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CletusPyle 01-15-2023 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 258054)
Before I traded future draft capitol I would take a stud pass rusher, grab Stetson Bennet in the 2nd. round. Yea he is 25, but that is still 12-13 years of good football for todays QB's as they are protected like national treasures. He has won two national titles and can make every throw. He is just as likely to be a good QB as any of the top 4 in the draft. When everything has bust potential written all over it, I would rather it be a 2nd. round bust. He will be there with our first pick in the 2nd.

You may even be able to get him in the 3rd....the guy is a winner and may end up being a lot better than the "experts" say!

JAFF 01-15-2023 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 258056)
You may even be able to get him in the 3rd....the guy is a winner and may end up being a lot better than the "experts" say!

Russell Wilson, as an example

Dam8610 01-15-2023 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 258060)
Russell Wilson, as an example

Russell Wilson is NOT in any way, shape, or form a good comparison to Stetson Bennett, primarily because Bennett will be 26 in his rookie year. The stigma on being 6'0"+ for QBs still existed in 2012 which is why Wilson didn't get drafted until Round 3. Jake Fromm is a much better comparison for Stetson Bennett.

omahacolt 01-15-2023 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 258048)
Pittman wants to leave. I read that days ago, but I don't recall where.

i have not seen that anywhere


that would surprise me

omahacolt 01-15-2023 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 258054)
Before I traded future draft capitol I would take a stud pass rusher, grab Stetson Bennet in the 2nd. round. Yea he is 25, but that is still 12-13 years of good football for todays QB's as they are protected like national treasures. He has won two national titles and can make every throw. He is just as likely to be a good QB as any of the top 4 in the draft. When everything has bust potential written all over it, I would rather it be a 2nd. round bust. He will be there with our first pick in the 2nd.

gross


no way do i want that

omahacolt 01-15-2023 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 258056)
You may even be able to get him in the 3rd....the guy is a winner and may end up being a lot better than the "experts" say!

qb winz



yay

JAFF 01-15-2023 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 258077)
Russell Wilson is NOT in any way, shape, or form a good comparison to Stetson Bennett, primarily because Bennett will be 26 in his rookie year. The stigma on being 6'0"+ for QBs still existed in 2012 which is why Wilson didn't get drafted until Round 3. Jake Fromm is a much better comparison for Stetson Bennett.

He is short, has great feet, has an accurate arm. He does well with roll out pass plays to get vision. Older, smarter than most rookies. Nah,nothing like Wilson. BTW Wilson was 23 when drafted.

YDFL Commish 01-15-2023 06:06 PM

Freaks, I just do not want a short QB. No way now how. Have you seen the deep drops that Russell Wilson has to take to see the field? It worked with Brees because NO always invested heavily in G C G so that he could see the field without deep drops all the time.

If Bennett and Young even somehow grow to 6' I will be extremely surprised.

I do not want to design an offense around the limitations of our QB.

JAFF 01-15-2023 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 258091)
Freaks, I just do not want a short QB. No way now how. Have you seen the deep drops that Russell Wilson has to take to see the field? It worked with Brees because NO always invested heavily in G C G so that he could see the field without deep drops all the time.

If Bennett and Young even somehow grow to 6' I will be extremely surprised.

I do not want to design an offense around the limitations of our QB.

Brees had 172 wins in his career.

Wilson has 107

If ybou dont want a guy who wins games wtf do you want?

Brylok 01-15-2023 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 258081)
i have not seen that anywhere


that would surprise me

It was something from one of his entourage if I remember. Reddit, linked twitter or something else. I wouldn't blame him. He's a good 2 with potential we can't reach without a QB and coaching

Dam8610 01-15-2023 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 258088)
He is short, has great feet, has an accurate arm. He does well with roll out pass plays to get vision. Older, smarter than most rookies. Nah,nothing like Wilson. BTW Wilson was 23 when drafted.

Those three years are a massive difference when talking about a rookie QB.

JAFF 01-15-2023 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 258106)
Those three years are a massive difference when talking about a rookie QB.

More experience, not a bad thing.

CletusPyle 01-15-2023 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 258117)
More experience, not a bad thing.

Fran Tarkington and Joe Thiesmann were both 6 foot (allegedly)....Somebody will take him for sure, and I think he may do very well! I don't think we will, but if we decide to draft for another position with our #1, I say pick him!

