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Racehorse 11-28-2018 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 94704)
I'm undecided on Bell. I don't necessarily see it as him leaving his team hanging. He didn't sign a contract and then hold out. He didn't want to sign Pittsburgh's contract offer, so he didn't. He was a top 3 RB for several seasons, and by all accounts he was a good locker room guy before all this. My problem with him would be the money and the potential for suspensions.

I also don't want this to seem like I am killing Ballard unnecessarily. I like Ballard. He's done some very good things. And I think he's been pretty humble, he's admitted mistakes and said he wants to learn from them. I don't have a big problem with Ballard. I just see some people (and it is possible I am conflating opinions I read here with things said elsewhere) wanting to encompass all outcomes and say "See, it was all according to Ballard's plan, what a genius, anyone that doubts is not a true fan, blah blah blah."

I'm not into hero worship. It's absurd. I hated it when Polian was here. I don't want that nonsense again.

So, how do you feel about the hero worship of, say, a Mike Doss? :D

Luck4Reich 11-28-2018 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 94737)
So, how do you feel about the hero worship of, say, a Mike Doss? :D

If we had Mike Doss You might as well go ahead and hand the Colts Superbowl rings. Just ask Marcus Pollard, he would agree.:D

Chaka 11-28-2018 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 94686)
Check out the prediction thread. People thought this team would be 7-10 win range. Exactly where we will end up. So no, this isn’t surprising to anyone. And let’s stop pretending this is a great roster. It isn’t. Look at the teams we are playing. They aren’t that good..

Oh, ok, so “people” thought this. I just looked at the thread, and here’s a list of the predictions made:

Hoopsdoc - between 4 and 9 wins
JesusChrist – 4-6 wins
Dr. Spaceman – 8 wins
Colts and Orioles – 11 wins
Sherck – 9 wins
Indystu2 – 6 wins
Dewey 5 – 3-5 wins
FatDT – 7 wins

Averaging barely over 7 wins, even including C&O’s 11-win prediction which was ridiculed by several at the time. No prediction by you in that thread, of course, though I did come across this little nugget you wrote at about the same time – “in the 2nd year of being the gm, this team has very little talent. it doesn't look good for ballard right now.”

I’m sure I can find lots more if I look, because you’ve very pessimistic about the Colts under Ballard – a far cry from your suggestion now that you knew all along that we’d perform this well.

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 94686)
Polian has issues at the dt spot year after year he couldn’t fix through the draft. He signed his own free agents to hefty deals. He couldn’t draft well enough to put together complete teams.

Not a complete team? No team is perfect, but the Colts won 14 in a row in 2009 and were typically one of the top seeds going into the playoffs during the Manning years. And comparing the current approach to Polian’s approach is ludicrous – Polian signed tons of free agents. Even at DT, off the top of my head he signed/traded for Booger McFarland and Corey Simon. Simon, if I’m not mistaken, had even been designated as a franchise or transitional free agent. Not to mention the fact that it appears we are currently drafting well.

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 94686)
You go all in to win. That doesn’t mean you can’t also plan for the future. I am not calling for a max spend every year. Guys like Mitchell and Inman are a perfect example of guys I am talking about. They vastly improved our depth at least. Both should be starters. They aren’t impeding anyone’s progress.

Nobody cares what you are “calling for” - particularly since you believe Ballard has so much more info than you and therefore can make more informed decisions. And as to Mitchell and Inman, we signed them so what are you complaining about? You should be singing the Colts praises.

Chaka 11-28-2018 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 94724)
If he doesn't make the right moves next year, will Ballard have wasted "years" of Luck?

Don't bother arguing with this guy. We're on the cusp of a playoff berth, riding a five game win streak, but yet we're wasting Luck. Ok, whatever.

Chaka 11-28-2018 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 94723)
Grant and Rogers aren’t better than Inman. And Mitchell might be the best safety on our roster.

People are paid well to know this. The point is, there were better players on the street that we could have added to make this team better. And they weren’t that pricey.

But wait, doesn't Ballard know more than you? He has more info that you, remember, so how do you suddenly feel qualified to question his decision making?

