Uh, Lawrence has the Jags going to the next round of the playoffs. How did the Jags actually botch the Lawrence pick? Makes absolutely no sense, but I guess keep beating that damn drum for Mac Jones.

I want to go on the record to say I would not trade up to get any of these QBs, Colts at 4 are guaranteed a solid pick and the bust potential of all of these guys is about equal! I do like Levis but no way would I give up our #4 and our #36 pick for him when it is very possible he might be there at #4 anyway!

What Lawrence did the other day, was about as Manning as anything since Manning. He was the only QB who it just did not matter how many INT's he threw, at the end, he was going to have his team right there with a chance to win despite what might have been a miserable game otherwise.

Farvhe was close to it, but no one has been able to do that like Manning did.

The refs had to give Lawrence the Tommy Tutu treatment for him to make that work. Joey Bosa was bear hugged on Lawrence's last TD, which is the only reason that wasn't a sack. Sure would've been nice of the refs to bail Herbert out of 2nd and 19 the way they did for Lawrence as well. I will give Doug Pederson a lot of credit, though, he's really good at designing offensive gameplans that mask the deficiencies of mediocre QBs.

Bust potential of Stroud and Young are minimal. Bust potential of Levis is through the roof.

And here I thought people would compare it to the 2014 Luck game (complete with the Superman dive and everything). Luck, of course, didn't get repeatedly bailed out by the refs, but these are apparently minor details.

That shit happens in every game. Refs suck.

Doesn't diminish what Lawrence accomplished. You just seem to not be able to accept the fact that you were wrong about Lawrence and Jones.

Hell Dam, we're all wrong sometimes. Some more than others though.

Seems like Young's stock is on the rise and if we cant him we would need to trade up to get him. I saw one mock that had us trading up to get him first overall, and earlier mock that had us picking him straight up 4th overall.

Overall I like Young over Stroud and Levis. The colts absolutely need a week 1 starter, and young is the closest to that from the three top candidates. I'm not confident we have the talent on our coaching staff to develop a "project" QB properly.

While I would be surprised if we do it, I would not be opposed to picking up two QBs.

I disagree with minimal, plus I don't see either of them being very durable! We shall see!

We don't have a coaching staff at all.

Reportedly according to Twitter rumors Colts like Stroud, Levis, and Richardson and would be happy with any of the three. Long way to go though and still need a head coach and offensive system.

Saying that, Stroud is the last guy I would draft. Tom Tupa is the last OSU Qb, to go to the NFL pro-bowl, too bad it was as a punter.

The size issue with Young taking him off the Colts board would seem to make sense. Ballard obviously sees the value in measurables.

Being short is one issue... He's listed at 194lbs., but I keep reading he's more like 180-185lbs. Drew Brees was 213lbs. at the combine. Kyler Murray was 207lbs.

Was just listening to the show before JMV (not sure what they even call it now). Whoever was speaking was running through this and talking about how he does not think Ballard would be brave enough to draft Richardson. His words were "Ballard is scared to death of drafting a 1st round QB and he's already gone on record and stated his is going to do absolutely everything to get whichever one he is convinced is a lock".

Man that absolutely sucks, it sucks that we have a dude that is perceived to be a coward running personnel. So he's at the table and all the other players are laughing as they take his stacks over and over again because he sucks at the game. Why is this guy allowed to continue receiving a check?

Who was the last Cal QB prior to Aaron Rodgers? How about the last Texas Tech QB before Mahomes? Wyoming QB before Allen? Ooh, Clemson QB before DeShaun Watson? LSU or OSU QB before Burrow?

I can tell you that Drew Brees was headed to Wyoming, but he changed his mind to follow Joe Tiller to Purdue, as an institution has done better than OSU for Qb’s.

That doesn't answer any of the questions, but I think my point is proven.

