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Puck 01-25-2021 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 185222)
I’m pretty sure he will be. Lack of athleticism will hurt him. But it’s still early in the draft processs. Long way to go. Hopefully there is a combine.

It’s also senior bowl week. This will be a more important senior bowl than usual bc of covid.

A sleeper QB to keep an eye on is Felipe Frank’s of Arkansas. A transfer from Florida.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2021/i...rrated-players

The sleeper that no one talks about is Jaime Newman. That kid might be very special!!

Puck 01-25-2021 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 185243)
The sleeper that no one talks about is Jaime Newman. That kid might be very special!!

Just saw on NFL.com that Newman will play in the Senior bowl Saturday. Watch him. I think he's dropped draft wise because he didn't play this yr and could be a 3rd rounder But might rise quickly after this game. I think he is the 3rd best QB in the draft behind Lawerence and Wilson.

apballin 01-25-2021 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 185235)
@LockedOnColts
"With his relationship with previous owner Martha Firestone Ford + her daughter, current owner Sheila Ford Hamp, I think they want to take care of him. They want to make him happy. They love him."

@DerySpeaks believes if Stafford has a preferred team, Detroit will oblige. #Colts

Why would the Colts be his preferred team?

Spike 01-25-2021 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 185247)
Just saw on NFL.com that Newman will play in the Senior bowl Saturday. Watch him. I think he's dropped draft wise because he didn't play this yr and could be a 3rd rounder But might rise quickly after this game. I think he is the 3rd best QB in the draft behind Lawerence and Wilson.

I agree and actually like Wilson even more than Fields. Looking forward to seeing Newman in action this Saturday.

Puck 01-25-2021 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 185251)
Why would the Colts be his preferred team?

Why wouldn't the Colts be? Seriously.

apballin 01-25-2021 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 185255)
Why wouldn't the Colts be? Seriously.

Saints? 49ers? Just to name a couple not to mention our draft position which I’m sure the lions will take into account

Puck 01-25-2021 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 185258)
Saints? 49ers? Just to name a couple not to mention our draft position which I’m sure the lions will take into account

Saint can't afford their own players let alone a new QB. Niners also have to figure out what to do with Jimmy! Unless you think they should have a 25 million $ back up which I know you were against with us having JB.

Colts are easily his best option.

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 01-25-2021 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 185261)
Niners also have to figure out what to do with Jimmy! Unless you think they should have a 25 million $ back up which I know you were against with us having JB.


The Niners could just cut Garoppolo. They structured his contract in a way that there is very little dead cap money if he is cut in the final 2 years of his deal. Like $2.8MM dead cap this year, $1.4MM dead cap in 2022. They would add $24-25 million to their cap space in 2021 and 2022 if they cut him.

Dam8610 01-26-2021 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 185222)
I’m pretty sure he will be. Lack of athleticism will hurt him. But it’s still early in the draft processs. Long way to go. Hopefully there is a combine.

It’s also senior bowl week. This will be a more important senior bowl than usual bc of covid.

A sleeper QB to keep an eye on is Felipe Frank’s of Arkansas. A transfer from Florida.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2021/i...rrated-players

They already said combine would be done remotely with no drills or tests. Teams will have to go to pro days for test numbers.

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 185258)
Saints? 49ers? Just to name a couple not to mention our draft position which I’m sure the lions will take into account

Of those two and the Colts, I think the Colts are the most balanced and complete team.

apballin 01-26-2021 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 185266)
They already said combine would be done remotely with no drills or tests. Teams will have to go to pro days for test numbers.



Of those two and the Colts, I think the Colts are the most balanced and complete team.

No way Colts are more complete than the Saints And once again Lions are gonna have a say in this

Dam8610 01-26-2021 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 185267)
No way Colts are more complete than the Saints And once again Lions are gonna have a say in this

Saints have a later draft pick and are in the same conference. Also, what positions do you think the Saints are better than the Colts at?

apballin 01-26-2021 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 185268)
Saints have a later draft pick and are in the same conference. Also, what positions do you think the Saints are better than the Colts at?

All skill positions on offense except offensive line, not to mention the coaching difference. Who would you rather play for Sean Payton or Reich?

Dam8610 01-26-2021 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 185270)
All skill positions on offense except offensive line, not to mention the coaching difference. Who would you rather play for Sean Payton or Reich?

I'd rate the coaching about equal, honestly. Reich has done a lot with a little in 3 years. Also, I understand Kamara is great, but the Colts trio of Taylor, Hines, and Wilkins is more diverse and better overall than the Saints RB group. And TEs? Doyle and Alie-Cox beats what the Saints have. The Saints definitely have a better WR corps, but that's it. And we haven't even brought up defense.

