Better yet

Just fire the claptard

[QUOTE=Coltsalr;671]Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 31m31 minutes ago
A presser today, but Colts GM Chris Ballard intends to keep HC Chuck Pagano for 2017, then re-evaluate for 2018, per league sources.

I mean, maybe since he's new, he doesn't feel like his first order of business should be firing the head coach, regardless of how terrible he may be?[/QUOTE]

Then we hired the wrong guy. I thought the only chance Pagano had to save his job would be promoting Jimmy Raye. Wrong.

[QUOTE=Dewey 5;675]Fire Ballard!!!

I don't see what's left to evaluate. It's going on year 6, we pretty much know what we have in Pagano. Irsay must really think Grigson was the main problem.

Irsay thinking that Grigson was the main problem is the only thing that makes sense. He's wrong of course, but he hasn't figured that out yet.

If he doesn't have enough evidence by now, what will convince him?

Another wasted year of Lucks career!!

From all the reports, Ballard wanted Pagano gone. That then begs the question "So what did Irsay tell Ballard to make him accept Pagano for at least a year?"

He may have told him something like "Look, I know you want Pagano gone, but I have too much money to pay him this year on his contract even if I fire him, plus paying the new coach. I would prefer a year to see what he can do with you."

Irsay should just take the hit and let Ballard bring in who he wants at HC, but he isn't. I was hoping Polian would advise him to fire Pagano too. This sucks.

8-8 or worse next season and 3rd in AFC South. It's obvious to us but who knows what goes on in Jim's head.

Bah! Humbug!

When Ballard sees the team get off to slow starts every game, non-existent game planes, dumb ass fake punt formations, etc. Ballard will ask Irsay why the fuck did you make me keep this clown? Can I fire him now?!

I assume irsay said to keep him a year then do what you think is best. dumb on irsays part if so.

I doubt it, even with Pagano this team can be better than that and should be able to be in competition for 1st. If Ballard brings in a decent infusion of talent there is no reason the Colts to be that bad. Which is kind of troubling since a 11 win season and a AFC south title, even with an embarrassing playoff loss will probably buy Pags at least one more year.

That's the only thing I'm concerned about now. I don't think they'll be any worse than 8-8 and playing a 3rd place schedule will probably lead to 10-6 or better. Maybe omaha is right calling Pagano a master manipulator/bullshit artist.

it may not be just him. i imagine his agent plays a huge role in the leaks from last year mid season. those leaks to the media weren't coming from grigson or irsay. and they all made grigson look like an asshole and pagano to just have his hands tied.

and then the question about how the team lacked the talent to be above 8-8 and the dick threw the team and grigson under the bus. a good dude, or a dude that didn't have an agenda, would make the comment that everyone just needs to be better and blah blah blah. pagano made a huge statement for as little as he said.

pagano is a piece of shit doing anything to survive. and for what? he is betting on himself to win big when anyone that has seen his results knows he isn't a good coach.

Sad thing about all this shit is that Lucks career is being wasted away. Luck will be fortunate if he gets to one Super Bowl with these asshats running the show!!

1) May not be able to get the right coordinators now.
2) It's a bad time to try implementing a new offense when Luck can't throw for 4-5 months.

Look, I would prefer a change now, but I don't think it's a slam dunk error in judgment.

This. And it's Irsay's fault for not seeing it and forcing Ballard's hand for 2017.

I'm not going to call him a piece of shit, but you may very well be right. Other than Irsay, he's been the only constant. Watching the team come out slow again and again, the lack of discipline and boneheaded in-game decisions are Pagano hallmarks. I started buying into your theory when he threw all the assistants under the bus. Dude's like the bad penny that keeps coming up. The good ol' lovable oaf, spouting clichés and manipulating behind the scenes.

Well this sucks. Another year wasting Luck under the incompetence of Clappy McWoodchopper. It really puts you in a bind as a fan too, b/c you want the team to do well but if they do then we're stuck with that worthless dipshit and his band of stooges for at least another year :(

Just curious, what level of team performance would it take for you to change your mind on Pagano even the slightest bit? 12-4? 13-3? Deep playoff run? I'm actually curious as to the level of bias here.

Lets starts with having a game plan that doesnt involve overcoming large deficits to win a game.

It has very little to do with wins and losses. Not sure why you don't get that

Easy: Stop with the slow starts and poor time management. And no more stupid punt plays.

Hmmm...that is an interesting question.

IMO, I would want to see a couple of things in order to have my mind "eased" as to Pagano's ability as a Head Coach in the NFL.

#1 = Winning record and winning the AFC South. This is very achievable with the roster we had in 2016 and I expect that the 2017 roster will be better. If this is not achieved, then the team has not achieved.

#2 = Game starting game plans that are effective. So often, it feels like we have zero clue that the opposing team is going to do what they have been doing all season long! "What? The Titans are going to run the rock with 2 RBs? Who knew?!?" I don't feel like we attack weakness very often; we just "do what we do."

#3 = Effective halftime adjustments. See Point #2 above but, again, we don't seem to attack identified weaknesses very well. "We do what we do."

#4 = Having the team play DISCLIPLINED football. Throwing for 40 yards on a 3rd down and 1. Committing unsportsmanlike conduct penalties on opposing team failed 3rd down plays. Offside penalties. Chronic drops on 3rd down pass plays. Any delay of game penalty. Just about any pass interference penalty. Catching the ball 7 yards downfield on 3rd down and 9. Ever getting caught with too many men on the field. Having to burn a timeout because someone is not on the field for a special teams play. Those are all the result of an undisciplined team.

