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Indiana V2 10-02-2017 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 31175)
No team that gives up two return TDs is going to win. QB play has cost this team dearly in all 3 of its losses. Can't have Luck back soon enough.

I feel sorry for you if you truly think that the Colts problem is just the QB play.

Dam8610 10-02-2017 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Indiana V2 (Post 31205)
I feel sorry for you if you truly think that the Colts problem is just the QB play.

Of course it's not. The injury to Kelly has the OL playing poorly and we all knew going into the season that this team lacked pass rushers and quality ILBs. So the defense is average or below average, and cannot survive the mistakes of bad QB play (Tolzien) or developing QB play (Brissett). That doesn't mean I think the Colts would be 4-0 with Luck, but I think they'd be better than 1-3.

omahacolt 10-02-2017 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 31251)
Of course it's not. The injury to Kelly has the OL playing poorly and we all knew going into the season that this team lacked pass rushers and quality ILBs. So the defense is average or below average, and cannot survive the mistakes of bad QB play (Tolzien) or developing QB play (Brissett). That doesn't mean I think the Colts would be 4-0 with Luck, but I think they'd be better than 1-3.

and they would be immensely better without pagano.

Coltsalr 10-02-2017 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 31251)
Of course it's not. The injury to Kelly has the OL playing poorly and we all knew going into the season that this team lacked pass rushers and quality ILBs. So the defense is average or below average, and cannot survive the mistakes of bad QB play (Tolzien) or developing QB play (Brissett). That doesn't mean I think the Colts would be 4-0 with Luck, but I think they'd be better than 1-3.

What are your thoughts on Ballard?

Seriously.

Dam8610 10-03-2017 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 31344)
What are your thoughts on Ballard?

Seriously.

He inherited a bad roster with too many holes to fill in one off-season. Injuries to key players have exacerbated those problems.

rcubed 10-03-2017 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 31398)
He inherited a bad roster and worse coach with too many holes to fill in one off-season. Injuries to key players have exacerbated those problems.

fixed

GoBigBlue88 10-03-2017 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 31398)
He inherited a bad roster with too many holes to fill in one off-season. Injuries to key players have exacerbated those problems.

Why is that roster good enough to win the first half of 3/4ths of the games they've played?

Luck4Reich 10-03-2017 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88 (Post 31418)
Why is that roster good enough to win the first half of 3/4ths of the games they've played?

Great question.... I’m sure his answer blames everyone on the planet not named Pagano.

Coltsalr 10-03-2017 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuck4Chuck (Post 31428)
Great question.... I’m sure his answer blames everyone on the planet not named Pagano.

To be fair, the cotton candy guy at LOS not being in mid season form by now really has a ripple effect on the whole team.

Pez 10-03-2017 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88 (Post 31418)
Why is that roster good enough to win the first half of 3/4ths of the games they've played?

Lets see, half of 3/4ths... carry the two... because we are only about 3/8th's as good as everyone else we've played?

omahacolt 10-03-2017 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 31432)
To be fair, the cotton candy guy at LOS not being in mid season form by now really has a ripple effect on the whole team.

That guy fucking sucks

Dam8610 10-04-2017 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88 (Post 31418)
Why is that roster good enough to win the first half of 3/4ths of the games they've played?

Because sometimes it takes more than a quarter to expose the parts of the roster that need improvement, and there is some talent on the roster that can perform well. Also for some inexplicable reason, the whole league doesn't know that speed backs with receiving ability destroy the Colts defense, otherwise Seattle would've played McKissic from the first snap of the game.

GoBigBlue88 10-05-2017 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 31570)
Because sometimes it takes more than a quarter to expose the parts of the roster that need improvement, and there is some talent on the roster that can perform well. Also for some inexplicable reason, the whole league doesn't know that speed backs with receiving ability destroy the Colts defense, otherwise Seattle would've played McKissic from the first snap of the game.

So it's all personnel, and zero coaching? C'mon man.

I know you don't care about what people think of you on here -- nor should you, of course, caring about what people think about you online is dumb. But the reason people think you're absurd is because you won't negotiate any blame ratio whatsoever.