Luck4Reich 11-28-2018 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaka (Post 94751)
But wait, doesn't Ballard know more than you? He has more info that you, remember, so how do you suddenly feel qualified to question his decision making?

This same point was argued about Grigson in his first 2 years.

I guess it's wrong to question a guy until hindsight is 20/20.

omahacolt 11-28-2018 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaka (Post 94751)
But wait, doesn't Ballard know more than you? He has more info that you, remember, so how do you suddenly feel qualified to question his decision making?

Because it is a football message board. I come here to express opinions and read others. I have never pretended to know more than Ballard. Pagano maybe but that isn’t saying much.

Just because Ballard knows more doesn’t mean he is right. The dude will not be 100% on his decisions. No idea why you think everyone should be a cheerleader and suck his nuts like dam does his dad.

omahacolt 11-28-2018 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 94737)
So, how do you feel about the hero worship of, say, a Mike Doss? :D

Mike Doss was a true football champion. Won at every level. Absolute champ

omahacolt 11-28-2018 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 94735)
And I still say it doesn't matter. Inman's and Mitchell's aren't making the Colts a Super Bowl contender this year.

Honestly, what is the goal you're working against with all of these critiques?

I am just arguing wherever we end up this year, we could be better and that is a shame to me. Ballard had some great hits, I fear he will continue sitting on cash for years and we will be on the outside of a championship for that reason.

Luck4Reich 11-28-2018 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 94757)
I am just arguing wherever we end up this year, we could be better and that is a shame to me. Ballard had some great hits, I fear he will continue sitting on cash for years and we will be on the outside of a championship for that reason.

See, they dont think it's ok to have an opinion. You just have to drink the koolaid no matter what

Hell I hope he proves me dead wrong.I just agree that it doesn't make sense to sit on that Cash.Meanwhile teams like the Pats,Saints and Steelers realize they just need to keep reloading with their franchise QBs.

omahacolt 11-28-2018 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaka (Post 94742)
Oh, ok, so “people” thought this. I just looked at the thread, and here’s a list of the predictions made:

Hoopsdoc - between 4 and 9 wins
JesusChrist – 4-6 wins
Dr. Spaceman – 8 wins
Colts and Orioles – 11 wins
Sherck – 9 wins
Indystu2 – 6 wins
Dewey 5 – 3-5 wins
FatDT – 7 wins

Averaging barely over 7 wins, even including C&O’s 11-win prediction which was ridiculed by several at the time. No prediction by you in that thread, of course, though I did come across this little nugget you wrote at about the same time – “in the 2nd year of being the gm, this team has very little talent. it doesn't look good for ballard right now.”

I’m sure I can find lots more if I look, because you’ve very pessimistic about the Colts under Ballard – a far cry from your suggestion now that you knew all along that we’d perform this well.



Not a complete team? No team is perfect, but the Colts won 14 in a row in 2009 and were typically one of the top seeds going into the playoffs during the Manning years. And comparing the current approach to Polian’s approach is ludicrous – Polian signed tons of free agents. Even at DT, off the top of my head he signed/traded for Booger McFarland and Corey Simon. Simon, if I’m not mistaken, had even been designated as a franchise or transitional free agent. Not to mention the fact that it appears we are currently drafting well.



Nobody cares what you are “calling for” - particularly since you believe Ballard has so much more info than you and therefore can make more informed decisions. And as to Mitchell and Inman, we signed them so what are you complaining about? You should be singing the Colts praises.

We are one game over 500. The way you post it sounds like we are undefeated and not playing some bad football at times. I am pretty sure I predicted that if luck is healthy we would be at 7 to 9 wins. I never bought into this division being good. And this team does lack talent. Our all world QB is masking some talent deficiencies

Polian signed tons of free agents? The fuck he did

I am giving him props for Mitchell and Inman. Should have had them earlier. With some other dudes

omahacolt 11-28-2018 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuck4Chuck (Post 94758)
See, they dont think it's ok to have an opinion. You just have to drink the koolaid no matter what

Hell I hope he proves me dead wrong.I just agree that it doesn't make sense to sit on that Cash.Meanwhile teams like the Pats,Saints and Steelers realize they just need to keep reloading with their franchise QBs.

