I know it's still early and a lot can change, and I also know you can't believe everything people say, but I am reading a lot of comments that make me believe the Texans are leaning toward drafting Levis!

Agreed, the age thing for a QB is overrated and dumb, especially if we are talking about a later pick.

Potential being the key distinguishing word. Throw them in an offense, with 0 improvement, they're bottom third starters. With improvement, they can become top 5.

I can't get on board with a 22 year old rookie that can't hit the broad side of a barn, but is really fast and strong.

No matter who your preference is, we have to take a QB with the first pick. I’ll take Levi’s over a 26 year old coming off an ACL

Draft Anderson and hope for a decent starter to be available in round 2

Why? What dictates that the Colts are required to draft a QB? I know Irsay said they're going to draft and develop, but he's also a reasonable owner who listens to his talent evaluation staff. If they're saying the QB(s) left are very likely to bust and very unlikely to produce a starting NFL QB but the best player available is likely to be an elite defender for several years, I think he signs off on that.

There's no decent starter available in Round 2. Hendon Hooker is a 26 year old who can't hit the broad side of a barn, isn't as strong and fast, and is coming off an ACL tear.

Hooker signed with Virginia Tech after winning two state titles and throwing for over 6,000 yards and 55 touchdowns at Dudley High School in North Carolina. As a redshirt freshman, he played in six games as a reserve (4-57-14.3, one TD rushing). Hokies coaches started Hooker eight times in 2019 (the team won his first six starts) and he set a school record with 124 completions without an interception (99-162-61.1%, 1,555 yards, 13 TDs, two INTs passing; 123-356-2.9, five TDs rushing). He started seven of eight games in 2020 (98-150-65.3%, 1,339 yards, nine TDs, five INTs passing; 120-620-5.2, nine TDs rushing) but decided he needed a change in scenery. Hooker took over the Tennessee job early in the 2021 season (11 starts in 13 games) and ended up ranking third in the FBS in pass efficiency (181.4) and fourth with 9.72 yards per attempt (206-303-68%, 2,945 yards, 31 TDs, three INTs passing; 166-616-3.7, five TDs rushing). He threw 140 passes without an interception during the season. Hooker was an early Heisman Trophy favorite in 2022, eventually winning SEC Offensive Player of the Year and being named a third-team Associated Press All-American. After throwing for 3,135 yards (229-329-69.6%) and 27 scores (against just two interceptions) and rushing for 430 yards (104 carries, 4.1 per) and five touchdowns in 11 starts, however, he suffered a torn left ACL that ended his season. Hooker led the nation's top offense (in yards per game and points scored) with an FBS-best 9.53 yards per pass attempt. He also ranked second in pass efficiency (175.5) and seventh in completion percentage in 2022 and set Tennessee records by throwing 261 passes without an interception and recording a touchdown pass in 20 straight games. -- by Chad Reuter

Hooker seems to have had a pretty good college career, and he definitely can hit the inside of a barn

Accuracy and ball placement are lacking with Hooker.

Those seem like pretty good statistics to me !! I would have no problem if Ballard drafted him.

What the heck are you talking about? Hooker completed almost 70 percent of his passes last year. That was better than Stroud or Young.

And don’t give me that crap about the offense he played in. They said the same thing about Mahomes. If the guy has talent, that’s not a dealbreaker by any stretch.

Now, now. Let's not bring anything objective like statistics into the conversation. We all know what Dam sees on this film he watches is the absolute truth. Obviously Hooker was just super lucky 70% of the time he threw the ball.

And all those passes he threw without the other team catching one, just unbelievably lucky.

It's crazy how everyone is just ignoring his mechanics as well, that camel toe is never going to work in the NFL.

How about a QB who completed 71% of his passes for 5111 yards 45 TD and only 9 INT? He'd be an NFL stud, right? Then why did he only ever play in 4 NFL games and complete 2/4 passes for 20 yards? Could it be possible that college stats can be deceiving? As for Hooker, his numbers aren't all luck, there are play designs for high percentage passes. If you don't care about having a predictable offense with no deep passing game, and very little potential of improvement from that, Hooker is fine I suppose. His ball placement and accuracy on NFL caliber throws leaves a lot to be desired.

You'd have loved Graham Harrell as a prospect.

Lol. So everyone but you is deceived by Hookers college stats.

Ok.

And are you really gonna go with the coaches at Tennessee just designed better plays for Hooker than Alabama did for Young or Ohio State did for Stroud?

Look, I don’t know whether Hooker will be any good or not and neither do you.

If you want to pretend that college QBs with inflated stats from passing offenses designed to generate those stats have never existed, feel free. I know who I'd rather have the future of a franchise riding on, and it's not Hendon Hooker.

Man, I hope there is not some kind of mechanism in your home that measures narcissism, it would peg in the red.

It's narcissistic to believe that a 25 year old college QB with good stats and bad tape doesn't have as good of a chance to succeed as a 22 year old college QB with good stats and good tape? Interesting.

Wow, where are you seeing that? This QB class is all over the place.

To be fair, Dam didn't bring Hooker's high school and college stats into the conversation, Jersey did.

I was at Texas Tech the same years Graham Harrell was and I've seen a ton of Mike Leach football. All of those Air Raid QBs had great numbers and none of them made it in the NFL.