Some facts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback_U

https://saturdaytradition.com/big-te...lege-football/

Justin fields may work out. But as a history OSU sucks when it comes to producing Qbs for the NFL

I still say it’s Levis

It’s the constant clean pocket and the shitty competition for me. Not saying he’s not gonna pan out but of the 2 I’d choose Levis he played better competition and was constantly under duress that’s more likely a simulation of what he’s gonna see at the next level

Here, let me answer the questions I posed:

Cal: Joe Kapp in 1969
Texas Tech: No one
Wyoming: No one
Clemson: No one
LSU: Bert Jones in 1976

I know Purdue is historically known for producing NFL starting caliber QBs, I'd be a pretty bad alum if I didn't. But Aidan O'Connell is not likely to be an NFL starter, and CJ Stroud is. As I said before, school pedigree has never been less relevant to evaluating QBs than it is today.

If you think Stroud had a constant clean pocket, that tells me you didn't actually watch him play. For the life of me I don't understand why anyone thinks highly of Paris Johnson Jr., he nearly got Stroud killed with regularity as OSU's starting LT.

As for Levis, he could be the next Josh Allen or the next Carson Wentz, but Carson Wentz is the much more likely outcome.

Levi’s was sacked 58 times in 2 seasons

Stroud was sacked 25 times his entire college career ——25

Burrow in 2 seasons sacked 69 times

But he may be more like your boy Lawrence he was sacked all of 11 times his last year at Clemson

This is why it's important to watch the games. Him only being sacked 25 times is a testament to his ability to sense and escape pressure, which he did consistently on the film of him that I watched. There were typically 4-6 plays per game where he could've been sacked, but instead rolled out of the pocket, kept his eyes downfield, and turned it into a positive pass play.

I can not for the life of me see why in the hell it is relevant that a school has or hasn't produced great NFL QBs before. Schools don't have a great QB until they do. There is no magic that rubs off or doesn't just because you went to some specific school.

Are you Stroud's agent?:D

I don't prescribe to the theory that OSU can't produce a good QB, because of past failures.

But I do prescribe to the theory that somehow we are cursed with Ohio State players. This goes all the way back to Schlicther and continues with Quitcock, Doss, Gonzalez, Lewis, Campbell, Hooker, Mewhort, Hartsock. Did I miss anyone?

I'll back you up here. Not for Stroud in particular because I haven't yet watched enough. But generally, avoiding sacks is a QB skill you wouldn't be able to tell just from looking at numbers. Manning and Marino are by far the best QB's at avoiding sacks and it wasn't because they always had stellar protection.


Conflating correlation with causation.

Cal: people go to Cal to be scientists, and they dont lower their ed standards for sports. Rodgers is smart enough and like Allen a better athlete than scouted.
But Cal has quite a list of nfl QBS: Steve Bartkowski, Vince Ferragamo (shared with Nebraska), Craig Morton, Aaron Rodgers and Joe Kapp

Texas Tech: Right coach but he left and they are back on track on a stepping stone for a good coaches next job. FYI, same problem at Purdue, before and after Tiller.

Wyoming: Ever been there? Its farm kid heaven, and closer to God at 7000+ ft above sea level. Allen was a star student in FFA, and from a small rural school, it was man , moment, history. BTW, if Tiller stays at Wyo, he would have had Brees to start, a list of very good athletes becoming good Qbs. Much like BYU, which has produced more NFL Qbs than OSU.

Clemson: new coach with new offense to take on ACC and old time coaching. Same with LSU and the SEC. Alabama had Nameth and Stabler, how many great throwing Qbs have they developed since then?

OSU has been a dominant program for two reasons, they can run the ball and they can stop the run. OSU typically have very good O and D linemen. Which attracts really good running backs. And when the weather gets crappy in October and November, you win by running the ball.

Purdue: many quarterbacks, most grads in the NFL. No national championships. How many great running backs have come from Purdue? What ever level, you win games and championships by running the ball. Its how coaches keep their jobs.

Look, college programs are not designed to be farm teams for the NFL. College teams can succeed by putting a great athlete at QB and giving him two option pass plays and then let them be athletes and run.

Teams dont need a great overall athletic QB to win. He needs:
1. Brains, think on the fly, teachable, accepts tough coaching
2. Arm talent. Accuracy
3. Leads by example
4. Courage, learn from mistakes

How does Stroud grade on the above

My point was that school pedigree is not relevant to evaluating present day college prospects. Yes, OSU has historically been a run first program, but they haven't been that since Urban Meyer took over, and they certainly haven't been that under Ryan Day. Stroud is not just an athlete they stuck at the QB position that can't read defenses. If he were his rushing numbers would be much better and his passing numbers much worse.

