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JAFF 11-03-2021 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 210099)
Is Henry out for the season? I can't help but think if JT had been getting 30+ carries every game and came up lame, criticism would be filling up this message board.

Success has a thousand fathers, and failure is an orphan.

Stop it, you are making too much sense

ZionsvilleColtsFan 11-03-2021 07:49 PM

Reich
 
If Reich is horrible, then what is Ballard?

apballin 11-03-2021 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 210099)
Is Henry out for the season? I can't help but think if JT had been getting 30+ carries every game and came up lame, criticism would be filling up this message board.

Success has a thousand fathers, and failure is an orphan.

If the Colts were 6-2 and have Hines and Mack as backups I doubt it would be as bad as you think

rm1369 11-03-2021 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 210105)
If the Colts were 6-2 and have Hines and Mack as backups I doubt it would be as bad as you think

I don’t understand that logic. If running Taylor 25-30 times a game instead of 15-18 times a game is what gets you to 6-2, how are you going to win games when he’s available for no carries. If the extra 10 carries a game gets you 3 more wins, what does 15 less carries a game get you the rest of the way? 2-7?

apballin 11-03-2021 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 210107)
I don’t understand that logic. If running Taylor 25-30 times a game instead of 15-18 times a game is what gets you to 6-2, how are you going to win games when he’s available for no carries. If the extra 10 carries a game gets you 3 more wins, what does 15 less carries a game get you the rest of the way? 2-7?

We’re in a totally different situation than the Titans, I am not saying run Taylor 30 times a game I’ve never said that

So who would you say is sitting better right now the 6-2 run away AFC south leaders or Colts at 3-5 with a fresh Taylor

rm1369 11-03-2021 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 210108)
We’re in a totally different situation than the Titans, I am not saying run Taylor 30 times a game I’ve never said that

So who would you say is sitting better right now the 6-2 run away AFC south leaders or Colts at 3-5 with a fresh Taylor

It largely depends on if you believe Henry having 30 touches a game is why the Titans are 6-2 instead of 3-5. If 10 touches a game from Henry make a 3 game difference then they are just as screwed as the Colts. I don’t think the numbers work out that way though and I think the Titans have been negligent in his use. So that being the case, I’d take the Titans position. But I don’t think the difference in record is because of what you apparently do so it’s irrelevant.

apballin 11-03-2021 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 210110)
It largely depends on if you believe Henry having 30 touches a game is why the Titans are 6-2 instead of 3-5. If 10 touches a game from Henry make a 3 game difference then they are just as screwed as the Colts. I don’t think the numbers work out that way though and I think the Titans have been negligent in his use. So that being the case, I’d take the Titans position. But I don’t think the difference in record is because of what you apparently do so it’s irrelevant.

Yes I believe Henry is the sole reason they have that record, he’s their entire offense everything they do revolves around him I hope they turn into a jags or texans like team but with a cheating lying scamming rule breaking piece of shit coach I have to think they’ll still find a way to be competitive

Racehorse 11-04-2021 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 210115)
Yes I believe Henry is the sole reason they have that record, he’s their entire offense everything they do revolves around him I hope they turn into a jags or texans like team but with a cheating lying scamming rule breaking piece of shit coach I have to think they’ll still find a way to be competitive

Teams fear Henry. They do not fear others on that team. Without Henry, Tannehill will be like Dolphins Tannehill, and Brown will have more coverage on him. It really is that simple.

ChoppedWood 11-04-2021 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 210110)
It largely depends on if you believe Henry having 30 touches a game is why the Titans are 6-2 instead of 3-5. If 10 touches a game from Henry make a 3 game difference then they are just as screwed as the Colts. I don’t think the numbers work out that way though and I think the Titans have been negligent in his use. So that being the case, I’d take the Titans position. But I don’t think the difference in record is because of what you apparently do so it’s irrelevant.

So they are 6-2 because of what? Their kicker? The strength and conditioning coach? Water boy?

Henry was leading the league in rushing by like 300 going into our game and was already almost at 1,000. I am going to go with BELIEVE yes, that's my final answer.

I will also go with I BELIEVE the Colts would have a better record with a coach that wasn't fascinated with going for it when he shouldn't, going for 2 pt conversions for NO REASON, and finally, seemingly obsessed with throwing the ball in situations where one of the league's very best running backs is standing on the sidelines watching instead of chewing clock.

