Doyle the same this afternoon. He went a step further essentially stating there is no way this team couldn't have known how bad it would be with Tolzein and basically doesn't care - i.e. the fix is in. I believe it.

Also, another thing he spent some time on- that being the status of Luck's head. In his view this team legitimately does not know where Andrew stands mentally right now.

I'm sorry, everyone can play it down, boo hoo it till the sun goes down. This is your damn star QB, the guy who until a month or so ago was the highest paid player in the league. A guy supposed to set a new standard of excellence.

The team doesn't even know where his mindset is? And there are still those that think things are hunky dory within this organization? Doyle's classification was a dumpster fire!

This is an unmitigated disaster!

Reporters are like trolls. Don't take what they say seriously.

C'mon man, there's more smoke here than all the C&C movies rolled into one.

I didn't see it but I guess Cuck's response when asked if Luck was practicing this week "he's out this week"... then was pressed, "but the question is whether he is practicing this week?"... "he's out this week". Why, why play these type of games - are the Cards gonna get a decided advantage by hearing Luck is or is not practicing this week? The Browns- they gonna change their game plan?

I can't stand the Cuck, but c'mon, there's a reason behind an answer that contrite.

This is all a fucking disgrace. This team is a fecal catastrophe right now.

Dam -- just answer me this one simple, honest question: where is the player development with any of Pagano's players?

We know he banged the table for D'Joun Smith and TJ Green. We know he's had his BAL and former U guys. We know regardless of who Grigson has supplied previously (and a lot of that supply has been problematic; Grigson deserved to be fired for it), he's had 6 years to develop players.

So I just ask: where is that development?

There isn't any! It's really that simple.

Position by position:

QB: Luck has progressed very well and is one of the best QBs in the NFL when healthy.
RB: The Trent Richardson experiment was doomed to fail from the start. Apart from that, he hasn't had much to work with, but Boom Herron looked good in limited time and Marlon Mack looks very promising. He hasn't had much else to develop at the position, and no one was ever going to make Trent Richardson a quality NFL RB, it's very difficult to fix vision problems.
WR: Hilton has been one of the best receivers in the league, Moncreif has been a dangerous receiver when healthy, Rogers is a UDFA who has shown the ability to contribute in the NFL.
TE: He got production out of Fleener at a similar or better level as he has produced with Drew Brees. When healthy, Allen looked like a solid contributor, and Jack Doyle has come from UDFA status to become a solid contributor.
OL: Castanzo, Mewhort, and Kelly have been solid starters when healthy. No one else has been healthy and in the starting lineup consistently enough to develop.

DL: Henry Anderson has looked good when healthy, and is the highest draft pick Pagano has had to work with at the position. That said, he's made contributors out of street free agents like Lawrence Guy and T.Y. McGill and the one starting caliber free agent he's had that stayed healthy (Corey Redding) performed very well while here.
OLB: Bjoren Werner sucked and no one was going to turn him into a good player. Apart from him, Terrell Basham is the first Day 2 or higher pick Pagano has had to work with at the position. As for veterans, Robert Mathis went from a good player to an all-pro and near DPOY before age got the best of him. Erik Walden also had by far his best and most productive years here.
ILB: Jerrell Freeman became a solid starter under Pagano and was the team's best LB before he was inexplicably let go. He's the best talent Pagano has been provided at the ILB position, everything else has been washed up FAs, UDFAs, and a mid round pick who is too slow to play effectively in the NFL.
CB: Turned Vontae Davis into a Pro Bowler after Miami gave up on him. Other than that, he's had 1 day 2 pick to work with and several free agents who didn't pan out due mostly to injuries. Let's see what he does with .
S: Turned Mike Adams into a Pro Bowler. Hasn't been given much else to work with at the position.

It's likely not the best track record of development, but it's certainly not the worst you're going to find, either.

so basically, any player that sucked was not his fault but all credit goes to him for the players that did well

gotcha. answered it exactly how i thought you would. like a little bitch

So you think someone could've made productive players out of Trent Richardson and Bjoren Werner? Why didn't that team sign them and do it once they became available?

That DID happen with Mario Addison...

Jerry Hughes...

Lawrence Guy...