Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 261092)

If the Panthers go Richardson or Levis, and the Texans go Young, that's the ideal scenario at this point. There's so much projection on Richardson. Could he be the next Jalen Hurts, Lamar Jackson, or Cam Newton? Sure. He's far more likely to be the next Reggie McNeal, Brad Smith, Tyrod Taylor or Trace McSorley.

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 261106)

The way a QB's front foot points when he throws a football is an objective data point. Levis's front foot, from a mechanical perspective, points the wrong way when he throws. It is a biomechanical fact. He hasn't played a down in the NFL, but most of the throws he's made in college and at the combine reflects his front foot pointing the wrong way.

Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 261100)

I’m thinking Lamar makes sense for both us and the Ravens. He will cost a fortune but so what. He is as close to a sure thing as possible.

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 261092)

If the Panthers go Richardson or Levis, and the Texans go Young, that's the ideal scenario at this point. There's so much projection on Richardson. Could he be the next Jalen Hurts, Lamar Jackson, or Cam Newton? Sure. He's far more likely to be the next Reggie McNeal, Brad Smith, Tyrod Taylor or Trace McSorley.

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 261119)

If left with Richardson and Levis to pick from who do you go with?

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 261115)

Will you stop focusing on only Levis mechanics? Mechanics can be fixed, look at what was done with Jalen Hurts.

My problem with Levis is that he sounds like he thinks he's already a finished product. If that is the case, then Levis issues can't be fixed.

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 261123)

Jalen Carter (or Will Anderson if he's somehow available) and try again next year. I believed Ballard when he said he wasn't going to pick the QB until it was the right one. Levis and Richardson are not the right one.

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 261123)

Jalen Carter (or Will Anderson if he's somehow available) and try again next year. I believed Ballard when he said he wasn't going to pick the QB until it was the right one. Levis and Richardson are not the right one.

Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 261127)

I’m not sure they can afford to punt to next year with the fan base. Hard to effectively tank the season as Irsay did and continue to say wait until next year. You could take Anderson but still need to get a QB this year.

Originally Posted by apballin (Post 261128)

A QB will be drafted this year may not be the guy you want but Richardson is the right guy in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 261104)

None of them has played a fucking down of football in the NFL, way to speculate on something you know nothing about. I wouldn't expect anything less from you however. Come talk to me at the end of the season and lets see who is wrong. I'll step right up if I am. You on the other hand, yea, like I said, you will blame it on anything other than you didn't have a fucking clue.

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 261142)

Dudes…

Originally Posted by apballin (Post 261150)

Report came out today saying there not gonna panic and there’s no Burrow/Lawrence in this draft so I don’t know what this could mean going forward

Originally Posted by apballin (Post 261144)

Not surprised Reich wants Levis

If the owner gives him his way I’ll be fuckin shocked

Originally Posted by apballin (Post 261150)

Report came out today saying there not gonna panic and there’s no Burrow/Lawrence in this draft so I don’t know what this could mean going forward

Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 261135)

he still thinks Mac Jones is a stud and Lawrence is a bust. You will never get him to admit he was wrong.

Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 261139)

Dam Wentz' problem weren't in his feet. It was between his ears. Just because two guys plant their foot the same doesn't even come close to saying they are the same quarterback.

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 261142)

Dudes…

https://i.ibb.co/JmN5V7g/C6490718-28...-A09-D1-B0.jpg

Originally Posted by apballin (Post 261150)

Report came out today saying there not gonna panic and there’s no Burrow/Lawrence in this draft so I don’t know what this could mean going forward

Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 261155)

I assume you're talking about the Colts not the Panthers. If so and if true, great. I've been approaching this draft under the impression that QB was non-negotiable for Irsay.

Preference is always to take BPA or trade down, never reach. Oh, the meltdown by fans would be so entertaining.

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 261157)

His pigeon toe affected his accuracy, and it is a mechanical flaw he still has that drastically affects his accuracy. If Levis "believes he is a finished product", that will make him Wentz 2.0. Same mechanical flaw, same attitude about it.





Of course they're going to say that after they lost the bidding war. What do you expect them to say? We're really concerned we lost out on a generational talent but we just didn't want to give up that much in a trade package?

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 261164)

They will lose their F'ing minds. It's not whether the QB will be good or not, it's draft a young QB or else.

Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 261167)

In fairness at some point they have to swing, right? Every year it’s either they aren’t good enough or we can’t afford to get there. The excuses are in some cases actually valid, but constantly saying “maybe next year” is going to alienate the fan base. It already got Reich fired. Ballard doesn’t have much rope left. If he leaves this draft without a QB he will be gone. While you will give him forever as long as he drafts decent positional players, most of the fan base won’t.

Originally Posted by apballin (Post 261144)

Not surprised Reich wants Levis

If the owner gives him his way I’ll be fuckin shocked

Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 261167)

In fairness at some point they have to swing, right? Every year it’s either they aren’t good enough or we can’t afford to get there. The excuses are in some cases actually valid, but constantly saying “maybe next year” is going to alienate the fan base. It already got Reich fired. Ballard doesn’t have much rope left. If he leaves this draft without a QB he will be gone. While you will give him forever as long as he drafts decent positional players, most of the fan base won’t.

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 261179)

They have to start swinging. Quarterbacks are notoriously to scout. Hell, San Fran got their future starter with the last pick of the draft.

You never know for sure until you see them play but you have to take a shot.

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 261115)

Will you stop focusing on only Levis mechanics? Mechanics can be fixed, look at what was done with Jalen Hurts.

My problem with Levis is that he sounds like he thinks he's already a finished product. If that is the case, then Levis issues can't be fixed.

If the Colts draft Levis and he proves humble enough to be coached tough and improve everything about his game, then I'm on board.

Obviously Stroud and Young are the most finished products right now and I think they will be good in the NFL.

I have expressed my preference in Stroud, because he is the safest pick. But that doesn't make me right though, because I haven't talked to these players and figure out who really gets what it takes to become great.

Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 261182)

I tend to agree with you on this. My question is if Will Anderson is there do you take him and hopefully get your pass rush or do you take a chance on a QB? You need both to have a realistic chance at a title.

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 261165)

Levis mechanical issues are not just limited to his pigeon toe footwork. He's also at times a heel clicker and JT O' Sullivan also pointed times where he would take a hop step before throwing a pass. Maybe just a poor QB coach, I don't know.

There is not a generational talent in this QB class, and even you know that.

Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 261182)

I tend to agree with you on this. My question is if Will Anderson is there do you take him and hopefully get your pass rush or do you take a chance on a QB? You need both to have a realistic chance at a title.

Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 261183)

The thing you have to realize about Dam (and most of us do) is that whatever he sees or thinks he sees on this film that he watches is exactly how it's going to play out in the NFL. No one will ever improve or pan out if he thinks they're going to be a bust, and if they do turn out to be a good player it's b/c of the talent around them or that they somehow get lucky every week for an entire season(s). On the other hand if any player who he thinks is going to be good but ends up being a bust then it's entirely the player's team and coaches' fault.

Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 261153)

Take Anderson or Carter & get Hooker in the 2nd. Who knows?

Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 261172)

That's undoubtedly true. But that goes to Chrome's point. The question then is do you want your GM making decisions based on the ignorant mob? We've seen enough other teams blow their loads on iffy guys.

Hopefully Irsay wouldn't fire Reich simply because the fanbase was clamoring. Hopefully he had football reasons. And hopefully the same would apply to Ballard.

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 261187)

Levis is a mechanical mess. If he's also uncoachable, he's a bust waiting to happen.

As for your other statement, I don't trust the general consensus on QB evaluations. I think Stroud and possibly Young have the potential to be top 5 QBs in the NFL.



If the Colts are at 4 with Stroud, Young, and another player off the board, but Will Anderson on the board, I think it makes sense to draft him. He's got an incredibly high floor and ceiling.



Past performance is the best indicator of future results. That's not to say a player can't improve, but why would you bake improvement into their evaluation? You can't guarantee it. Learning a new skillset at a higher level of competition is an incredibly difficult thing to do. Projection is done to determine a player's ceiling. There's a floor, too. Anthony Richardson as is fails out of the league in 2 years. Will Levis as is fails out of the league in 2 years. Bryce Young as is is likely a top 25 starter in the NFL. CJ Stroud as is is likely a top 20 starter in the NFL.

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 261191)

WTF are Young and Stroud top 5 QB's in the NFL or top 20 to 25 QB's. You have really contradicted yourself here.

Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 261186)

I think you can sell the fan base on Hooker, so you can go Anderson at 4 or trade back. What Ballard can’t do is continue to punt at QB until a great low risk option drops in his hands.

Originally Posted by apballin (Post 261194)

I can’t get on board with a 26 year old rookie

Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 261196)

At RB I’d agree. At QB I see no issue.