Vince Young threw for 65% his senior year and was a career 57% in the NFL. Everyone could see he couldn't throw.

Don't bring logic into the conversation. College stats are unimpeachable determining factors of NFL success. :rolleyes:

Nothing shy of an honest to god miracle. Next to Trevor Lawrence, Hooker must be the luckiest person on the planet.

No doubt. I'd hate to see how he reacts to something that actually matters not going his way since he can't even admit when he's wrong about meaningless armchair GMing.

No, you are the narcissist. Everything revolves around you being right. God forbid you're wrong, psst, you are, a lot!

I don’t disagree but using that as proof that he can’t make it in the NFL and that he has accuracy issues is just not accurate. It’s why I brought up Mahomes, who played in a similar offense and who is the best in the league now.

The nfl is moving more and more toward that style of offense. It stands to reason that more and more of these guys will succeed in the league going forward.

At the end of the day, none of us know. Not even Dam. Saying drafting Hooker is a wasted pick is silly, especially coming from someone who has been wrong as often as Dam.

Well your gonna love this Dam, JMV just said he’s hearing they really like Levi’s

Oh no! We're super fucked now!! I mean our previous coaching staff couldn't fix Wentz's issues so there's no way the new coaching staff will be able to fix Levis' :mad:

I am not going to sit here and say Levis can't be fixed. For evidence, we have Brett Favre, Josh Allen and Jalen Hurts.

Shit, I don't care which one of these guys they draft as long as they get it right and don't motrgage the farm to do it.

I just watched some really good tape on Levis vs Ole Miss. He was playing with multiple injuries and still taking hits to deliver throws and running the ball.

I've watched Hooker and Young and Stroud. One thing that definitely stood out to me is that Stroud and Young rarely faced adversity or had to make off platform throws.

I've seen good stuff on all of these QB's. They are all talented. But which one will run the fucking team!

I only brought up Hooker because I was tired of reading that Stroud was the ONLY one that had a good college career! IMHO Hooker had a real good college too, hell there were six QB's drafted before Brady and one was Giovanni Carmazzi, so even the experts, the ones that get paid big bucks to get it right, don't! Dam might be right, hell I don't, it's his opinion and you know what they say about opinions...................................

What exactly would I have to "admit I'm wrong about" regarding which QBs from the 2023 draft will be successful?

Psst, anyone who has opinions on these things is wrong a lot. Elite GMs are right about 50% of the time. I'm not going to argue that I'm wrong, though, that's counterproductive. I wouldn't expect anyone to do that. The whole point of a message board is the discussion. That's what makes it interesting. Everyone sitting around agreeing would be pretty boring.

Why is it silly? I believe that. Of course I could be wrong, anyone can be. Pretty much everyone was wrong about Brock Purdy. I wish I'd said more about him, because he always stood out to me when watching Breece Hall, one of the many reasons I go with the consensus less and less as time goes on. But Brock Purdy is the exception. For every one of those there are 20 of Bailey Zappe, Anthony Gordon, Graham Harrell et al.

And when it comes to Air Raid QBs, Mahomes is 1000% the exception. Air Raid QBs outside of him have done nothing in the NFL.

Who said Stroud was the only one who had a good college career? Certainly not me. Bryce Young's college career was better than Stroud's by a lot.

sorry, I thought you did, my apologies.

If you want what Stroud is the only one of in this class in my opinion, it's Day 1 Pro ready starting QB who has normal or better measureables for a QB.

I was referring to current players in the NFL that you don't admit you were wrong about. Like Trevor Lawrence. You keep claiming he's a bust, which is absolutely incorrect, and you're the only person on the planet who believes that.

Off the top of my head here are some other ridiculous gems you've shared recently:

- Kyler Murray and Daniel Jones are better QBs than Jalen Hurts and will have better years than him in '23 (still waiting to hear back from you on the bet I proposed BTW).
- Zach Wilson isn't a bust. The Jets just screwed him over.
- Belicheat has ruined Mac Jones HOF career.
- Hendon Hooker and Will Levis can't hit the broad side of a barn.
- Reich couldn't fix Wentz so there's no way the new coaching staff will be able to improve Levis' mechanics.

I could go on, but I think you get the point.

Your time is better spent doing ANYTHING else, including a colonoscopy.

Just do a Goggle search of Will Levis Texans draft and you will find a number of articles only a few days old talking about how well he would fit there, how well he did in his recent interview with them, etc. Could all be a bluff, most of the comments were before the Panthers/Bears trade?

There's a lot of conflation going on there.

Still saying Lawrence is a bust though. His athleticism will only carry him so far for so long, and it won't be any further than the Divisional Round of the playoffs if the AFC South stays as weak as it was last year.

One nice thing about the start of free agency is that two teams right behind us have filled QB needs.

SEA re-signed Geno Smith and LVR signed Jimmy G.

That means that ARI would have to be comfortable trading down to around #8 for a QB needing team to jump to the #3 slot.

We should have our pick between the 3rd or 4th QB of the draft.

Here is hoping that CAR really did jump up to #1 to pick Will Levis!

I wouldn't count SEA out from drafting a QB. Could totally see them looking to get AR, where he can develop behind Smith for a year or 2.