And spending the cash doesn’t mean you don’t get to draft young guys. You can do both

Luck4Reich 11-28-2018 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 94759)
We are one game over 500. The way you post it sounds like we are undefeated and not playing some bad football at times. I am pretty sure I predicted that if luck is healthy we would be at 7 to 9 wins. I never bought into this division being good. And this team does lack talent. Our all world QB is masking some talent deficiencies

Polian signed tons of free agents? The fuck he did

I am giving him props for Mitchell and Inman. Should have had them earlier. With some other dudes

1 game over .500 playing one of the easiest schedules in the NFL. Have the Colts beat one team that will make the playoffs?

southside asshole 11-28-2018 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuck4Chuck (Post 94754)
This same point was argued about Grigson in his first 2 years.

I guess it's wrong to question a guy until hindsight is 20/20.

Don't think I'm coming at you with this - it was just your comment that inspired me to post one.

An opinion on Ballard doesn't have to be binary. It's not either all good or all bad. I would remind people that just about everyone else's opinion on this is probably as nuanced as their own.

When people criticize Ballard for something specific, they're not saying he's a failure of a GM and in over is head.

When people defend Ballard's decisions, they're not saying he's an infallible genius with a magic binder.

Everybody on this board (fuck, everybody everywhere) always assumes that if someone disagrees with you on one little point, that their entire perspective is clear 100% over on the other side of whatever it is. That's almost never true.

My own opinion of Ballard is that, while he's basically a rookie GM and is still prone to certain mistakes, overall I respect and agree with what appears to be his philosophy: play the long game, build your team through the draft and supplement the roster with low-risk free agents that are either solid vets or have a good ratio of upside relative to their cost.

Moreover, he appears to also have a good, collaborative relationship with Reich on which players fit the schemes and doesn't seem to try to interfere with the depth chart. Basically an anti-Grigson. This is all good.

My primary criticism of him at this point, aside from a few totally predictable and also practically inevitable draft misses, is that he appears to be a bit of a cap hoarder. Whether it's because he's being protective of the locker room atmosphere and team culture, or if he's adamant about having the cap space to resign talent, or he's just so risk-averse that he's afraid to spend any money and repeat a T-Rich situation remains to be seen.

Oldcolt 11-28-2018 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by southside asshole (Post 94770)
Don't think I'm coming at you with this - it was just your comment that inspired me to post one.

An opinion on Ballard doesn't have to be binary. It's not either all good or all bad. I would remind people that just about everyone else's opinion on this is probably as nuanced as their own.

When people criticize Ballard for something specific, they're not saying he's a failure of a GM and in over is head.

When people defend Ballard's decisions, they're not saying he's an infallible genius with a magic binder.

Everybody on this board (fuck, everybody everywhere) always assumes that if someone disagrees with you on one little point, that their entire perspective is clear 100% over on the other side of whatever it is. That's almost never true.

My own opinion of Ballard is that, while he's basically a rookie GM and is still prone to certain mistakes, overall I respect and agree with what appears to be his philosophy: play the long game, build your team through the draft and supplement the roster with low-risk free agents that are either solid vets or have a good ratio of upside relative to their cost.

Moreover, he appears to also have a good, collaborative relationship with Reich on which players fit the schemes and doesn't seem to try to interfere with the depth chart. Basically an anti-Grigson. This is all good.

My primary criticism of him at this point, aside from a few totally predictable and also practically inevitable draft misses, is that he appears to be a bit of a cap hoarder. Whether it's because he's being protective of the locker room atmosphere and team culture, or if he's adamant about having the cap space to resign talent, or he's just so risk-averse that he's afraid to spend any money and repeat a T-Rich situation remains to be seen.

Great post. Hopefully he is hoarding all that cap space for a reason other than saving money (and that does not seem to be something Irsay is concerned about).

rcubed 11-28-2018 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 94696)
Where did you find that stat?


Walk Worthy,

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Originally Posted by falloutboy14 (Post 94698)


yes thats it. that pic was from a twitter account that I saw on B/R

Pez 11-28-2018 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuck4Chuck (Post 94769)
1 game over .500 playing one of the easiest schedules in the NFL. Have the Colts beat one team that will make the playoffs?

