Bob, I remember him well.

On the other end of the competency spectrum, I think it was Bill Parcells who commented that the fastest road to mediocrity in football was listening to your fan base.

JT disappeared the last half of the year, both running and blocking. I know it wasn't his fault, it is never anyones fault. We lost 8 games in a row and zero people are held responsible. Shit just happens to this franchise. Next year we will be more urgent (begs the question of what the fuck we were this year and why nobody is held accountable for it). These guys just didn't try hard enough last year (somehow nobody gets fired), next year they are gonna. I am sure that a winning/accountable culture will spontaneously arrive for us.

I had no idea the Colts listened to their fan base so closely

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The Colts don't listen to their fan-base ...... at all ...... not even in the slightest.

Kray was not insinuating that the Colts listened to their fan-base ....... he was pointing out the fact that if the Colts did listen to their fan-base, they would make the Jets and the Browns look like model franchises.

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It was sarcasm. Parcells stated that you better not listen to your fan base otherwise you will become mediocre. We have been the defiition of mediocre the last decade, hence I was being sarcastic by insinuating we must be listening to the fan base because we are so mediocre.

As long as we are quoting Parcells I think his most famous and often repeated quote of his is "You are what your record says you are".

I would absolutely prefer to be either the Browns or the Jets right fucking now. They both have looked at the status quo and said fuck this- this isn't acceptable. At least they are positioned to try to do something different to change the trajectory of the team. But hey, hopeium is also a fucking great alternative!

Give me a raging red nosed sponged liver psychopath demanding fucking results vs this wishy washy, participation trophies are great, bullshit we have now.

How can you not see this, how can you not recognize that we are in the literal WORST of all NFL positions. We aren't in the playoffs, we don't have a high pick, and we don't even have a first rounder.

Why in the FUCK do you and others seemingly relish in being mediocre for the sake of being mediocre?

Several have asked the question, no one, including you, answer- WHAT THE FUCK DOES IT TAKE, WHEN IS ENOUGH SUCKING--- ENOUGH SUCKING????

O come on now, can't we narrow it down better than that? ;)

CW, 1969. That's the last time the Jets were in a Super Bowl. And the Browns? They're envious of that. They've been trying to change the trajectory of the team for 57 fucking years in one case and eternity in the other. You can start rooting for them right now. They're used to unhappy fans. You'll fit right in.

I said right now, nothing to do with the past. Right now, absolutely give me the position of either the Jets or the Browns. Jets are going to get a chance to draft a potential super star at QB and they have a stockpile of high picks to help him with.

The Browns have the best defensive end in the game, possibly history, and could look to complement him with another demon edge rusher in Bane to create a duo that would terrorize QB's or they could go get a stud WR like Lemon, or even get Love at RB. All pieces that could be massive pieces for their future.

We, we on the other hand will be watching day 1, and we're most likely not going to be able to get "the best defensive player in the draft (cocky chortle, cocky chortle, flat bill flip)". No, instead, in the mid 2nd round, we'll probably go kicker since our kicking group is questionable going into next year- great chance to shore that up with a 2nd round pick.