After hearing the media slobber all over Jaxson Dart and hearing and reading some of the comments from the Giants fans I have to believe that nobody is more motivated to prove all the critics wrong than Daniel Jones....and I would love to see him show these experts that he was not the main problem the Giants had the past few years.

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I really want this to happen.







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From 1971 through 1977, Plunkett's numbers with the Patriots and the 49ers were.


84 lllll. TD

117 lll. INT

49.3 ll, COMP %



From 1980 through 1981, Plunkett's numbers with the Oakland Raiders were.


22 llll.. TD

25 lll... INT

51.9 ll, COMP %



From 1982 through 1986, Plunkett's numbers with the Los Angeles Raiders were.


57 llll.. TD

55 lll... INT

58.2 ll, COMP %

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Granted that Plunkett had one of the best offensive lines in the history of professional football protecting him in his first 3 seasons with the Raiders from 1980 through 1982 ...... plus, the teams that he was playing for with the Raiders from 1980 through 1986 were much better than were the teams that he played for in New England and San Francisco from 1971 through 1977 ...... but I can dream, can't I ???

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Comparing Jones to Plunkett it a huge reach (and an insult to Plunkett). Plunkett was an accomplished QB in college, won the damn Heisman. Jones has accomplished zilch in his career. For him to turn into Plunkett would be a miracle. Love your optimism and I get you are just dreaming but won't happen.

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I don't think it will happen, either. Like I said, I'm dreaming of the absolute best-case scenario ...... and if by some infinitesimal chance IT DOES happen, I can call dibs.


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I'm comparing their failures in the first 6 to 7 years of their careers, not the resurgence/rebirth of Plunkett's career after that ...... that part is the proverbial dream, not the comparison. My comparison is actually Plunkett-to-Plunkett, not Plunkett-to-Jones ...... that's why I posted Plunkett's stats in New England and San Francisco, and then showed the contrast of those stats compared to the ones that he had in Oakland/LA.

And actually, I think that Jim Plunkett wouldn't feel insulted at all if he saw my post ...... I think that he'd be flattered that decades after his career ended people are still thinking of him, and pointing out how well the second half of his career went compared to how to the first half of his career went ...... "Can so-and-so (insert your QB of choice) become the next Jim Plunkett, and turn around an otherwise mediocre career after multiple years of relative futility ???" ...... I don't think that that is insulting at all.

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I heard a stat that DJ has three of the top 5 completion percentages in NYG history. I have not checked the validity of this.

If that is true, then the issue comes down to his unwillingness to throw the high risk, high reward, ball. I do recall a couple years ago someone doing a breakdown of his not being willing to do it. I think it might have been Orlovsky? This was taking place in that period where it looked certain Dabol was gonna get canned because of how putrid the Giants O was. The breakdown showed him throwing underneath when there were openings in the mid layer but he wouldn't throw it, and the thing being point out was his completion % was a mirage, that his conservatism was hurting the offense.

Steichen, since he has been here, has definitely gone hard after the chunk plays. Much of that may be a result of AR actually having that as perhaps his only positive in the passing game.

It is going to be really curious to see how Steichen adjusts to a QB that can hit the layups, but has no outside game.

After this pre-season, and in particular Leonard yesterday (yeah I get it was scrub city but that threaded rope to Treadwell was a legit NFL strike...), I do not have any idea why you would not move AR and end all the noise right now heading into the season. Just get a 4th or 5th and be done with it.

Even Minshew threw the ball deep on occasion under Steichen. If Jones doesn't produce the intermediate to chunk plays, then we know the problem is in Jones head, because he certainly has better arm strength than Minshew.

That's definitely a big concern w/ Jones, and it's not just the high risk/reward throws. At least towards the end of his time w/ NYG he was refusing to throw anything other than checkdowns. I forgot who they were playing, but I had on a Sun/Mon night game last year w/ NYG playing. The broadcast kept showing time after time that there were open receivers 10-20 yards downfield w/ Jones having plenty of time to throw the ball, but he kept ignoring that and just throwing checkdowns to his RB. Even on 3rd and longs where completing a pass to one of said open receivers was needed for a first down. Hopefully after working w/ O'Connell and Steichen this has been corrected, but I obviously have my doubts.

Just exactly do you think the Colts could get for AR at this time? No team would give up 4th or 5th. Do you really think that getting a 6th or 7th round in next year's draft will even make the team?

Not sure, and also not sure a 4-5 wouldn't be possible. Also, not even really concerned if a 6-7th rounder would make the team- though guys like Jones and Wohler give you hope that you can find that gem in the rough.