Dam8610 01-16-2023 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 258117)
More experience, not a bad thing.

Russell Wilson had more starting experience coming out of college.

apballin 01-16-2023 12:59 AM

Ballard doesn’t draft short guys.

Polian was able to draft whoever he wanted because he had Peyton Manning

IndyNorm 01-16-2023 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ChoppedWood (Post 257974)
Let me be Ballard for a minute:

Matt Pryor is going to be our WR1 in 2023

This is of course said in a raspy somewhat southern drawl with a nice concentration of sarcasm intended to serve notice to his haters that he had a plan all along- you / we, we were just too stupid to not see his genius until it all unfolded.

My turn to play Ballard.

Don't be fucking ridiculous. Pryor will remain as our backup swing linemen and compete with Raimann for the starting LT position. He's just so versatile and has such great traits. Sure he didn't successfully block a single defender this entire season, but we're positive he'll get back to his old form where he played ok in 1 start at LT in '21.

As for the WR room, we really like what we have. Sure none of them outside of MPJ have produced much at this level, but they all have such great traits! If we end up trading MPJ then no doubt Pierce will easily transition to our WR1 and we're expecting him to triple his production.

Now that he's healthy Paris Campbell showed how good of a WR he can be. We'll definitely be re-signing and fully relying on him next year, b/c despite the fact that he got hurt every single time he stepped on the field his first 3 years in the league he proved last year that he's not injury prone and will never, ever get hurt again.

As for the rest of the group. I'm just going to assume that someone else is going to make the big leap from being a STer or healthy scratch to a full time WR3 without any problem. This has happened so many times for us in the past, how could it not happen again?

Also, let's not forget about the draft. I fully plan on using at least 1 if not 2 late round draft picks on a WR or 2 who didn't really produce much in college but have outstanding traits. I know this has yet to produce a WR who has really produced much on the field, but trust me it'll work this year.

Oh and BTW: since I'm having to spend so much time once again on the WR room the OL is still going to suck. Hope you media types are happy.

IndyNorm 01-16-2023 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 258135)
Ballard doesn’t draft short guys.

Polian was able to draft whoever he wanted because he had Peyton Manning

I think it was more that Polian (and Tobin) knew that there was more to being a good football player than height, arm span, and 40 times. And good thing they did b/c there were a lot of great players they drafted or signed as FAs/UDFAs that Ballard probably wouldn't have even considered such as:

Marvin Harrison - Too short
Jeff Saturday - Arms too short
Reggie Wayne - Probably too short, too slow of a 40 time
Dwight Freeney - Too short
Robert Mathis - Too short
Bob Sanders - Too short
Gary Brackett - Too short

Chromeburn 01-16-2023 11:33 AM

I think the pick is Levis with the backup being Richardson. They might not be as ready now but in two years they could be as advanced as young with more survivable size. I would be afraid to draft Young after watching Tua this year. You get hit in this league and you get hurt, it’s inevitable. Looks like Stroud is staying unless he announces at the 11th hour.

ChoppedWood 01-16-2023 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 258144)
My turn to play Ballard.

Don't be fucking ridiculous. Pryor will remain as our backup swing linemen and compete with Raimann for the starting LT position. He's just so versatile and has such great traits. Sure he didn't successfully block a single defender this entire season, but we're positive he'll get back to his old form where he played ok in 1 start at LT in '21.

As for the WR room, we really like what we have. Sure none of them outside of MPJ have produced much at this level, but they all have such great traits! If we end up trading MPJ then no doubt Pierce will easily transition to our WR1 and we're expecting him to triple his production.

Now that he's healthy Paris Campbell showed how good of a WR he can be. We'll definitely be re-signing and fully relying on him next year, b/c despite the fact that he got hurt every single time he stepped on the field his first 3 years in the league he proved last year that he's not injury prone and will never, ever get hurt again.

As for the rest of the group. I'm just going to assume that someone else is going to make the big leap from being a STer or healthy scratch to a full time WR3 without any problem. This has happened so many times for us in the past, how could it not happen again?

Also, let's not forget about the draft. I fully plan on using at least 1 if not 2 late round draft picks on a WR or 2 who didn't really produce much in college but have outstanding traits. I know this has yet to produce a WR who has really produced much on the field, but trust me it'll work this year.

Oh and BTW: since I'm having to spend so much time once again on the WR room the OL is still going to suck. Hope you media types are happy.

