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Luck4Reich 04-29-2021 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 192180)
He's not EDGE1, he's not even EDGE4. This is terrible. This is Bjoren Werner bad.

Watch out everyone Dam has seen into the future:cool:

smitty46953 04-29-2021 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 192180)
He's not EDGE1, he's not even EDGE4. This is terrible. This is Bjoren Werner bad.

Bad memory bringing up Werner. Hope you are wrong :cool:

Dam8610 04-29-2021 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 192181)
He should shine next to Buckner ! :cool:

Sure hope the coaches can unlock the traits. He had 11.5 sacks in 4 years at Michigan.

rcubed 04-29-2021 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 192181)
He should shine next to Buckner ! :cool:


Hope so.


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Dam8610 04-29-2021 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 192184)
Bad memory bringing up Werner. Hope you are wrong :cool:

I hope I'm wrong about a lot of things based on tonight. The reason I brought up Bjoren Werner was because he was the EDGE name that everyone had rated highly that year and I had as a bust. That guy for me this year was Kwity Paye. They had Teven Jenkins for the taking. How do you pass that up for traits alone in Kwity Paye? How?!

rcubed 04-29-2021 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 192188)
I hope I'm wrong about a lot of things based on tonight. The reason I brought up Bjoren Werner was because he was the EDGE name that everyone had rated highly that year and I had as a bust. That guy for me this year was Kwity Paye. They had Teven Jenkins for the taking. How do you pass that up for traits alone in Kwity Paye? How?!


Because Ballard >> Grigson


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Butter 04-29-2021 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 192180)
He's not EDGE1, he's not even EDGE4. This is terrible. This is Bjoren Werner bad.

This feels like an enormous overreaction.

Oldcolt 04-29-2021 11:05 PM

Polian said never pass up a pass rusher or a quarterback. Hope Ballard finally hits on a defensive end.

rcubed 04-29-2021 11:06 PM

I wonder if Ballard will move up in the second


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apballin 04-29-2021 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 192188)
I hope I'm wrong about a lot of things based on tonight. The reason I brought up Bjoren Werner was because he was the EDGE name that everyone had rated highly that year and I had as a bust. That guy for me this year was Kwity Paye. They had Teven Jenkins for the taking. How do you pass that up for traits alone in Kwity Paye? How?!

Yea I don’t like the pick, would’ve rather seen a LT there seems like a project guy that according to the analysts needs coached up, idk

Puck 04-29-2021 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 192185)
Sure hope the coaches can unlock the traits. He had 11.5 sacks in 4 years at Michigan.


He also played multiple positions on the DLine and was their best DLineman. He faced double and triple teams every freakin play.


We had next to no pass rush last yr. It's fixed now or at least addressed.


You are over rating Jenkins He may still be there at 54. Either way In your scenario You would have reached for Jenkins there and missed on any possibility of an edge rush. Now we have the edge and can look for OT later and the combination is MUCH better doing it this way

My guess there will be at least 3 good OT at 54

Thorgrim 04-29-2021 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 192194)
I wonder if Ballard will move up in the second


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My thought as well.

Maniac 04-29-2021 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 192193)
Polian said never pass up a pass rusher or a quarterback.

That makes no sense.

Dam8610 04-29-2021 11:08 PM

I will say this: I hated the Nelson pick for positional value, but still thought he would be a good player. I just hate this pick. I hate it, and there's no other way to put it. There goes Darrisaw to the Vikings at 23, and here comes Jenkins to the Steelers to maul Paye for the next three years at 24.

Ironshaft 04-29-2021 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 192194)
I wonder if Ballard will move up in the second


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Using what?

A next year pick? That is the only ammo he has.

njcoltfan 04-29-2021 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 192178)
How do you leave Teven Jenkins and Christian Darrisaw on the board there? Hope the DL coach can unlock all those traits Paye has, but not holding out much hope. If you're going EDGE, why on Earth would you take Paye over Ojulari?! Now watch the Titans take Ojulari and the Steelers take Jenkins. Because everything always sucks in the draft.

They better get a tackle to protect Wentz, the more he gets hit the more he throws to the wrong colored jersey!! I guess Ballard has given up on Bonago! Could have had one of the best tackles in the draft, but will have to settle for what ever is left with our next pick.

Dam8610 04-29-2021 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 192196)
He also played multiple positions on the DLine and was their best DLineman. He faced double and triple teams every freakin play.


We had next to no pass rush last yr. It's fixed now or at least addressed.


You are over rating Jenkins He may still be there at 54. Either way In your scenario You would have reached for Jenkins there and missed on any possibility of an edge rush. Now we have the edge and can look for OT later and the combination is MUCH better doing it this way

My guess there will be at least 3 good OT at 54

Payton Turner, who will likely be better than Paye, will likely be on the board at 54. Teven Jenkins will not.

