can win with an above-average QB.

Rivers is a 39 year old above average QB. Those tend to age like milk, with few exceptions. Stafford is 32, and the Lions are rebuilding again. Popular or not, the writing is on the wall in Detroit that he likely won't be back. I'd like to see what he could do behind an OL that can block with a run game that can take pressure off of him and a defense that can keep him in ballgames. It seems to have rejuvenated Rivers, perhaps it could do the same for Stafford.

Maniac 12-28-2020 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 180972)
Rivers is a 39 year old above average QB. Those tend to age like milk, with few exceptions. Stafford is 32, and the Lions are rebuilding again. Popular or not, the writing is on the wall in Detroit that he likely won't be back. I'd like to see what he could do behind an OL that can block with a run game that can take pressure off of him and a defense that can keep him in ballgames. It seems to have rejuvenated Rivers, perhaps it could do the same for Stafford.

I think everyone would prefer to have Stafford instead of Rivers.


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