Now, now, now--- if Jim Irsay isn't in a state of basic cognition capable of understanding just how damning this is and the absolute MANDATE it creates for firing Chuck immediately...

If a dude is willing to go to the length of getting surgery to throw shade at the coach...wow says a lot about the problems with the coach.

OR

If the dude was really hurt THAT bad and the coach was on tv following a game just repeatedly stating "coach's decision"... even more wow (you insolent fucking pig headed asshole...)


FIRE CHUCK NOW!

This is really fucked up. You don't just fake surgery. You don't choose to end your season and have surgery unless you are injured and... need surgery.

Was the argument between the two about Davis saying "I'm injured and your not taking it seriously" and Pagano saying "You're fine, you can get your groin fixed later, we need you to play"? Seriously, WTF is going on here?

I have a feeling this ends up costing the Colts at least one draft pick.

He's now been released.

Well, at least you can say for an absolute shit team, they're entertaining.

Just how much more of this shit is Irsay going to put up with?? Pagano is just fucking up this whole organization, he has to know that, doesn’t he ??

I like Vontae and appreciate what he's done for the Colts since arriving here, but I'm with Ballard on this one. You can't have a malcontent hanging around and trashing the team in the media at every turn. That being said, I'm sure there's lots more to this story than we can see.

I say keep this shit coming / the more the better, quicker Pagano gets fired.

Looks like I was halfway right. I didn't think they would outright release him though. smh. So long, Vontae. Thanks for being our best defensive player.
FIRE CHUCK PAGANO!

It's ridiculous that they hold a player accountable with an immediate consequence but refuse to hold a coach to the same standard. Seriously, whose presence is more damaging to the team, a locker room cancer or an utter buffoon on the sidelines? It's like Irsay can't see the forest for the trees.

This is the most infuriating aspect of Pagano's job status.

Everyone is held accountable but him.

Before this week I would have said it's 95% likely Irsay waits til the end of the season to fire Pags. After this weeks shit fest (which in all fairness wasn't all on Pags....the latest Luck drama was manufactured by Kravitz and Dan Patrick)....I think it's at least 50% likely he gets canned on the bye week, especially if we get raped by the bumble bees.

This kinda sounds like the Kevin Wilson situation at IU. I think Pagano might only be a players coach when guys are playing well and winning. We saw how quickly he threw Luck under the bus (was it last year or the year before?)

I think Chuck is starting to feel the pressure and senses the end is coming. With a likely slaughter at the hands of a real team this weekend pressure is mounting. I just hope we can find an upgrade when it is all said and done.

Still left with 2 clueless coordinators. If think firing them at this point doesn't change things because the replacements will repeat the same insanity that doesn't work.

Oh look at this from page 4 you motherfuckers!!!

Used to be "No one is held accountable", now this. You guys really need to pick a position and stick with it.

Wrong. Some people are held accountable and others aren't for no good reason whatsoever

The position is: Pagano and his staff suck balls and need replaced. What follows after that are just examples.

Look at posts from last season. Back then, your collective concern was that there wasn't accountability. That was even the case earlier this season as I recall. This is my biggest problem, there's no consistency to your argument. Every time something is addressed, all you do is move the goalposts.

I don't accept your fiat-based argument. Evidence is required.

The way I see it, when Ballard was hired, the decision was made to keep Pagano for the 2017 season and let Ballard assess the team and take needed time to get the right coach to come in at the end of the season. I'm thinking that Ballard already has his man hired verbally and he and that man are assessing the current crop of Colts players and planning the 2018 season. Hopefully, they'll have a healthy Luck to get it started in the right way. I also think that at least 40% of the roster will be gone before next year. Players now are on notice that how they do for the rest of this year will determine if they're with the club to begin next year. Even though they lost last week, I thought I saw players giving a little more than before. Maybe they realize that they're playing for a chance to be here next year. Pagano is a lame duck and I think the players know it. They're no longer playing for him, they're playing for their football lives. They still suck, but at least they're more entertaining.

I've watched the games. Who am I gonna trust? You or my lying eyes? I've never piled on you, but jeez dude, enough already.

It's not like the argument has shifted to EVERYONE IS HELD ACCOUNTABLE AND WE HATE THAT.

Guys like TJ Green, Kamar Aiken, the whole OL, etc are clearly NOT held accountable even still.

So now he's selectively choosing where to dole out accountability. As opposed to not doing it at all. Which is even worse.

That's not shifting the argument. That's calling it as we see 'em. As opposed to just fantasizing about Pagano.

I've watched the games as well, and we have differing opinions. I'm fine with leaving it at agree to disagree, but so much opinion around here is stated as fact.

It is moving the goalposts.

Most Colts fans: "We don't like that Pagano doesn't hold players accountable."

Pagano: *Starts clearly and unmistakably holding players accountable*

Most Colts fans: "We don't like the way in which Pagano is holding players accountable."

Logically, that is textbook moving the goalposts fallacy.

your problem should be the many ways pagano is the worst coach in franchise history.

not that we have many different ways to point that out.

dipshit

moving the goal posts like

"paganos hands were tied by grigson"

to now him doing the same shit without grigson

"grigson and ballard are terrible. it isn't pagano"

I haven't been critical of Ballard. He's actually made good moves for the most part thus far, but no GM could've undone all of Grigson's damage in one off-season. And no coach could've taken this roster, especially with no Luck, to the playoffs. That's not moving the goalposts, that's being aware of the talent on the roster.

No

That is making excuses for Pagano

He's schticking to the proshesh.

ok cool, so you're saying that:

Vontae told him to eat a bag of dicks and he was held accountable...
Wilson wasn't a good special teams player and was held accountable...

Pagano cant call a timeout or understand a challenge flag and crickets...
Chud cant plan for more than 1.5 quarters a game, crickets...
Green is a horrible player and has drawn incredibly stupid penalties...
Dontae Moncrief is mailing it in, crickets....
Aiken is still horrible, crickets...
Brisset holds the ball far too long before he throws it to aiken, crickets...
Philbin and Gilbert watch our OL get manhandled week after week (Gilbert for all six of Luck's seasons), crickets....



Where is the clear and unmistakable part?

I'm not as down on Moncrief as most people. I think the problem is Chud's offensive is so bad it doesn't give him much of a chance to make plays. TY Hilton can barely make any plays when Brissett is overwhelmed and has to check down to Doyle and Aiken so much. Or just gets sacked. If the money is right, I'd resign Crief. When Chud is gone, the problems will fix themselves.

moncrief got demoted for a shit sandwich (aiken)


i am not down on him either. except for his shit celebrations that he should stop

His money situation should be coming our direction now- which is a big plus. The guy has really good talent and if his head is right, you keep him for what his play will warrant on the market, should be a nice team friendly contract.

If by shit sandwich you mean bread made of shit holding meat made of shit, you would be absolutely correct. If you meant actual bread with shit, you would be wrong, but headed in the right direction.