#5 = Pure Head Coaching decisions. Use of timeouts. Decision to go for it on 4th down. Decision to kick a FG or continue an offensive drive. Decision to play "prevent" defense. Decision to continue an attacking offense or go time eating "ball control." One point conversion or two point conversion? Those used effectively greatly enhance a team's chances of winning a game. Used poorly....


Those are the criteria that I would use when evaluating Pagano in 2017. While point #1 has quite a bit to do with player talent, NONE of the other points depend on that; they depend on a coaches ability to lead their team.

Cheers,

The other 4 posts above pretty much address what Clappy McWoodchopper and his band of dipshits need to do, but to add my .02:

-Install effective game plans and get the team ready to play. This has been something Pags and staff have been incapable of for the past 4 years as ~75% of the time the team starts a game looking like they haven't stepped on a football field for a month and have no idea what to do against the opposition (who most of the time are doing what they've just been doing all year like Sherck points out). It wouldn't surprise me if he actually has the coaches and players literally out chopping wood during the week instead of watching film and practicing.

-Large reduction in bone headed penalties and plays. From stupid penalties, to missed assignments, to trying to return punts from the 1 yard line, this type of crap has absolutely plagues us the past 2 years. This shows clearly a lack of discipline on the team. Need to tighten up that belt big time.

-Improved game management. No more losing games when you take the lead with only 40 seconds remaining or losing a 2 TD lead with only 5 minutes to play to a team with Brock Osweiller as their QB b/c you're playing too soft and/or trying to run the clock out for the entire 4th quarter.

-Improved play calling. Enough with the 7 step drops all of the time and other plays that are getting Luck killed out there, and for god fucking sake figure out what to do when the other team starts blitzing.

-No more god awful fakes and trick plays. The next time this team tries anything anywhere near as stupid as the infamous fake punt then not only should Pags and anyone involved be fired, but they should also be flogged and then tarred and feathered while being sent out of town.

-Quit playing down to the competition. When we play a bad team like the Jags or the Bears we should be either blowing them out or winning comfortable. Not falling behind and either falling short in a come back or barely squeaking out a win.


If he and his staff are able to do the above then the record will take care of itself. Of course if they had done the above the past couple years then the record would have already taken care of itself and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

I thanked you solely for the phrase "Clappy McWoodchopper." That is an INSTANT classic!

Now, I will go read the rest of your post! ;)

Cheers,

Yep, Pagano has a new name, Clappy McWoodchopper. Love it

I really hope this motherfucker wises up and fires Pagano.

We can drop f-bombs now?

Fuck yeah!

I think Ballard is a great choice for GM. Being with KC, he learned how to build a team. I am really looking forward to the draft and free agency. A solid draft and a few free agents could really turn the Colts around.

I agree 100%.

Our offense was rounding into form over the 2nd half of the season. Really, all it needed was for the O-Line to gel and it appears that was happening. Hopefully, a new WR coach will bring the younger guys further so that they support T.Y. better and about the only player needed on the offensive side is a young RB to backup Gore.

However, on defense, it is pretty much a disaster. No LBs that I have confidence in except Walden and he might have priced himself out of us re-signing him with his double digit sack year (which will never happen again).

Our D-Line ended up not being the strength that I had hoped it would be although there were times that it played well. Our secondary has Vontae and perhaps Geathers as studs and a few other nice players in Robinson, Butler and Melvin but needs more work.

In my perfect world, however, 4 defensive free agents (D-Line, ILB, OLB, CB) to go along with 3 or 4 defensive rookies (first 3 rounds for sure and then either RB or defense in 4th round) would go a LONG way in upgrading the defensive side of the ball and make us a 10 win team again.

Think of this....

NE scored 51 offensive TDs, 27 FGs, 46 XPM and 1 2-point conversions on offense.

IND scored 45 offensive TDs, 27 FGs, 44 XPM and 2 2-point conversions on offense.

NE. = 435 offensive points scored (27.19 ppg)
IND = 399 offensive points scored (24.94 ppg)

3 points per game less scored on offense per game.....however...

NE. = 250 defensive points allowed (15.63 ppg)
IND = 392 defensive points allowed (24.50 ppg)

9 points more per game allowed on defense.

A one season defensive "Manhattan Project" with the RIGHT guys brought in could create a HUGE turnaround in 2017.

Perhaps, even enough to overcome some of Clappy McWoodChoppers' faults and tendencies to lose us games.

Cheers,

Perhaps

Something I found interesting at the 3:50 mark of this video, when Ballard says that he never tries to dictate scheme to his coaches. Is it possible that Grigson's meddling went that deep that he was dictating scheme to Pagano? Because it just seems odd to me that a new GM hire would even bring that up?

http://www.colts.com/videos/videos/G...6-e61e666a008d

I highly doubt it

Thanks for your as usual deep cutting edge analysis!

omaha can say a lot without saying a lot.

stop tossing omaha's salad

do i really need to explain how retarded it is to think grigson was dictating scheme to his coaches?

From the tweets by players of their dislike for grigson, one has to wonder what the hell this guy was all sticking his nose into, so YES it is absolutely possible that it happened