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Dam8610 01-08-2023 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 257299)
You're probably right that if we want Young or Stroud we will likely have to trade up to get him b/c the Bears will likely trade down to a team that will draft one of the 2 with Houston choosing the other. If we're good w/ taking Levis then we can stay put I think. At least as things stand now, but a lot can change between now and draft day.

The Colts are the team in the best position to make that jump trade, and should secure that pick and get their choice of the two ASAP.

CletusPyle 01-08-2023 10:02 PM

Will Levis with OSU's OL and receivers > CJ Stroud

The more I see of both Max Duggan and Stetson Bennett the more I like them, both will likely be there in the 3rd round if the Colts decide to pass on the top 5 QBs, but you have to believe one of the 5 is going to be great, but which one?

Dam8610 01-08-2023 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 257303)
Will Levis with OSU's OL and receivers > CJ Stroud

The more I see of both Max Duggan and Stetson Bennett the more I like them, both will likely be there in the 3rd round if the Colts decide to pass on the top 5 QBs, but you have to believe one of the 5 is going to be great, but which one?

Stroud's LT gave up pressure constantly. Stroud also put up more points in the second half against the best defense in college football (13) than they gave up on average for the entire season against the best conference in football (12.8). That, of course, was after he lost his best WR, RB, and TE.

I think people have prospect fatigue with Young and Stroud. Watch them play, you'll see why people think they are franchise QBs. I don't see it with Levis.

Also, you're crazy if you think Stetson Bennett will be a franchise NFL QB. He's too old, he'll be like 26 as a rookie, that's supposed to be right about when NFL QBs start their prime.

apballin 01-09-2023 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 257309)
Stroud's LT gave up pressure constantly. Stroud also put up more points in the second half against the best defense in college football (13) than they gave up on average for the entire season against the best conference in football (12.8). That, of course, was after he lost his best WR, RB, and TE.

I think people have prospect fatigue with Young and Stroud. Watch them play, you'll see why people think they are franchise QBs. I don't see it with Levis.

Also, you're crazy if you think Stetson Bennett will be a franchise NFL QB. He's too old, he'll be like 26 as a rookie, that's supposed to be right about when NFL QBs start their prime.

See I think people are overrating that Georgia game. Stroud plays with a clean pocket majority of the time. After Harrison got injured he didn’t do shit. He beat 2 ranked opponents all year. Levis reminds me of Big Ben, gritty gutsy tough athletic dude with a big arm

Dam8610 01-09-2023 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 257322)
See I think people are overrating that Georgia game. Stroud plays with a clean pocket majority of the time. After Harrison got injured he didn’t do shit. He beat 2 ranked opponents all year. Levis reminds me of Big Ben, gritty gutsy tough athletic dude with a big arm

Wow, you're reaching quite a bit here. "He was up against the best defense in college football and didn't have his top WR, RB, or TE, but it's not THAT impressive that he put up in one half what that defense gave up per game on the season." Really? How is that not impressive? He also got them in position to win the game BY DOING THE THING EVERYONE SAID HE WOULDN'T DO! Not his fault the kicker missed.

Racehorse 01-09-2023 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 257269)
hell no to trading up.


just sit tight and take whatever qb is there. unless the gm doesn't like him.

I mostly agree, but if we do trade up, I would not give the farm.

apballin 01-09-2023 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 257332)
Wow, you're reaching quite a bit here. "He was up against the best defense in college football and didn't have his top WR, RB, or TE, but it's not THAT impressive that he put up in one half what that defense gave up per game on the season." Really? How is that not impressive? He also got them in position to win the game BY DOING THE THING EVERYONE SAID HE WOULDN'T DO! Not his fault the kicker missed.

How’d he do against Michigan? He doesn’t do well vs pressure and that will not be the case in the NFL. He’s not gonna be able to stand behind a wall and throw to wide open guys. Again he beat …. 2 ranked opponents all year… 2. I look at the entire body of work not just 1 game

JAFF 01-09-2023 09:33 AM

No.

How many Qb playing right now were the first pick in the draft? Right now the 49ners have the last pick in the draft playing like a first rounder. Drew Brees went in the second round.

Im not suggesting the Colts go dumpster diving. They need help in several places. It will cost multiple players/picks to move up 1 or 2 spots. Is there a Brees in this draft? Trade down and gain more picks, while drafting a smart guy who has some flaws later in the first round?

CletusPyle 01-09-2023 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 257309)
Stroud's LT gave up pressure constantly. Stroud also put up more points in the second half against the best defense in college football (13) than they gave up on average for the entire season against the best conference in football (12.8). That, of course, was after he lost his best WR, RB, and TE.

I think people have prospect fatigue with Young and Stroud. Watch them play, you'll see why people think they are franchise QBs. I don't see it with Levis.

Also, you're crazy if you think Stetson Bennett will be a franchise NFL QB. He's too old, he'll be like 26 as a rookie, that's supposed to be right about when NFL QBs start their prime.

OSU had the 4th ranked OL in college football, UK had the 33rd and that was generous! Stroud does not impress me that much in fact, I wouldn't be completely shocked if the Texans took Levis!

I wasn't suggesting that Bennett would be a permanent answer, but he is a winner and you play him next season and with a much stronger QB class next season maybe get your franchise guy and Bennett stays on as your #2? No way I would trade up for Stroud or Young, if Ballard does that he is a complete fool!

YDFL Commish 01-09-2023 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 257309)
Stroud's LT gave up pressure constantly. Stroud also put up more points in the second half against the best defense in college football (13) than they gave up on average for the entire season against the best conference in football (12.8). That, of course, was after he lost his best WR, RB, and TE.

I think people have prospect fatigue with Young and Stroud. Watch them play, you'll see why people think they are franchise QBs. I don't see it with Levis.

Also, you're crazy if you think Stetson Bennett will be a franchise NFL QB. He's too old, he'll be like 26 as a rookie, that's supposed to be right about when NFL QBs start their prime.


Aren't you the one who said Mac Jones was going to be better than Trevor Lawrence? How has that worked out?


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