Luck4Reich 04-29-2021 11:10 PM

Ballard likes Team Captains:cool:

Butter 04-29-2021 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 192199)
I will say this: I hated the Nelson pick for positional value, but still thought he would be a good player. I just hate this pick. I hate it, and there's no other way to put it. There goes Darrisaw to the Vikings at 23, and here comes Jenkins to the Steelers to maul Paye for the next three years at 24.

Wrong najee Harris

CaliColtsFan 04-29-2021 11:13 PM

Kwitty !!

Dam8610 04-29-2021 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 192201)
They better get a tackle to protect Wentz, the more he gets hit the more he throws to the wrong colored jersey!! I guess Ballard has given up on Bonago! Could have had one of the best tackles in the draft, but will have to settle for what ever is left with our next pick.

The only positive about this is that a LOT of OTs are falling, enough that a good one (my guess being Radunz) will likely be there at 54. But give me Teven Jenkins and Payton Turner over Quitty Paye and Dillon Radunz.

Butter 04-29-2021 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Maniac (Post 192198)
That makes no sense.

It does, but you are simple and do not understand nuance.

Oldcolt 04-29-2021 11:14 PM

Polian felt that pass rushers and quarterback were the two most difficult positions to fill on a team. If you thought you had a good one he felt that you took them.

Dam8610 04-29-2021 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 192212)
Wrong najee Harris

Oh. Good. They got Jerome Bettis with speed and receiving ability. That's much better than them getting Jenkins.

Dam8610 04-29-2021 11:19 PM

Top 10 of Round 2 will be OT run extreme.

Butter 04-29-2021 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 192217)
Oh. Good. They got Jerome Bettis with speed and receiving ability. That's much better than them getting Jenkins.

Lol, this much butt hurt is weird. Did you want us to take harris so they couldn't?

Luck4Reich 04-29-2021 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 192216)
Polian felt that pass rushers and quarterback were the two most difficult positions to fill on a team. If you thought you had a good one he felt that you took them.

Most of us understood you.;)

Maniac 04-29-2021 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 192215)
It does, but you are simple and do not understand nuance.

He was high when he said that! That's like saying if you ain't first you're last. That makes no sense at all. You can be 2nd, 3rd, 4th, hell, you can even be 5th!

rcubed 04-29-2021 11:23 PM

I was initially disappointed but pucks probably right. We needed pressure and addressed that. OT is deep in this draft so we knew this was a good possibility.


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Dam8610 04-29-2021 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 192219)
Lol, this much butt hurt is wierd.

Not butthurt. I just watched Najee Harris play. Would you prefer Derrick Henry with better speed and receiving ability? It's kind of the same thing, Bettis just fit the Steelers theme better. Najee is huge, fast, and runs routes and catches the ball like a WR.

Puck 04-29-2021 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 192214)
The only positive about this is that a LOT of OTs are falling, enough that a good one (my guess being Radunz) will likely be there at 54. But give me Teven Jenkins and Payton Turner over Quitty Paye and Dillon Radunz.

Guess why they are falling? They are not the BPA on the boards!!!!!


Anyway I trust Ballards opinion over yours

Dam8610 04-29-2021 11:25 PM

The Ravens are the best drafting organization in football, here comes Jenkins or Ojulari.

Dam8610 04-29-2021 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 192225)
Guess why they are falling? They are not the BPA on the boards!!!!!


Anyway I trust Ballards opinion over yours

I hope he's right, but I don't see how. As someone said earlier, Ballard has a tendency to fall in love with traits too much on Edge rushers, like Turay and Banogu.

Luck4Reich 04-29-2021 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 192226)
The Ravens are the best drafting organization in football, here comes Jenkins or Ojulari.

You sound like a huge Steelers/Ravens fan in this thread:D

Butter 04-29-2021 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 192224)
Not butthurt. I just watched Najee Harris play. Would you prefer Derrick Henry with better speed and receiving ability? It's kind of the same thing, Bettis just fit the Steelers theme better. Najee is huge, fast, and runs routes and catches the ball like a WR.

What? You make no sense. you were bitching about the Steelers taking going to take Jenkins and I pointed out they took Harris instead. You are crackers man.

Puck 04-29-2021 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 192226)
The Ravens are the best drafting organization in football, here comes Jenkins or Ojulari.

They'll take JOK

Butter 04-29-2021 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Maniac (Post 192222)
He was high when he said that! That's like saying if you ain't first you're last. That makes no sense at all. You can be 2nd, 3rd, 4th, hell, you can even be 5th!

Because you do not understand nuance, you are taking a general statement too literal.

nate505 04-29-2021 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 192221)
For fucks sake dam.


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Remember, that scrub Taylor was off his list because he fumbled too much.

Spike 04-29-2021 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 192099)
Wow! Leatherwood! Huge favor by the Raiders.

Raiders are dumb as hell.

Maniac 04-29-2021 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 192231)
Because you do not understand nuance, you are taking a general statement to literal.

I understood it just fine, I took it literal on purpose to joke around. Lighten up Francis.


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