Reich sucks

albany ed 11-04-2021 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 210108)
We’re in a totally different situation than the Titans, I am not saying run Taylor 30 times a game I’ve never said that

So who would you say is sitting better right now the 6-2 run away AFC south leaders or Colts at 3-5 with a fresh Taylor

Let's see how the Titans do in the second half sans Henry. I have a hunch teams will key on Tannenhill and he will struggle. I also think both the Titans and the Colts (wild card) will make the playoffs, with the Colts being in a better position if Taylor is healthy. Titans may end up with a better regular season record than the Colts, but if they're one and done in the playoffs, what does their regular season matter?

rm1369 11-04-2021 08:24 AM

Let’s remember the question isn’t whether or not the Titans will miss Henry. Everyone in their right mind knows they will. The question is was it necessary for Henry to be on a historic touches pace to instill fear in defenses? And was it the sole reason they were 6-2? I think the answer is demonstrably no.

Can we agree Henry was feared last year? Good. He averaged 5 less touches per game last year. This year he was averaging 1.1 yards less per carry than last year. He was averaging 0.6 yards less per carry this year than his career average. And with the 17 game season he was on pace to set a new record for touches. Oh and with Henry at 5 less touches per game last year do you want to guess what the Titans record was last year? Yep 6-2. So I see no evidence that being on a historic pace is the reason for the Titans success.

The threat of what Henry could do is what helped get the Titans to 6-2 both years. That threat was there whether or not Henry was getting 25 touches or 30. And I believe it would have been there at 20-22 as well. I don’t have the all22 and can’t find any stats but at the game it appeared to me the Titans feared Taylor and his 18 touches per game. The one thing that eliminates the fear of a great player is them not being on the field.

rm1369 11-04-2021 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ChoppedWood (Post 210129)

I will also go with I BELIEVE the Colts would have a better record with a coach that wasn't fascinated with going for it when he shouldn't, going for 2 pt conversions for NO REASON, and finally, seemingly obsessed with throwing the ball in situations where one of the league's very best running backs is standing on the sidelines watching instead of chewing clock.

Reich sucks

So Vrabel is a genius and Reich an idiot. I get it. The Colts have went for it 12 times this season on 4th down. The Titans 11. Clearly there is the obvious difference in the aggressiveness of the two coaches.

I’m curious if you complained about Reich going for it twice on 4th down on the first TD drive or just the one time it failed?

The Colts have attempted more two point conversions than Tenn but the difference is the Baltimore game (hurt kicker that missed his prior PAT) and SF with rain and 30 mph winds. You can certainly argue both (and since both failed I’m sure you will) but I believe both were reasonable. I actually believe one of the biggest criticisms of Reich is the 2pt conversion he didn’t attempt. That should have been the end of the Titans game. One play win or lose. The momentum swung big time on that TD. They should have capitalized.

Hoopsdoc 11-05-2021 11:32 AM

I thought Reich did an outstanding job of using Taylor last night. Establish him early and often and then build from there.

apballin 11-05-2021 11:42 AM

Yea good game Reich and You made me eat my words on the shovel pass

Colts And Orioles 11-05-2021 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 210621)



I thought Reich did an outstanding job of using Taylor last night ...... establish him early and often and then build from there.



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Last night, Reich made a decision that I was OK with, BUT ONLY UNDER THOSE SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES ...... he went for it on 4th-and-goal from the opponent's 2-yardline. The Colts were up by a score of 28-10 AND they were playing a bad team that was using their 3rd-string quarterback.

If the Colts were in the same exact situation but against a better team with their 1st-string quarterback, I would have wanted Reich to choose a field goal attempt instead of going for it ...... and/or if the score was closer, then I also would have liked to see Reich choose a field goal attempt (even against a bad team.)


I would like to believe that Reich is in congruence with my thinking, and that he only went for it because of the extremely favorable circumstances. In the past, he made very questionable decisions against better teams with better quarterbacks ...... time will tell if Reich has learned from his mistakes and only went for it because of the extremely favorable conditions (an 18-point lead against a bad team with a 3rd-string quarterback), or if he would stubbornly do what he has done in the past.

o

Chromeburn 11-05-2021 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 210621)
I thought Reich did an outstanding job of using Taylor last night. Establish him early and often and then build from there.

I thought he did a great job. It was a well called game and the players were all executing well. Hines has been neglected lately also. You have to find touches for him every game as well. No excuse especially with WRs down.

I would not have gone for that one 4th down, would have kicked a field goal. But that’s him and the jets weren’t going to rally in time.

