No, I recognize the value of a franchise QB and the death spiral that happens with consistent 3 and outs on offense.

For once, I almost agreed with you. I had to add in the truth to do so, however.

This is the fundamental disagreement we have, I think. You seem to think things like a QB overthrowing a ball, a receiver or tight end dropping a pass, or an OL not making a good enough block are on coaching, which means in your world players bear no responsibility to execute the responsibilities of their position. I disagree with that entirely. It is the QB's job to throw the ball accurately, it is the receiver's job to catch the ball, and it is the OL's job to make their blocks well enough to allow the skill players to execute their responsibilities. If they're not doing that, they need replaced, but unfortunately it's nigh impossible to do that midseason.

As I mentioned in my previous post my fundamental disagreement is you over emphasize the accountability of the talent and underemphasize the accountability of the coaching. Both are true and are grave issues for this franchise. For example from the Titans game:

1. Moncrief dropped a catch for a touchdown that was a perfect ball right in his hands with very little pressure from the defender. It is Inexcusable that he cost his team points. His contract is due next year. We have seen enough. He should be held to account and should NOT be signed. Further, according to Doyle, he skipped out of the locker room so fast after the game they were searching for him to interview him and he was nowhere to be found. He's a self centered punk who is not a good team mate. Done

2. Our coaches put our best offensive asset (Hilton) in a bunch formation exactly once where he gained 19 yards yet failed to replicate that sensible/obvious design to thwart the Titans bracket. There are dozens of scheme issues, clock management isssues, and roster selection issues over the course of 6 years that this leadership team has made with unacceptable result and they must be held to account and fired at the end of the season.

It's not that hard.....it's not players or coaching. It's players AND coaching. But you can't ignore the coaching incompetence. To do so diminishes your credibility.

It is the responsibility of the coach to correct those things. Instead, players get a clap and a pat on the backside. If he seemed to have an inkling of how to even start doing his job right, we would still support him.

Of course the coaching bears some responsibility, just usually nowhere near the degree of responsibility most posters on this board want to claim. For example, everyone here wants to say that because the Titans were successful blitzing that the coaching staff failed to adjust to that. The reality is that the coaches called plays that would've beat the blitz in the second half, but the players (Brissett mainly) didn't execute. I know coaches and QBs get bigger shares of credit for wins and blame for losses than is deserved, but you guys take the coaches and blame part way too far.

What is he supposed to do if Brissett consistently fails to execute in the second half? Put Tolzien in? Sure, he can tell him not to overthrow it, go over mechanics with him, practice it more during the week, etc., but ultimately, if Brissett is going to overthrow a ball in a situation, he's going to do that, and that's on him, because the coaching staff can't go out and their the ball for him. Sometimes the coaching staff doesn't have a good option.

This staff has not just a good option, they have a great option- quit!

Brissett consistently chokes in the 2nd Half that's the issue

Ok...Dam's mom.

Chuck doesn't know why Mack only had 2 carries. SMDH. Doesn't he even talk to Chud during games? Talk about a fucked up coaching staff.

https://www.indystar.com/story/sport...ack/780931001/

Wow. I kind of think he's already been told this is his last year and it's freed him from pretending to give a fuck.....Frank and Mack.....Mack and Cheese......seriously?!

Pagano is a fucking clown!

I wish he would stop posing as an NFL coach and join the circus where he belongs. Dam could join him and be a snake charmer.

I am shocked that he didn't bring in Tolshit. He seems to like the guy and he benched Mack for missing one block on favor of a less talented RB.

oh yeah

is that why Luck struggles at times. he is choking? can't be because we have a shit staff that ill prepares the team or fails to compensate for pressure right?

i liked you better before you became a fanboy

Bullshit- Luck struggles early in games, he's at his best just reacting not running a pre planned game scheme

Brissket is just the opposite comes in hot, executes great, then when intensity gets cranked up he checks down or goes deer in headlights-- on theroad he's even worse

Luck struggles early because of shitty game-planning by Pagano. When he forsakes it, he excels. Brissett does well with what he has learned so far, but runs into problems after the half. His struggles late in the game are because Pagano does not equip the team at the half to make adjustments.