The Redskins *might* make it

Oldcolt 11-28-2018 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuck4Chuck (Post 94769)
1 game over .500 playing one of the easiest schedules in the NFL. Have the Colts beat one team that will make the playoffs?

They beat themselves a couple of times

Colt Classic 11-28-2018 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaka (Post 94669)
And by the way, this is a cop out

I provided named examples but was ignored, unless Veve is your personal assistant. So the point of even complying with the whole exercise was?

Oldcolt 11-28-2018 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Colt Classic (Post 94806)
I provided named examples but was ignored, unless Veve is your personal assistant. So the point of even complying with the whole exercise was?

Indeed you did. And I think you are correct. If we had signed wide receivers who did not have the dropsies we would have a better record. Brown/White seem like they would have been better than who we got. I'll ding Ballard for that. But it is a small ding as I am not sure anyone would have guessed that those guys would have dropped so many passes. On that subject does anyone have any idea why they seemed to have stopped doing that? Seems like since Inman got here its really improved

FatDT 11-28-2018 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 94809)
On that subject does anyone have any idea why they seemed to have stopped doing that? Seems like since Inman got here its really improved

Doyle came back, and all the WRs after Hilton got pushed down the depth chart by Inman. And I'm sure they worked on it in practice.

Chaka 11-29-2018 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuck4Chuck (Post 94754)
This same point was argued about Grigson in his first 2 years.

I guess it's wrong to question a guy until hindsight is 20/20.

Not sure what you mean here. You’ve got to read my post in context. I was making the point, and perhaps not as clearly as I could have, that Omaha was being hypocritical. When I earlier challenged him to set forth how he would have done things differently than Ballard, he refused and said it wasn’t his job and he didn’t have access to the same info that Ballard does. Yet only a few posts later, he’s back to railing against Ballard’s decisions.

He can’t have it both ways - if he’s going to fall back on the “Ballard’s got more info than me so you can’t expect me to have better ideas” defense, then in my mind you have to live with that position and it’s pretty hypocritical to then start questioning Ballard’s decisions a few posts later.

Chaka 11-29-2018 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 94755)
Because it is a football message board. I come here to express opinions and read others. I have never pretended to know more than Ballard. Pagano maybe but that isn’t saying much.

Just because Ballard knows more doesn’t mean he is right. The dude will not be 100% on his decisions. No idea why you think everyone should be a cheerleader and suck his nuts like dam does his dad.

You are a funny guy, I’ll give you that. Nobody said that Ballard is infallible, and just because I take a position different than yours doesn’t mean I endorse everything he does. However, I do like his management style, and I’ve been pretty consistent from the beginning about that. That doesn’t mean, as RM1369 and others seems to think, that I advocated that we avoid signing any big name free agents this last offseason. I didn’t. Indeed, as FatDT correctly pointed out, Ballard himself didn’t have this mindset, and he actually tried to sign a few last off season.

Nevertheless, while Ballard’s plan might not have been to completely avoid free agency, his philosophy (or at least how I interpret it) makes it unlikely that we will ever – except in perhaps very rare instances – be seriously in the running for the top free agents. I just think there will almost always be another team willing to pay more than Ballard will. The truth is that most top-end free agents are vastly overpaid for what they produce. Ballard’s value-oriented approach will lead us to signing a lot of mid-level free agents like Ebron, Grant, etc. He’s betting on himself to be able to draft star players and to find diamonds in the rough in free agency.

Right now, all of this means there’s a lot of cap space because there’s nobody to spend it on. But if Ballard’s good at the talent evaluation part of his job, it won’t be long before we’ll be spending lots of money keeping our own players from hitting free agency. Either way, the cap money will be spent – it’s only a question of when and on whom.

Pez 11-29-2018 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuck4Chuck (Post 94754)
This same point was argued about Grigson in his first 2 years.

I guess it's wrong to question a guy until hindsight is 20/20.

I dont really agree 100% with your second point, but it made me think about my thoughts on Grigson. Grigson got a lot of benefit of the doubt in his first two years. The start of the Luck era, he drafted Hilton, Pags stepped aside for a season to beat cancer, and we made the playoffs under Arians.

Even the media thought the Richardson trade was a good idea. It's easy to put blinders on when you make the playoffs three consecutive years, advancing further each year. The 2014 colts had about as much business being in the AFC championship as the 1995 colts did.