That leads to my biggest criticism. I feel like his failed 4th down tries can supply the other team with momentum. And this defense seems to fall apart the more passing the other team does. Part of managing a game is also making sure to not supply the other team with a jumpstart if they are struggling. And that is something we don’t seem to control well. When you watch a practiced veteran coach like Belichick, he does all he can to make sure you have trouble digging out of a hole. Pin you back with punting, stifle you with smothering defense. We don’t do that especially with the cushion coverage in our prevent. We also let up too early in that game.

Chromeburn 11-05-2021 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 210624)
Yea good game Reich and You made me eat my words on the shovel pass

Just as long as A-a-ron Donald isn’t on the dline when you attempt it. I’m ok with it.

Colts And Orioles 11-14-2021 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 210630)
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Last night, Reich made a decision that I was OK with, BUT ONLY UNDER THOSE SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES ...... he went for it on 4th-and-goal from the opponent's 2-yardline. The Colts were up by a score of 28-10 AND they were playing a bad team that was using their 3rd-string quarterback.

If the Colts were in the same exact situation but against a better team with their 1st-string quarterback, I would have wanted Reich to choose a field goal attempt instead of going for it ...... and/or if the score was closer, then I also would have liked to see Reich choose a field goal attempt (even against a bad team.)


I would like to believe that Reich is in congruence with my thinking, and that he only went for it because of the extremely favorable circumstances. In the past, he made very questionable decisions against better teams with better quarterbacks ...... time will tell if Reich has learned from his mistakes and only went for it because of the extremely favorable conditions (an 18-point lead against a bad team with a 3rd-string quarterback), or if he would stubbornly do what he has done in the past.

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(vs. JAGUARS, 11/14)


On 4th and a long 2 from the opponents' 5 yardline in the 1st quarter of a scoreless game, Reich chose to kick the field goal ...... so, perhaps he is learning/evolving as his head coaching career progresses.

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YDFL Commish 11-14-2021 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 211421)
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(vs. JAGUARS, 11/14)


On 4th and a long 2 from the opponents' 5 yardline in the 1st quarter of a scoreless game, Reich chose to kick the field goal ...... so, perhaps he is learning/evolving as his head coaching career progresses.

o

That was the right call instead of the usual Reich call.

JAFF 11-14-2021 06:35 PM

I am not sure I can watch next weeks game. I dont know how the colts pulled this out of their ass

YDFL Commish 11-14-2021 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 211696)
I am not sure I can watch next weeks game. I dont know how the colts pulled this out of their ass

The Jags are very good defensively. Think about it Wentz played better against them than Josh Allen did and Josh Allen is considered as top 5 QB.

Nothing came easy, but I prefer it that way, because it will further toughen our offense.

JAFF 11-14-2021 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 211712)
The Jags are very good defensively. Think about it Wentz played better against them than Josh Allen did and Josh Allen is considered as top 5 QB.

Nothing came easy, but I prefer it that way, because it will further toughen our offense.

Wentz processes things to slowly. They need to go no huddle to keep the opposing d from fun and games, or give him fewer options

IndyNorm 11-14-2021 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 211696)
I am not sure I can watch next weeks game. I dont know how the colts pulled this out of their ass

B/c we made a huge ST play and Lawrence was really bad today. He made some plays with his legs, but he missed a ton of open receivers.

IndyNorm 11-14-2021 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 211712)
The Jags are very good defensively. Think about it Wentz played better against them than Josh Allen did and Josh Allen is considered as top 5 QB.

Nothing came easy, but I prefer it that way, because it will further toughen our offense.

If you look at their entire season Jax holding Buffalo was probably more likely due to Buffalo not taking Jax seriously and/or shitting the bed on the road. Jax is ranked 27th in scoring D at 25.8 ppg and 20th in yardage D at 366 ypg. Shit, Seattle with Geno Smith at QB dropped 31 on them the week before the Buffalo game.

ChoppedWood 11-14-2021 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 211735)
If you look at their entire season Jax holding Buffalo was probably more likely due to Buffalo not taking Jax seriously and/or shitting the bed on the road. Jax is ranked 27th in scoring D at 25.8 ppg and 20th in yardage D at 366 ypg. Shit, Seattle with Geno Smith at QB dropped 31 on them the week before the Buffalo game.

This team is perpetually flawed at the coaching position(s) and isn't winning jack with these guys in charge. We have a lot of talent, we have some serious super stars, we have the goods to win any game we play. We have a high school JV level coaching staff.