1) I have no idea about how he "accepts tough coaching", I don't have access to Ryan Day or his staff. I haven't heard them say anything bad about him though, and his draft stock would likely fall if they did. As for the rest, the best attribute of a QB I can come up with based on your description is ability to read a defense and pre-snap reads. He does those things well for a rookie NFL QB. He uses his eyes effectively to move coverage favorably.

2) Stroud and Young are hands down the two most accurate QBs in the class. Stroud put on an arm talent masterclass against Georgia, I left a video link earlier in the thread if you care to go watch it.

3) Something that's not exactly ascertainable in game film, but I will say once again in the Georgia game he was down several players against the best defense in college football and ended up using his athleticism to put his team in position to win at the end. This was in part because Georgia's defense was so scared of him beating them with his arm that they forgot to account for him taking off out of the pocket.

4) I've seen him stand in against a pass rush and make throws knowing he was going to take a shot. He also quite frequently escapes pressure and turns a potential negative play into a positive one. He certainly doesn't shrink under pressure. He also doesn't turn the ball over much and protects it well.

Scout the player not the helmet. You can scout the program, how they teach and the quality of what they teach. But just looking at the symbol on the helmet, that doesn’t do anything.

For example: The quality of the coaching at Bama is so good, teams say that the players are maxed out and that they might not have as high a ceiling as other guys. What you see in college is close to what you see in pros.

Whats the old Woody Hays quote?

When you pass the ball three things can happen in two of them are bad.

Taylors first 2 years he had 1000 yard seasons. This year, he couldnt stay health and the Colts couldnt block, he gained less than 900 yards.

If the Colts, draft any Qb, they had better sign some FA’s O linemen and draft as many mobile O linemen as they can, so they can keep who ever is back there from taking a beating. Qb or Rb

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I believe that when people see coincidences piling up, they like to point it out and talk about it ...... even if they don't really believe that it's necessarily relevant, it's a "thing", and people (in general) tend to gravitate towards "things."

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As someone who lived through Schlicther and who does believe in the football gods this makes complete logical sense to me. Your list is painful.

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Ohio State did have one college quarterback whom the Colts converted into a running back ...... and then turned him back into a quarterback out of desperation.




http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5jRDome29B...Tom1_Colts.jpg

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Yes, I know. Jim Parker was also from Ohio State. That's why it's the curse of Art Schlichter. This all happened after Sclichter.

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Parris Campbell had his healthiest (and best) season so far, and that was with with a horrible offensive line that was blocking for his quarterbacks ...... at 25 years-old, I'm looking forward to seeing him in 2023 and beyond, especially if the Colts improve both the offensive line and the quarterback position.

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There's reason to be excited about Campbell. He flashed his explosiveness on the rare occasions our offense could execute. But he was reduced to a possession receiver in most instances. Which is good that he showed he could do that as well, not just be a gimmick and deep-ball guy.

If the QB/OL situation can stretch the field more (couldn't possibly be less), I think he'll do well.

OFCOURSE you did and how dare you forget the legend of Roy fuckin Hall

I dont agree with that. When Joe Tiller showed up for Purdue, he brought the idea of basket ball on grass and he recruited Qbs that could execute this game plan. He found fast skinny kids who could catch and run, even if it was on the back canvas

What do they do well in Wisconsin? Run the ball. They recruit guys who are as wide as they are tall and block the hell out of the opposing D. The weather is cold and snowy and a good running game doesnt care about the weather.

For years Fisher De Barry ran the wishbone/wingbone, and won a ton of games. He didnt have the biggest, or the fastest, but he more often than not, he had the smartest. They ran the ball on everyone. A smart Qb made the D wrong, and put the ball where it needed to go. Navy just finished a 10 year plus of competitive football letting smart guys think.

Winning teams have winning plans. If I’m USC, passing is going to a big part of my offense. If I’m Nebraska, I going back to recruiting and building my team from home grown talent and getting them into the weight room. Go back to getting the best talent from Dakotas and Wyoming. Then line up and run the ball.