Exactly!

ChoppedWood 01-16-2023 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 258146)
I think it was more that Polian (and Tobin) knew that there was more to being a good football player than height, arm span, and 40 times. And good thing they did b/c there were a lot of great players they drafted or signed as FAs/UDFAs that Ballard probably wouldn't have even considered such as:

Marvin Harrison - Too short
Jeff Saturday - Arms too short
Reggie Wayne - Probably too short, too slow of a 40 time
Dwight Freeney - Too short
Robert Mathis - Too short
Bob Sanders - Too short
Gary Brackett - Too short

And yet, a sizable portion of this board, for some reason, despite 6 years of fucking evidence, believes this guy is good and needs to be here for us to achieve success.

He sucks!

Colts And Orioles 01-16-2023 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 258122)



Fran Tarkenton and Joe Theismann were both 6 foot (allegedly) ...... somebody will take him for sure, and I think he may do very well !!! I don't think that we will, but if we decide to draft for another position with our #1, I say that we ought to pick him !!!




o


Tarkenton and Theismann are both unrestricted free agents ...... I wouldn't mind seeing either one of them play QB for the Colts next season.

o

IndyNorm 01-16-2023 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ChoppedWood (Post 258154)
And yet, a sizable portion of this board, for some reason, despite 6 years of fucking evidence, believes this guy is good and needs to be here for us to achieve success.

He sucks!

Not only do they think he's good, they link he's one of the top GMs in the league.

To be fair I don't think he outright sucks. He does mostly draft well, but his roster building philosophy sucks. He relies way too much on current players or draft picks seamlessly stepping in and producing well (even at super critical positions), and what's worse is that he never hedges these decisions. Also, he prioritizes physical traits over production on the field too much.

Coltsalr 01-16-2023 12:27 PM

https://twitter.com/cj7stroud/status...iqXlQRMiCWGdKg

Dammy gets his wish and Stroud heads to the Draft.

CletusPyle 01-16-2023 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 258155)
o


Tarkenton and Theismann are both unrestricted free agents ...... I wouldn't mind seeing either one of them play QB for the Colts next season.

o

But can they get an off campus pass from their nursing homes on Sundays?

IndyNorm 01-16-2023 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 258163)
https://twitter.com/cj7stroud/status...iqXlQRMiCWGdKg

Dammy gets his wish and Stroud heads to the Draft.

Good. If nothing else that improves the chances of us getting a QB we like at 4 and also probably lowers the price on trading up to get one if needed.

IndyNorm 01-16-2023 01:18 PM

Hey Dam. I'm curious. What would you rather have the Colts do: trade up for Stroud or go back in time to 2021 and trade up for Mac Jones?

ChaosTheory 01-16-2023 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 258163)
https://twitter.com/cj7stroud/status...iqXlQRMiCWGdKg

Dammy gets his wish and Stroud heads to the Draft.

Honestly didn't expect it. I was reading rumors of $12m NIL.

This is good for the Colts. Whether they end up drafting him or not... more QB choices is better. I suppose it helps in the bidding war department as well when teams start trying to move places.

Lov2fish 01-16-2023 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 258173)
Hey Dam. I'm curious. What would you rather have the Colts do: trade up for Stroud or go back in time to 2021 and trade up for Mac Jones?

Go back through this board and pick up everyone he was sure was "The Man" and he would hit about 20% of his picks

Dam8610 01-16-2023 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 258173)
Hey Dam. I'm curious. What would you rather have the Colts do: trade up for Stroud or go back in time to 2021 and trade up for Mac Jones?

That's a tough one. I'd grade Stroud better than Jones, but I feel like it would have been much cheaper to go up for Jones, like no future 1s involved in getting to 14 that year. Obviously Belicheat has done no favors for Jones's development, but I feel like the Colts offense would've been a better fit for him. I'd probably ultimately go with Stroud because he's the better talent of the two. He will cost more but in the long run it won't be noticeable.

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 258181)
Go back through this board and pick up everyone he was sure was "The Man" and he would hit about 20% of his picks

I don't do Dane Brugler style rankings, and I don't post my opinions on every available player, so this would be nearly impossible to do. I would place your 20% estimate as low, however. I'm actually interested in tracking this if anyone has a way to do it. Maybe an instant redraft of who I would've drafted instead? Still hard to do, because we can never know what trades would be available, so it would be hard to argue taking Tremaine Edmunds and Derwin James instead of Quenton Nelson, for example, because we don't KNOW the Bills would have traded 12 and 22 for 6 that year.