Kray007 10-05-2017 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 25903)
dam will come up with some excuse. but truthfully there is none. chuck pagano is the worst colts coach i have ever seen. maybe the worst coach i have ever seen


he is truthfully that bad

I've seen plenty of coaches who were worse, some of whom coached the Colts...see Mike McCormick, Frank Kush and Rod Dowhower.

Dam8610 10-05-2017 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88 (Post 31753)
So it's all personnel, and zero coaching? C'mon man.

I know you don't care about what people think of you on here -- nor should you, of course, caring about what people think about you online is dumb. But the reason people think you're absurd is because you won't negotiate any blame ratio whatsoever.

When I stop seeing speed backs run untouched into the end zone, and Antonio Morrison in coverage because the Colts apparently don't have a better second ILB to play on passing downs, I'll be willing to entertain the coaching staff's responsibility for defensive struggles.

omahacolt 10-05-2017 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 31825)
When I stop seeing speed backs run untouched into the end zone, and Antonio Morrison in coverage because the Colts apparently don't have a better second ILB to play on passing downs, I'll be willing to entertain the coaching staff's responsibility for defensive struggles.

Pagano plays Morrison. He doesn't have to play

Dam8610 10-05-2017 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 31853)
Pagano plays Morrison. He doesn't have to play

So you think he's intentionally playing bad players? What possible motive would he have to do that?

ChoppedWood 10-05-2017 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 31856)
So you think he's intentionally playing bad players? What possible motive would he have to do that?

Scott Tolzein

Coltsalr 10-05-2017 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 31856)
So you think he's intentionally playing bad players? What possible motive would he have to do that?

Intentionally? No. He’s too incompetent to effectively evaluate talent.

It’s the same reason he started Tolzien and had TJ Green playing at CB in the opener.

omahacolt 10-05-2017 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 31856)
So you think he's intentionally playing bad players? What possible motive would he have to do that?

So now who is making him play guys? Ballard is making him play guys grigson drafted? Is that your excuse now?

YDFL Commish 10-05-2017 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 31862)
Intentionally? No. He’s too incompetent to effectively evaluate talent.

It’s the same reason he started Tolzien and had TJ Green playing at CB in the opener.

How many times can I possibly thank this post?

FatDT 10-06-2017 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 31862)
Intentionally? No. He’s too incompetent to effectively evaluate talent.

It’s the same reason he started Tolzien and had TJ Green playing at CB in the opener.

It's the same reason we had Satele at center for so long. It's the same reason we had Landry playing for too long, then somehow "earning" his starting job again after getting suspended. This is nothing new. Pagano and his staff have a long history of playing the wrong players.

It's like now with Vagovich.

Dam8610 10-06-2017 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ChoppedWood (Post 31861)
Scott Tolzein

As I said at the time, Brissett hadn't been here even a full week, and had he gone out and performed poorly, every single one of you would've criticized him for throwing him out there too quickly with too little understanding of the offense. As for Morris, look at the comments, Ballard clearly made that decision. Fortunately, he was smart enough to realize he needed someone better than Tolzien and went out and got Brissett.

Dam8610 10-06-2017 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 31862)
Intentionally? No. He’s too incompetent to effectively evaluate talent.

It’s the same reason he started Tolzien and had TJ Green playing at CB in the opener.

If that were the case, you'd see a bunch of former Colts becoming starters and major contributors around the league. That doesn't happen because there's not some treasure trove of talent just sitting on the bench, waiting for their opportunity. Grigson left this roster in terrible shape, and Ballard was never going to be able to completely rebuild it in one offseason. If you have no good options (like at ILB or QB in week 1), you have to play the best bad option. That doesn't mean it isn't a bad option, or that Pagano thinks it's a good option.

Dam8610 10-06-2017 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 31865)
So now who is making him play guys? Ballard is making him play guys grigson drafted? Is that your excuse now?

No better option on the roster. This team's ILB corps is awful.

Puck 10-06-2017 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 31914)
If that were the case, you'd see a bunch of former Colts becoming starters and major contributors around the league. That doesn't happen because there's not some treasure trove of talent just sitting on the bench, waiting for their opportunity. Grigson left this roster in terrible shape, and Ballard was never going to be able to completely rebuild it in one offseason. If you have no good options (like at ILB or QB in week 1), you have to play the best bad option. That doesn't mean it isn't a bad option, or that Pagano thinks it's a good option.