The check engine light was on, and a good deal of fans put black tape over it.

The wheels didn't really fall off all the way until the 45-7 deflategate game when it became clear that he'd really decimated the roster. 8-8, 8-8 (luck injury), then 4-12...

omahacolt 11-29-2018 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaka (Post 94979)
Not sure what you mean here. You’ve got to read my post in context. I was making the point, and perhaps not as clearly as I could have, that Omaha was being hypocritical. When I earlier challenged him to set forth how he would have done things differently than Ballard, he refused and said it wasn’t his job and he didn’t have access to the same info that Ballard does. Yet only a few posts later, he’s back to railing against Ballard’s decisions.

He can’t have it both ways - if he’s going to fall back on the “Ballard’s got more info than me so you can’t expect me to have better ideas” defense, then in my mind you have to live with that position and it’s pretty hypocritical to then start questioning Ballard’s decisions a few posts later.

Sure I can have it both ways. I can also use hindsight like a motherfucker. And I have no problem being hypocritical

Chaka 11-29-2018 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 95006)
Sure I can have it both ways. I can also use hindsight like a motherfucker. And I have no problem being hypocritical

Well at least we agree on something then.

Luck4Reich 11-29-2018 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaka (Post 94988)
You are a funny guy, I’ll give you that. Nobody said that Ballard is infallible, and just because I take a position different than yours doesn’t mean I endorse everything he does. However, I do like his management style, and I’ve been pretty consistent from the beginning about that. That doesn’t mean, as RM1369 and others seems to think, that I advocated that we avoid signing any big name free agents this last offseason. I didn’t. Indeed, as FatDT correctly pointed out, Ballard himself didn’t have this mindset, and he actually tried to sign a few last off season.

Nevertheless, while Ballard’s plan might not have been to completely avoid free agency, his philosophy (or at least how I interpret it) makes it unlikely that we will ever – except in perhaps very rare instances – be seriously in the running for the top free agents. I just think there will almost always be another team willing to pay more than Ballard will. The truth is that most top-end free agents are vastly overpaid for what they produce. Ballard’s value-oriented approach will lead us to signing a lot of mid-level free agents like Ebron, Grant, etc. He’s betting on himself to be able to draft star players and to find diamonds in the rough in free agency.

Right now, all of this means there’s a lot of cap space because there’s nobody to spend it on. But if Ballard’s good at the talent evaluation part of his job, it won’t be long before we’ll be spending lots of money keeping our own players from hitting free agency. Either way, the cap money will be spent – it’s only a question of when and on whom.

That's why I like Omaha, he doesn't give a shit like me. He pretty much says what comes to mind and doesn't stress over who doesn't agree.

If we all agreed on everything here it would really suck more sick than Tom Brady and maybe even more than Dam. Stop getting your panties in a bunch because we haven't chose to fall before Ballards feet and claim him as the Amazing GM you do.

Dam8610 11-29-2018 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuck4Chuck (Post 95045)
That's why I like Omaha, he doesn't give a shit like me. He pretty much says what comes to mind and doesn't stress over who doesn't agree.

If we all agreed on everything here it would really suck more sick than Tom Brady and maybe even more than Dam. Stop getting your panties in a bunch because we haven't chose to fall before Ballards feet and claim him as the Amazing GM you do.

Nothing screams insecurity like projecting onto others.

Luck4Reich 11-29-2018 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 95060)
Nothing screams insecurity like projecting onto others.

I apologize Dam, my insecurities got the best of me.

JAFF 11-30-2018 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 95006)
Sure I can have it both ways. I can also use hindsight like a motherfucker. And I have no problem being hypocritical

Finally I understand. You are a five year old.

YDFL Commish 11-30-2018 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 95006)
Sure I can have it both ways. I can also use hindsight like a motherfucker. And I have no problem being hypocritical

Actually it sounds like you have become Donald Trump.

omahacolt 11-30-2018 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 95221)
Actually it sounds like you have become Donald Trump.

That is cold brother

JAFF 11-30-2018 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 95221)
Actually it sounds like you have become Donald Trump.


Exactly, a five year old


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