The kid has an enormous set of skills and is still younger than several QB's drafted this year. I have no idea what others may give for him though there has been chatter that teams have inquired. Push him off somewhere and if he becomes a star, so fucking be it, but the circumstances that have unfolded here, would sure as hell seem to indicate the Colts don't think that is a very strong possibility- if they did, the fucker is starting the season.

I would immediately move him. Shit is too fried here now, too much bitterness and I don't think Steichen wants anything to do with him really. There's going to be a TON of noise the minute DJ has a slightly off performance. Everyone is going to clammer for him to come in and throw the 60 yard streak strikes- everyone is going to want the juice if you will. A massive distraction is just waiting to boil over.

Leonard on the other hand carries such little risk. He comes in and sucks, you're getting what you expected and the FANS are getting a chance at another high QB pick next April. He comes in and somehow looks the part, well maybe you have a Purdy Esque situation and you can focus on building around him- with a better fucking GM.

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New York Giants history dates back to 1925. Stats for QB's in recent history needs to be taken with a big grain of salt when comparing them to stats of QB's that played a long time ago. Daniel Jones, for example, has a higher passer rating as a Giants QB than Frank Tarkenton, Charlie Conerly, and Phil Simms, and essentially has the same passer rating as Y.A. Tittle.



A) l Prior to 1974, a defensive player could hit a receiver an unlimited number of times down-field, so long as the ball was not in the air.

Starting in 1974, the most severe rule change regarding pass receivers and defenders was enacted ...... a player could only make contact 2 times overall, and one time beyond 3 yards of the line of scrimmage. This makes one appreciate what Otto Graham, Johnny Unitas, Fran Tarkenton, Bart Starr, Sonny Jurgensen, etc. accomplished. These quarterbacks all had most or all of their careers played prior to the 1974 season.

B) l In 1977, the rule was amended to aid the pass receivers again. Starting that season, a defender could only make contact with a receiver one time ...... whether it be within 3 yards of the line of scrimmage, or further downfield.

C) l In 1978, the rule was amended to aid the pass receivers yet again. Starting that season, a defender could make contact with a receiver only one time, and within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. If the defender made contact with a receiver 6 yards or more from the line of scrimmage, it was now considered to be pass interference (and/or defensive holding), even if the ball was not yet in the air.



* l In the last 15-20 years (circa 2005 through the present), more rule changes protecting both the receivers and the quarterbacks has allowed offensive statistics to increase even higher than they already had been.

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Raiders might give up a 4th or 5th. They are now in need of a qb2.Aidan O’Connell broke his wrist.

Hard for me to believe you actually think AR is done here. He may be or he may not be but people have come back from much worse situations before. Steichen lies to us all the time, I saw a stat that about 30% of what he says is true (remember Ryan was our starting QB for the rest of the year?). Nobody knows how this is going to play out. We haven't even heard from our new owner on how she feels. And we won't know until she acts one way or the other. It is way way too late to give up on AR. We will need him when Jones becomes who he has always been.

I would trade AR for 5th. A 5th of premium bourbon j/k ;). Seriously though, Dallas spent a 4th on Trey Lance, and he has shown no signs of life. AR, also has way more upside than Lance as well.

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I'm not sure who this post is directed at, but I have been (and continue to be) one of Anthony Richardson's biggest defenders here on ColtFreaks. In fact, I think that it is a mistake to have Daniel Jones as the starting QB this year over Richardson because in the long run I think that we have a better chance at becoming bonafide AFC championship contenders by developing a very young, very raw QB like Richardson than we do than with having what is currently a middling QB like Daniel Jones.

So, I really hope that the Colts ARE NOT done with Anthony Richardson in Indianapolis ...... my hopes of Daniel Jones becoming the next Jim Plunkett is a pipe-dream, and very much a long-shot. I'd rather go with Richardson, and see if he can evolve into at least a very solid QB over the next 3 to 4 years.

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You and I are in complete agreement on this topic. Given 100 chances, right now, I am taking AR 100 vs 0 to DJ. That said, the Colts have for their own reasons- most of which I believe to be very myopic and centered around neither Steichen or Ballard probably being given a sniff by anyone else for their legitimately "best jobs in the world" positions (because they both SUCK), are going the opposite direction.

In that case, they have decided he is not good enough to be the starter for this team. That says he must not be good enough to be the starter for the other teams in the league either in their view. So get rid of him now. 1-3 days of intense media noise, and then it's over. He is very likely a backup on whatever team he lands and only gets in with an injury / really shitty QB play and comes in very very cold for whoever it is, meaning he will likely not excel in the new spot, at least not this year.