Who is the starting center for the cardinals over the past few years?

Dam8610 10-06-2017 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 31952)
Who is the starting center for the cardinals over the past few years?

Grigson made a lot of stupid decisions, trading Shipley was one, what's your point?

omahacolt 10-06-2017 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 31952)
Who is the starting center for the cardinals over the past few years?

never pagano, puck

pagano has never made a mistake according to this idiot

Dam8610 10-06-2017 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 31996)
never pagano, puck

pagano has never made a mistake according to this idiot

Shipley was traded to the Ravens in the 2013 offseason, that's hardly something Pagano did.

omahacolt 10-06-2017 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 32012)
Shipley was traded to the Ravens in the 2013 offseason, that's hardly something Pagano did.

he was also brought back wasn't he? although i am not talking specifically about shipley

Dam8610 10-06-2017 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 32015)
he was also brought back wasn't he? although i am not talking specifically about shipley

What? Shipley never came back here after 2012. He's actually followed Arians around the league for most of his career. But if you're not talking about Shipley, what are you talking about?

Coltsalr 10-06-2017 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 31914)
If that were the case, you'd see a bunch of former Colts becoming starters and major contributors around the league. That doesn't happen because there's not some treasure trove of talent just sitting on the bench, waiting for their opportunity. Grigson left this roster in terrible shape, and Ballard was never going to be able to completely rebuild it in one offseason. If you have no good options (like at ILB or QB in week 1), you have to play the best bad option. That doesn't mean it isn't a bad option, or that Pagano thinks it's a good option.

TJ Green is nobody’s best option, bad or otherwise.

Coltsalr 10-06-2017 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 32024)
What? Shipley never came back here after 2012. He's actually followed Arians around the league for most of his career. But if you're not talking about Shipley, what are you talking about?

You are incorrect, Shipley came back to the Colts in 2014

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On August 31, 2014, the Indianapolis Colts claimed Shipley off of waivers after starting center Khaled Holmes suffered an injury during the first snap of the preseason.[24]


He was immediately inserted into a competition for the starting center position against rookie Jonotthan Harrison. Shipley was named the starting center for the season opener against the Denver Broncos. After starting and playing well in the first four games, he was surprisingly demoted to the backup position behind undrafted rookie Jonotthan Harrison. He finished the 2014 season playing in 15 games, started five, and was ranked as the 13th highest graded center in the NFL by Pro Football Focus.[20][25]
That certainly sounds like a coaching gaffe.

Dam8610 10-06-2017 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 32027)
You are incorrect, Shipley came back to the Colts in 2014

You're right, my bad, missed it when I looked it up earlier.

That certainly sounds like a coaching gaffe.

What? It's a coaching gaffe to be told who to play and then have the GM not retain a player?

omahacolt 10-06-2017 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 32024)
What? Shipley never came back here after 2012. He's actually followed Arians around the league for most of his career. But if you're not talking about Shipley, what are you talking about?

wrong as usual.

omahacolt 10-06-2017 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 32029)
What? It's a coaching gaffe to be told who to play and then have the GM not retain a player?

no fucker

i was right and you were wrong. you aren't man enough to say that are you.

apballin 10-06-2017 07:47 PM

pagano gets all the blame, but that was a hell of a 1st half

2 good challenges by Pagano, team looked ready to play even with a backups backup center in the loudest stadium. 2nd half just went to shit after the fumble returned for 6, then Hookers INT and they settle for 3- Ballgame

Dam8610 10-06-2017 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 32041)
no fucker

i was right and you were wrong. you aren't man enough to say that are you.

Clearly you have reading comprehension problems as well as a selective memory. 2014 was the time period that Grigson was dictating who started. Shipley was retained through that season, then allowed to hit free agency. 0% of what happened with Shipley was a Pagano decision.

omahacolt 10-06-2017 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 32024)
What? Shipley never came back here after 2012. He's actually followed Arians around the league for most of his career. But if you're not talking about Shipley, what are you talking about?

This is what I am talking about idiot.

Dam8610 10-06-2017 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 32051)
This is what I am talking about idiot.

Read my response to Coltsalr, idiot.


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