JAFF 01-16-2023 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 258163)
https://twitter.com/cj7stroud/status...iqXlQRMiCWGdKg

Dammy gets his wish and Stroud heads to the Draft.

The next OSU Qb failure.

IndyNorm 01-16-2023 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 258192)
That's a tough one. I'd grade Stroud better than Jones, but I feel like it would have been much cheaper to go up for Jones, like no future 1s involved in getting to 14 that year. Obviously Belicheat has done no favors for Jones's development, but I feel like the Colts offense would've been a better fit for him. I'd probably ultimately go with Stroud because he's the better talent of the two. He will cost more but in the long run it won't be noticeable.

Thanks and nice response. I'm on the fence on Stroud, but FWIW I think we'd be in a hell of a lot better shape if we had traded up for Jones instead of traded for Wentz.

CletusPyle 01-16-2023 08:14 PM

I still think Levis is the best pro prospect!

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/video/...in-ryans-mock/

Lov2fish 01-16-2023 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 258219)
I still think Levis is the best pro prospect!

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/video/...in-ryans-mock/

A little more Levis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKxMSijJ-Do

Dam8610 01-16-2023 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 258217)
Thanks and nice response. I'm on the fence on Stroud, but FWIW I think we'd be in a hell of a lot later shape if we had traded up for Jones instead of traded for Wentz.

I think you meant better instead of later, and I would agree with that assessment. I also think Jones's best abilities align well with the skillsets of the Colts receiving corps. Pittman and Pierce are both really good at catching a well thrown fade

IndyNorm 01-16-2023 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 258225)
I think you meant better instead of later, and I would agree with that assessment. I also think Jones's best abilities align well with the skillsets of the Colts receiving corps. Pittman and Pierce are both really good at catching a well thrown fade

I did lol, and I was on my laptop so I can't even blame it on auto-correct :eek:

CletusPyle 01-16-2023 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 258222)

I think this is a fair assessment, the turnovers worry me a little, but he has the tools, I would be willing to bet he can overcome it! I disagree he will be a #10 pick, in fact if the Colts don't trade up I think Houston will take him!

Lov2fish 01-16-2023 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 258231)
I think this is a fair assessment, the turnovers worry me a little, but he has the tools, I would be willing to bet he can overcome it! I disagree he will be a #10 pick, in fact if the Colts don't trade up I think Houston will take him!

Of the top 4 QB's in this draft he is my pick. His mechanics can be fixed faster than a small fragile QB who will get broken, or one who has issues in the 8" between the ears. Don't need a 2-3 year project. I still think Richardson is the most gifted athlete of any of them, but man he just screams bust. If we draft him of course I hope I am wrong, if someone else does, well, you know. lol

ChoppedWood 01-16-2023 11:27 PM

Increasing noise, including Lamar's tweet this morning, that he is out of Baltimore.

Worth the trade?

CletusPyle 01-16-2023 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ChoppedWood (Post 258236)
Increasing noise, including Lamar's tweet this morning, that he is out of Baltimore.

Worth the trade?

Lamar is a great player, but I can't see him as a Colt, not sure how successful he would be here. I wonder if Brady will go to Vegas to play for McDumbass? Maybe that is why they are wanting to move Derek Carr?

Dam8610 01-17-2023 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 258231)
I think this is a fair assessment, the turnovers worry me a little, but he has the tools, I would be willing to bet he can overcome it! I disagree he will be a #10 pick, in fact if the Colts don't trade up I think Houston will take him!

We can only hope to be so lucky that the ghost of Jack Easterby will rise up and make them do something so colossally stupid as to draft Will Levis when one of CJ Stroud and Bryce Young is on the board available to them. That would almost be as good as the Jaguars botching the Lawrence pick.

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Originally Posted by ChoppedWood (Post 258236)
Increasing noise, including Lamar's tweet this morning, that he is out of Baltimore.

Worth the trade?

As long as there's a franchise tag, he doesn't exactly get to make that decision.

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 258237)
Lamar is a great player, but I can't see him as a Colt, not sure how successful he would be here.

I think the Colts are probably the best equipped team outside of Baltimore in the NFL to implement the style of offense that he's been successful in.


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