To me, if you've decided the time to move on from him is now, then it is time from this point forward until eternity. To me, EVERYONE has fucked this thing up. So divorce, be done with it, swap the titles and fucking just move on.

We will get to see what AR is mentally made of. Does he put his all into not wasting this year and learning as much as he can or not? If he does then nothing is written in stone as far as AR and the Colts are concerned. I have zero idea how likely this is since I don't know the guy. I can hope.

All in jest, of course. But still funny as hell!

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100% agree with you C&O! Great post. As a long time Colts fan, I don't want to run with check down Jones and would rather see if AR can be the guy. I still think that Steichen and Ballard are just running scared right now, and I can't blame them. They are in serious trouble.

I don't know, I can't see trading him for some remote future low round draft choice. Suppose in game 1, DJ gets a serious injury and is out for the season. Leonard becomes your QB and he's just not capable at this time. Not that AR is ready but maybe, just maybe he answers the call.

Devito was cut as expected… let’s see if he gets picked up anywhere… I’m willing to wager his 2 minutes of fame are up

I don’t think you are getting the point. Devito is a nobody. That’s our whole point. Your defense of Jones performance is that the Giants suck, yet the nobody Devito has nearly identical success as Jones with the same teammates. Jones was benched by his team for Devito. NOT because Devito is good, but because Jones sucked. I don’t think Devito is good. I don’t think Jones is good. I’m not sure how Devito sucking is supposed to make Jones look good. Regardless we are real close to finding out on Jones. AR was 8-7 as a starter. Jones has, by everyone’s estimation, a better team around him than AR had so to me anything less than 10 wins for this team under Jones is a CLEAR failure. No need to bask in the demise of Tommy Devito, Jones is about to sink or swim on his own. We’ll see clearly if Jones is as great as you believe.

No you were trying to make the case Jones was benched for a better option, when he was clearly benched due to circumstances.

Jones is still a decent QB, we shall see

Exaclty (although Devito actually played better than Jones in '23). Devito getting cut just proves even further how god awful Jones was in NY. Obviously hope he turns it around, but I certainly won't be surprised if he doesn't.

Circumstances? Yeah the same circumstances that got AR benched. He didn’t perform at an acceptable level. He sucked. The only real difference is AR was drafted as a project and has 15 total starts. Jones has had 69 starts. Based on his performance I’d say he’s in line with the other non Philip Rivers QBs Ballard has brought in. I expect similiar results although he clearly has a better team than Ballard gave any of his previous QBs

Yes given a huge contract and expected to carry a shitty team to victories.
AR got benched because he wasn’t putting the extra work in it takes to be a high level QB in the NFL. Every coach and every former teammate Jones has ever had says nobody will outwork him

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So far, Jones looks even better than Plunkett did with the Raiders in the early 1980's.

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Yep, I was one who had my doubts about him. Through 3 games, DJ has looked damn good!

Crowe, Foot, Ass- just shove it all in my mouth at this point, I will happily eat all that shit right now!

Such a dumb post. Oh well, so it goes.

Seriously though, I went in this season with some pessimistic optimism (yeah, an oxymoron, but whatever) thinking that maybe Jones could be a good enough game manager and the Colts would win games with defense and the run game. I did not expect him to look like the second coming of Steve Young out there.

Gotta give the man his due here.

Hard to complain when your team is 3 and 0 and your offense is putting up 34 points a game on average. However, I'd like to see him improve his deep ball. Twice today he under threw his deep receivers. Once to Pierce and once to Mitchell. I don't believe it's a lack of arm strength, at least I hope not. He's the best we've had since Luck, but I still want improvement.

To keep things in perspective, the teams we beat are a collective 1-7.

Next week will be the real test against a real offense.

It's a good thing I don't have gambling addiction or anything like that. I would have bet the farm the Colts wouldn't start the season 3-0. Not that I have a farm either, but you know what I mean.

Good point, although I’d counter by pointing out that Denver lost both their games at the last second, today against the Chargers on a field goal. I think Denver is a decently good team.

The Titans and Dolphins are both bad but the Colts blew them out.

Edit-that said, I do think they’ll lose next week against a very good rams team. I’ll be interested in seeing how well they play.

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I said that somewhat tongue-in-cheek.

And while it's not fair to compare the statistics of past quarterbacks to the ultra-protected/ultra-coddled quarterbacks of today, Plunkett had what was arguably the best offensive line in the history of professional football blocking for him ...... the Colts' offensive line is good this year, but they are not on par with the Raiders' offensive lines from anywhere between 1967 and 1983.

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So far, 3 games into the season, I would say that we have the best QB in the division. Who could have predicted that?

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Chris Ballard, Daniel Jones' mother, and not too many other people.

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