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The Trump supporters here have been super quiet lately.

ugg. the ones around me wont shut up about how awesome he is and a maverick and bucking the system, blah blah blah.

The fear there is that any criticism of their guy is automatic support for the evil liberal agenda. As if Democrats were unified or capable enough to have anything like that. I hate the two party system. How backwards is it to support a guy like this? He quite possibly colluded with RUSSIA to steal the office of President of the United States! Russia! And that's just one of many things!

you should move

"Bucking the system?" Those people around you are terribly misinformed.

His whole entire cabinet is made of Goldman Sachs guys.

"Drain the swap" he said...

1 million South Koreans could die from Trump miscalculating North Korea, and you would still mutter "but...but Obama."

You're lost.

A. I thought both Donnie and Hillary were terrible candidates and neither up to standards for the Presidency. I did not vote for either.

B. Donnie has done a few things that I agree with (judge appointments mostly) but has been the nightmare on many other topics that I feared.

C. That said, I doubt that I would have agreed with one thing that Hillary would have done in her first 100 days if she had won. So, I guess I am up?

DON'T BLAME ONE OTHER SOUL IN THE WORLD for the actions of NK other than their current leader. Crazy is as crazy does.

It really does not matter who is on the other side of the table from a madman. There is no reasoning with him. There is no appeasement with him. There is no bluster with him. There is no threat with him. Crazy is as crazy does.

If NK goes to war with SK, that is ALL on Kim Jong-Un's head. That dude is a few fries short of a happy meal.

Crazy is as crazy does.

Cheers,

Clueless about reading comprehension, I see

I like how Trump supporters are still stuck on false equivalencies with Hillary and/or deflecting from Trump's actual treason right now with made-up stories (Seth Rich, which GOP outlets should be ashamed of "covering").

Good job, guys. Way to not call treason what it is and find anything else.

Yeah. Clinton would've made a terrible president. Bad campaign, bad candidate. The incompetence and corruption of the Clintons and the Democratic party is largely what allowed Trump to win.

But that is irrelevant. Clinton is irrelevant. What is she even doing? Does anyone care? She's done. It doesn't matter what she would have or wouldn't have done, she lost.

What is relevant is Trump ****ing up everything he touches. Firing Comey to impede the Russia investigation, pressuring him to stop investigating Flynn, pressuring him to be "loyal", constantly lying and contradicting his own staff, giving up classified info to Russian officials AND their state-run media, the FUBAR'd attempt to repeal and replace the ACA, the failed Islamaban, the wall effort that is going nowhere, the ineffective love-taps against ISIS and Syria... I mean this is just off the top of my head in a couple seconds.

If you are a conservative, you should hate that he's screwed up so much and accomplished so little, with strong GOP control of the House and Senate. He's a fake conservative. He lied to you and is using your money and support to make himself and his family richer while his administration incompetently serves some fractured and unclear agenda. And it is probably fractured and unclear because while he is cunning, he is not intelligent. He's a blundering moron. The country can't continue even a single term with him as President. He makes our nation a weak target and is incapable of leading us anywhere but into the ground.

Being President is hard. Being rich and loud and unpredictable isn't the right skillset for it. Acknowledging that and acknowledging the country picked a bad candidate (assuming they even did) doesn't mean you are in danger of becoming a liberal. It's just facing reality.

Exactly. Now isn't the time to double down on the GOP's mistake. Or cast false equivalencies. Or deflect. Or stick your head in the sand.

Now is the time for Conservatives to really reflect and say "wow, we fucked up, our party is dangerously close to devolution into a complete monster ... we'd better work to own up to what's wrong and reclaim our party and its core values from those who hijacked them while we still can".

Something we agree on outside of football. Just cause I despise Hillary doesn't mean I support Trump. I said a lot before the election I hope he wins just to watch liberals implode and declare the rapture is here. Well, that sarcasm had a toll to pay for it. I don't support either party. I fall somewhere between Libertarian and Anarchist.

Obstruction of justice and TREASON are difficult to defend.

This ship is sinking quickly. Trump and his staff (including Pence?!) knew about Flynn being investigated as a foreign paid agent, and they still made him the National Security Advisor. Meaning he'd have access to almost all classified documents and information.

There's a transcript and recording of multiple Republicans talking about how one of them thinks Trump is paid by Putin, and Paul Ryan shushing him.

Fox News has even confirmed the Comey Memo is real.

And former FBI Director Bob Mueller was appointed independent investigator into the Trump admin/Russia ties case. The White House and the Attorney General's office were not consulted or even notified until about 30 minutes before it went public.

