Fleener deserved it.

i hope allen does well. and i am sure he will.

allen was a good player and was a great guy in the community

And $3m in free cap space.

With some "experts" thinking that some 4th rounders in this year's draft could be 2nd rounders in other years, then this move could.....could turn into a defensive starter or contributor that has impact on our defense.

Considering our last 2 5th round choices were David Parry (pre-idiocy) and Joe Haeg, we could get a pretty good guy with that extra 4th round choice.

Cherrs,

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Well it's not that its hard to understand what you're saying its just not how the rest of the world looks at things.

The rest of the world is going to judge based on who has the better career, the guy we draft in the 4th round or the combination of Dwayne Allen and the 6th we sent with him.

But I understand your point, it can work out better for the team in the long run even if they use our 6th to draft the next Tom Brady.

I would like this a lot better if the 6th and was not included and he went to the NFC. You just know he will somehow stay healthy and have a solid season.

This is obviously what I meant. I hope things work out well for the Colts, and I things turn out well for DA. He's a good man.

No he won't.

I am glad we got a 4th. I'm not glad about sending a pick back, or doing business with the Pats, or giving up on Allen when we really don't need the cap space.

I hope he drops a 4th and 1 pass that loses them a critical game.

the hatred for allen is something i will never understand. teammates loved him, coaches loved him, and he was great in the community.

fans hate him because he got hurt.

it is unbelievable the vitriol this dude has received.

why?

i hope he plays great they lose every game. but that fits you.

maybe someday you will get to con your way into some fat girls panties and you won't be such a little douchebag.

It really makes you think...

Colts fans hate injured players. It took people years to stop bitching about Reitz, and even now when he retires you have people saying things like "Good riddance, he sucks".

It didn't help that he got overpaid. What was he supposed to do, say no?

Salary complaints always amaze me. Ownership, player, and agent come to an agreement for salary. Fans complain about the player. Who in the world wouldn't take a raise, let alone an agreed upon/arbitrated raise?

Allen was one of your man crushes, so you'll defend him to the death. I don't know why you randomly pick horrible players and defend them to the death while ripping on better players for no apparent reason. I'm guessing it's the same reason you have this odd psychological compulsion to project your sad life onto me.

The complaint is about management being smart and managing the limited resource of salary cap dollars wisely. I would never blame a player for taking more money, but a GM who overpays a bunch of players is going to end up with a flawed roster.

white bitch.......get it right, you ain't fooling anyone!

It's not like Allen was the 2nd coming of Dallas Clark or John Mackey. He was a mediocre TE after his rookie year. Nothing fucking special about him. Ballard made a good decision in trading him and giving the Colts some additional cap money while picking up an another 4th round pick. I didn't hate Allen, he just wasn't worth the money he was being paid.

Allen is absolutely replaceable at a much lower price tag. He's an above average TE getting paid like a good TE. Part of building a winning roster is having guys who are worth what they are paid and Allen was not.

The Colts will probably get about the same production out of their TEs next year, add a nice chunk of cap space in 2017-2019, and move up about 55 picks in the process. This is a good deal. If you don't think so, you're too high on Allen.

Right but that turns into hatred for the player when he's perceived to underperform, which makes no sense. I'm not attached to the guy and I don't think this was a bad trade, I've thought about it and Allen and Doyle duplicate each other with Allen being the better athlete and Doyle being more consistent, but to hate a guy because he played poorly when by all accounts he wasn't slacking, he didn't get paid and quit working he didn't do anything wrong other than not play well. There are plenty of guys who don't play well that the coaches constantly go back to that don't receive the kind of hate that Allen does.

Logically it doesn't make sense to hate him if he didn't sleep with your girlfriend.

I for one didn't hate Allen. He was just getting paid way too much for being a mediocre TE. I wouldn't have paid that pussy Fleener either, glad he went to the Saints.

I'm not picking up the gauntlet for omaha, but calling DA horrible is just ridiculous. Satele was horrible. Curtis Painter was horrible. Allen? Nah. That doesn't hold any water.

You've right about where the true complaint should be, but the majority of fans complain mostly about the player. It's probably due to some psychological conditioning.

They also kinda traded Allen for Doyle because they weren't going to spend nearly 15 million on tight ends.

Welcome aboard

Allen was a good talent who never really fulfilled his promise due to injuries, and he had a huge problem with drops last year. I was more referring to his tendency to pick players like Mike Doss and Greg Toler and defend them while running down better players for no reason. In this case, it was him defending Allen endlessly as he underperformed while bitching about Fleener despite Fleener ultimately performing better than Allen in his time here.

Funny how you brought up Greg Toler but never talk about how bad his replacement is. And Robinson is TOTALLY a Pagano guy and HE SUCKS!!!!

Toler sucked, Robinson sucks, what's your point? Grigson failed to find a good CB2 to complement Davis, and in making poor decisions on that front, also managed to make poor decisions on other parts of the roster. Keep talking about "Pagano guy[s]" all you want, but the bottom line is the GM has control of the 53.

Also, what does any of this have to do with the topic? Omaha's tendency to endlessly defend his man crushes is at least on topic, since Dwayne Allen was one of them.

I like Allen but agree he never lived up to his potential, due to injuries and other reasons.

I thought we could get more out of him, but that I think is based more on how good he could be, not how good he has been the last few years. Which is injury prone and mediocre.

Are you really going to do this crap all off-season, too? When will you give it a rest? You ruin threads far too often.

Where have you been? We have posters closing in on your Post Whore status

DA will be a pro bowler in NE. Too bad he can't be a pro bowler in Indy. Coaching and scheme.

I'm not the one who went off topic. Don't like where things went? Take it up with Puck.

You might be onto something here... from now on these off topic post will go to the smack shack. then argue all you want!

Sounds great to me.

Coaching and scheme caused him to drop passes and get injured?

Only if Gronk misses most of the season. If he truly was not happy in a blocking role here, how happy will he be as the clear number 2.

They're odds-on favorites to be in the Super Bowl again next year, so probably not too upset.

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Media note: Patriots have scheduled a 12 p.m. ET conference call with TE Dwayne Allen today.

I dont care about pats players