Killing them on the ground, they have ZERO chance of stopping us. We get that holding penalty on I think it was Glow on the long run from JT, and Reich immediately switches gears and we start trying to throw the ball around with basically no success. Was it the first poss of the 2nd Qtr where I think we ran on 1st for 5, and then went incomplete twice in a row for a punt after? If I recall that's when all the mo' just evaporated- dude is a buzz kill as a coach. I really believe he has a problem with not getting chunk plays when expected and just starts deviating from plan trying to find a way to get 30,50, etc... when 4-6 is essentially there every play with this line. Then OF course, of freakin' course, on the goal line he has to be the crafty guy that brings in the 2nd QB and put the real QB out wide. Sooooo tricky! Then of course there is the final off possession for the Colts where the smart play would have been to run it and force them to use their TO's at the minimum, nope not super brainiac Frank, he would "fool" them with the passes instead of running; and we damn near lost as a result! Dude is a genius!

But, that said, the more horrible coach is Ebersuck. As you note, there were a lot of completions left on the field by Lawrence- lot of dudes with space and he just couldn't hit them. The worst of all though, and I admittedly was driving and couldn't watch the final drive, but listening to Venturi, it sounded as though Ebersuck was playing an even softer zone than his ever famous soft serve crap. Venturi was trying to detail that they had two TO's (thanks to Frank being the idiot he is) and that letting them catch and be tackled in bounds isn't doing anything. Further he was livid talking about how these little underneath passes were seeing 8-9, 10 yard gains because the zone was so deep there was no one around the receiver at catch, and how they weren't even doing that in the 1st half, but now, trying to prevent a touch down which would win the game, they were willingly letting them have huge chunks of yards.

In the end, it seems like there is a ton of "contrarian" psychology in this administration. Some times you just have to line up and play smart physical football, these guys really struggle with that basic concept.

Obviously we got the pivotal TO to seal it, and Venturi was astute in calling out how ridiculous it is to basically "PLAN" on getting these TO's vs just playing defense designed to stop someone. So, take the win and move on, but this team is playing from behind from the kick off because of the Reich regime.

YDFL Commish 11-14-2021 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 211717)
Wentz processes things to slowly. They need to go no huddle to keep the opposing d from fun and games, or give him fewer options

I disagree about Wentz processing slowly. Its more of a fact that our WR's can't win their matchup early in the route. Pittman can. I'm not sure about TY, because we haven't seen enough of him. But Dulin and Pascal can't unless Frank schemes something up for them.

Colts And Orioles 11-15-2021 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 211717)



Wentz processes things to slowly. They need to go no huddle to keep the opposing d from fun and games, or give him fewer options.




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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 211749)



I disagree about Wentz processing slowly. It's more of a fact that our WR's can't win their matchup early in the route. Pittman can. I'm not sure about TY, because we haven't seen enough of him. But Dulin and Pascal can't unless Frank schemes something up for them.



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I remember when Daryle Lamonica, Ken Stabler, and Jim Plunkett had all day behind the offensive line of the Oakland Raiders that was blocking for them ...... their processing ability was just fine.

On the other end of the spectrum, I remember when Peyton Manning barely had time to blink when the Broncos played the Seahawks in the Super Bowl ...... his processing ability was awful that day.

o

Spike 11-15-2021 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 211749)
I disagree about Wentz processing slowly. Its more of a fact that our WR's can't win their matchup early in the route. Pittman can. I'm not sure about TY, because we haven't seen enough of him. But Dulin and Pascal can't unless Frank schemes something up for them.

Add in the fact that the O-line didn't pass block worth a shit and it is easy to blame Wentz. Thank God Wentz has mobility or we would really be screwed. I will say that with the 2 main options the Colts had, they chose Wentz over Darnold and that was easily a win, Darnold is garbage.

YDFL Commish 11-15-2021 03:32 PM

I will say though, that the 15 yard catch by Granson was a thing of beauty. The route he ran was so Dallas Clark like.

Chromeburn 11-15-2021 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 211749)
I disagree about Wentz processing slowly. Its more of a fact that our WR's can't win their matchup early in the route. Pittman can. I'm not sure about TY, because we haven't seen enough of him. But Dulin and Pascal can't unless Frank schemes something up for them.