I troll all the political pages on Facebook on slow days. It's hilarious seeing both parties melt down.

If your takeaway is that this is hilarious and fun, you are very much part of the problem.

I optimistically think that a Trump administration meltdown will cause a centrist revolution...

I would have thought a year or so ago that Trump meltdown would generally force Americans to find more common ground (Dems realizing why they lost the election and what they've neglected in oversight, Republicans in realizing what the GOP should actually stand for vs what it's devolved into) and take a deeper look at representative government...

But now I actually feel the opposite. I feel like Trump supporters are more doubled-down than ever, and Democrats are more "all Republicans should be exiled" than ever.

I don't even know where to start this post. I am a democrat (even though I hate most of them), have always voted democrat for president. It made me nearly ill to vote for Hillary Clinton. I don't want to exile republicans. If Hillary Clinton had got the nomination instead of Obama, I would have voted for McCain. If Mitch Daniels ran last year I would have voted in the republican primary for the first time ever.

There are not words in the English language that accurately capture my feelings about our government. Wait, the millenial milk toasts might have it when they say, "I... just... cant... even..."

how people can support, and did support, this motherfucker as president is beyond me.

and i didn't want hillary either.

i do believe we need to give an iq test to the public and start weeding out anyone under 100

No, people like you who think you're making a difference by pulling a lever for the two party crime ring. Every 4 years you vote for some son of a bitch who promises to fix what he fucked up the previous 4 years and you cheer for joy. The definition of insanity? Doing the same stupid shit over and over and expecting different results. For a guy who seems intelligent you're pretty fucking stupid.

Well Bye !!! LOL :cool:

If you think the Trump presidency and fuck-ups are remotely comparably to the Obama presidency or Bush presidency or ...

You sound like a guy who likes to sound edgy for the sake of it. Would bet there's no real substance behind what you say. Much like Trump, really.

And you would be as far from the truth as you are about your own personality. I say exactly what is on my mind and I don't care what anyone thinks. I don't need your approval or endorsement. Fucking overly sensitive little twats like you is exactly what is wrong with this country. Trump is a moron, Obama, Bush, Clinton and all the rest for the last century have served their own self interest. I'll let you in on a little secret? They don't give a shit about you, none of them. If voting really worked, they wouldn't let us fucking do it. Damn, sheep are gullible.

U Mad

Why would I be mad? I am not the one dense enough to think they are making a difference voting for some cunt, or some douche who thinks he is something he's not.

I can't wait for the season to start so we can stop this arguing about who sucks. This thread is about politicians while on the main forum we are discussing who gives the best BJs, Dam or his mom.

I've pretty much accepted that this country is doomed. Training camp can't get here soon enough.

Says the guy who can't get over the election loss of his candidate. Is it because you're weak and have zero coping skills? Could it be because you still live in mom's basement while trying to figure out how to get your debt paid for that worthless journalism degree you have to write for blogs?

Wow. What fucking hornets nest did I just jump into?

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I hope all political parties take the task of finding 2020's Presidential nominees a little more seriously.

Donald Trump winning the Presidency was a wake up call for both parties. I think they will both take a different approach in 2020. I'd love to see a solid Libertarian or Independent candidate emerge. Lets just hope that mop head doesn't ruin too much shit before he leaves office.

I hope you're right...but the Dems instead of figuring why they lost, are still throwing a bratty tantrum over losing to Trump.....I'm guessing they will double down on someone even worse than Hillary in 2020...if that is at all possible.

Republicans are proving they are just as bad as the Dems in governing. Libertarians are looking better by the day with these two moronic parties.

I agree both parties are terrible. The problem with Libertarians is that they are, by definition, hard to unify or organize. Once you get past the common ideals about taxation, less government, and fiscal conservatism driving most decisions, you either have a lot of radically different ideas on how to approach social and international issues, and/or you have a weak/nonexistent platform.

No easy fixes here. A viable 3rd party is needed but not easy to form.

I don't see any democrats outside of Hillary Clinton herself whining about losing. The democrats lost because they nominated Hillary Clinton. Lets replace a charismatic and dynamic and intelligent black man with a 70+ creepy, condescending lady with legal baggage.

Most of my friends are liberals, and I don't know of anyone that really WANTS to be in the same room with Hillary Clinton.

Conservative media is the one trumpeting that democrats still want to dispute the election. It's simply not true.

No easy fix but a couple huge steps to improvement

1) term limits - house and senate need limits

2). Campaign finance reform. Have to get lobbyists out of government

This is where an initial influx of Libertarians could help, even if it doesn't last. Unlikely either of these things happen with either party in power, or even with the two parties sharing it.