As far as I'm concerned labeling Brisset a choker is ridiculous. If you want to give him a label I think hero is a Better fit. Has he made some poor decisions.....absolutely and has been frazzled at times. But when you consider this 23 y/o came in September and had to learn and execute a whole different offense on the fly it boggles the mind to think how well he has performed. Those who know both the Patriots and Colts systems (ex Reggie, Duane Allen ) have all noted that they are 180 degree different.....this is THE most complex position and when you add in his poise, leadership, and toughness it's nothing short of remarkable. Several of the reporters who cover the colts beat have noted that his peers have a ton of respect for him in the locker room. As tough as this season has been as a fan, I don't want to imagine what a cluster fuck it would be if we still had Tolzein under center.

At this point I think I'm convinced apballin is Dam's alt account.

Or maybe they are lovers. Maybe they will get married and invite us all to their gay pagano themed wedding. They will never get divorced because dam can't admit he is wrong.

My guess is apballin is the botttom.

I'm gay because I don't over react and put everything on Pagano

Yet you little bitches blame everything with this injury riddled flawed ass roster on Pagano

Get a grip pussies- we've seen this movie before

No fucking coach is winning with this team I don't give a fuck who it is

it isn't about the winning. it is about the effort, readiness, inability to recognize his best players, and actual play on the field.

that is why pagano should be fired.

and you are gay because the only reason you would support pagano at this point is if you wanted to jump his incompetent bones

His best player is hurt, then Kelly, Hooker, Melvin leave the game

If this was happening with Luck, ok but what did we really expect

So Dam has two accounts? Since ap stands for either Ashley, Amber, or Alice Pagano, and ballin is misspelled, should be bawling, then Dam is a Pagano. It all makes sense now.

competency

Thought so. :p

Next man up. Pagano helped build this roster, when someone goes down there should be an adequate backup to fill in, not crap.

Backup QB was not addressed because Luck was "gonna be ready"

And Pagano was telling us Tolzien looked great and was ready to go.
Also though Green should start at CB over much better options.

The list goes on and on

What's he supposed to say?

He's the coach and you got to have your players back

We all know the shit he says in front of the media is all bullshit right?

If we know it's BS, and the media knows it BS, then the players know it's BS, so how are you going to win over the players by lying to them. You lose credibility, and then the players your coaching, just as he has already this season.

If I were Dam, i would stay away until Pagano does something positive. However, I am not Dam; I am smart.

You truly are a stupid person aren't you?

What was your sat score?

Same as his golf score.

People who ever thought Pagano was a good head coach are dumb as hell.
FACT

People who ever thought Ryan Grigson was a good GM are dumb as hell.
FACT

People who ever thought Pep Hamilton was a good offensive coordinator are dumb as hell.
FACT

These things are not mutually exclusive.

Once again your stumped I see

This isn't brain game dumbfuck

Shouldn't you be bitching about Trump faggot

Yep fuck golf, boring ass waste of time

I'm not a pussy that needs an excuse to go drink with my friends

When most guys are swinging clubs, you're washing balls aren't ya?

I good coach, like that douche in New England, puts some less talented players in positions and has them succeed. Ninkovich, Vrabel, Amendola, Brady, any RB he's ever had, etc. A good coach knows how to game plan around his roster even if it's less talented.

He's the head coach. He's the one that should be overseeing everything that is working well and what doesn't. If it works, continue to do it, if it sucks, change it, but he sure as hell doesn't even know what he's lookin at to evaluate if it's good or not.

Pagano just stares at the damn screen and wonders what his next tag line will be, instead of installing a game plan taking advantage of a young fresh RB that can make plays, moving your QB around to keep him from getting put on his ass, or even sets to get your best offensive weapon a mismatch.

That douche in NE cheats. It's a lot easier to put players in position to succeed when you know what the other team is calling.