Pittman is getting open 10th most in the league against man coverage. That is 50% of his routes. And against press coverage he gets open the most in the league at 46.9%

Colts And Orioles 11-28-2021 03:55 PM

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(vs. BUCCANEERS, 11/28)


Just before halftime, I did not like the call on 3rd down and 1 from the Buccaneers' 4 yard-line ...... they could have fairly easily gotten the 1st down by having Wentz run the ball himself. The Colts had 2 timeouts left, so time would not have been a factor of they had been tackled in-bounds by running the ball.

I'm glad that they it on 4th down, but they did not need to be in that position in the first place.



I love it when Reich's daringness on 4th down works ...... not so much when it doesn't work, like in last year's playoff game against the Bills.

Like l albany ed l has said on numerous occasions, l "Success has many fathers, failure is an orphan."

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nate505 11-28-2021 05:22 PM

Reich was lousy today. Actually he was decent in the first half, but why he went so far away from the run in the 2nd is a total mystery.

Dewey 5 11-28-2021 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by nate505 (Post 213625)
Reich was lousy today. Actually he was decent in the first half, but why he went so far away from the run in the 2nd is a total mystery.

Today? He's been lousy most of the season

ChoppedWood 11-28-2021 05:58 PM

In all my years of watching this game, I can safely say I have never seen a coach who is more incapable of trusting his players to just make plays.

For weeks he has seen what this OL and JT has done. Hell, yeah they stopped us several times at the line, there were also a couple "punchy" runs against that stacked box that showed we could make gains if we would commit to it.

He cannot do it, he simply can't.

It is legitimately the "I am smarter than them" mentality and it is killing this team. We lose games simply because this man refuses to let playmakers be play makers. I've said it repeatedly, Emmit Smith wasn't the best RB of all time. Jimmy Johnson wasn't the best coach of all time. Together they dominated teams. Jimmy recognized it did not matter what the other team had, he had a line filled with HOF guys and a damn good running back. So he used that to batter people until they folded. It was there for us to do today, but this fu-cking jack ass won't let himself do it.

This team WILL NOT EVER win a title with this guy calling the plays. He is too full of his own smarts to be smart.

F U
Frank

FU!

Thorgrim 11-28-2021 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ChoppedWood (Post 213658)
In all my years of watching this game, I can safely say I have never seen a coach who is more incapable of trusting his players to just make plays.

For weeks he has seen what this OL and JT has done. Hell, yeah they stopped us several times at the line, there were also a couple "punchy" runs against that stacked box that showed we could make gains if we would commit to it.

He cannot do it, he simply can't.

It is legitimately the "I am smarter than them" mentality and it is killing this team. We lose games simply because this man refuses to let playmakers be play makers. I've said it repeatedly, Emmit Smith wasn't the best RB of all time. Jimmy Johnson wasn't the best coach of all time. Together they dominated teams. Jimmy recognized it did not matter what the other team had, he had a line filled with HOF guys and a damn good running back. So he used that to batter people until they folded. It was there for us to do today, but this fu-cking jack ass won't let himself do it.

This team WILL NOT EVER win a title with this guy calling the plays. He is too full of his own smarts to be smart.

F U
Frank

FU!

You summed it up perfectly. Imagine how crushing it must be to play for a man who has no confidence in you to do your job despite the fact you have demonstrated the skill to do in the past.

Lov2fish 11-28-2021 06:39 PM

A 9-3 team coached by a 6-6 coach.

apballin 11-28-2021 07:00 PM

Can’t blame Reich for the huge fumble by Wentz and Hines that were game changers

rm1369 11-28-2021 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 213690)
Can’t blame Reich for the huge fumble by Wentz and Hines that were game changers

Reich gets the blame for every loss and every pass play that isn’t successful. Guys are against becoming one dimensional unless that one dimension is running. The sack / fumble obviously should have been a run. Same with the interception. Now the long bomb to Dulin was a good play call of course.

ChoppedWood 11-28-2021 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 213702)
Reich gets the blame for every loss and every pass play that isn’t successful. Guys are against becoming one dimensional unless that one dimension is running. The sack / fumble obviously should have been a run. Same with the interception. Now the long bomb to Dulin was a good play call of course.

Reich gets the blame for being the pig headed dumb fu-ck that he is. He does not coach wins, he coaches losses. He is the single biggest problem this team has. Subtract him, and we have 3 losses and are looking for the # 1 seed in the playoffs.

F Frank Reich

apballin 11-28-2021 07:48 PM

We can’t run Taylor into the ground there has to be some balance let’s be honest


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