Chaka 01-26-2021 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 185263)
The Niners could just cut Garoppolo. They structured his contract in a way that there is very little dead cap money if he is cut in the final 2 years of his deal. Like $2.8MM dead cap this year, $1.4MM dead cap in 2022. They would add $24-25 million to their cap space in 2021 and 2022 if they cut him.

You are correct. The 49ers could be a player for Stafford. Still not as much cap space as us, though, and I don't think the team that acquires him will get his current contract. They'll be a renegotiation that gives Stafford more money than that (though maybe in future years). And remember, the 49ers couldn't afford Buckner last year.

Chaka 01-26-2021 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 185268)
Saints have a later draft pick and are in the same conference. Also, what positions do you think the Saints are better than the Colts at?

The Saints are also currently more than $112M over next year's salary cap.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-orleans-saints/

JAFF 01-26-2021 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Chaka (Post 185275)
The Saints are also currently more than $112M over next year's salary cap.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-orleans-saints/

Its all monopoly $$, half of that is brees

Chaka 01-26-2021 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 185282)
Its all monopoly $$, half of that is brees

Brees is scheduled to count $36.1M against the Saints' cap next year. Even if he retires, he'll still count $22.65M against the cap, so he can only provide $13.5M in cap relief. This will still leave the Saints about $100M over the cap.

albany ed 01-26-2021 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Chaka (Post 185290)
Brees is scheduled to count $36.1M against the Saints' cap next year. Even if he retires, he'll still count $22.65M against the cap, so he can only provide $13.5M in cap relief. This will still leave the Saints about $100M over the cap.

There are two Saints the Colts could use. CB Lattimore and LT Terron Armstead. Both of these guys could be traded and save the Saints mucho dinero. And, since they're going to lose them to FA soon enough, why not get something for them? Might not cost that much since they may be lost to free agency soon enough.

apballin 01-26-2021 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 185271)
I'd rate the coaching about equal, honestly. Reich has done a lot with a little in 3 years. Also, I understand Kamara is great, but the Colts trio of Taylor, Hines, and Wilkins is more diverse and better overall than the Saints RB group. And TEs? Doyle and Alie-Cox beats what the Saints have. The Saints definitely have a better WR corps, but that's it. And we haven't even brought up defense.

I wouldn’t give up a first for Stafford, that’s too much for an aging beat up guy

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 01-26-2021 12:08 PM

Al Breer had a Stafford / Indy write-up in his latest SI column. I excerpted the comments below; you can click on the link if you want to read the entire article.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/01/25/mm...wl-daily-cover

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Indianapolis seems like the natural landing spot for Stafford. The question, then, becomes whether GM Chris Ballard and coach Frank Reich would see Stafford as a Band-Aid or more than that. The team went with a Band-Aid last year, in Rivers, after taking a shot with Jacoby Brissett in 2019 (and that was after Jimmy Garoppolo’s name briefly came up in the DeForest Buckner trade talks with San Francisco). Might they want to fix the position once and for all? I think that would be preferable. You could point to the Buckner trade as an example of Ballard being aggressive in the way he’d have to be on Stafford—but Buckner’s 26 and a definite long-term cornerstone. My guess would be that is what Ballard’s looking for. Maybe Stafford is that. Or maybe a big move up in the draft gets him there. Remember, Ballard was part of the vetting of Mahomes in Kansas City and saw the benefit of going all in on a young player at the position and dropping him into a readymade situation. Only he knows if there’s a quarterback in this year’s draft class that he sees like the Chiefs’ folks saw Mahomes in 2017. But if there is one, I’d bet he wouldn’t be scared to move way up the draft board, get a cost-controlled young passer and use the leftover cap space to start paying the guys they’ve been building around (like Quenton Nelson and Darius Leonard).

Chaka 01-26-2021 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 185293)
There are two Saints the Colts could use. CB Lattimore and LT Terron Armstead. Both of these guys could be traded and save the Saints mucho dinero. And, since they're going to lose them to FA soon enough, why not get something for them? Might not cost that much since they may be lost to free agency soon enough.

If we traded for these players under their current contracts, we'd be taking on about $10M each under our 2021 cap. That's the biggest issue I can see. Beyond a QB and maybe a LT, I don't expect the Colts to spend much of their 2021 cap money on free agents this year. Their cap management is what allowed us to get Buckner last year, and which gives us the flexibility to be able to get a QB like Stafford this year. Plus, we have lots of upcoming free agents we'll have to plan for, like Leonard and Nelson for starters.

Oldcolt 01-26-2021 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaka (Post 185303)
If we traded for these players under their current contracts, we'd be taking on about $10M each under our 2021 cap. That's the biggest issue I can see. Beyond a QB and maybe a LT, I don't expect the Colts to spend much of their 2021 cap money on free agents this year. Their cap management is what allowed us to get Buckner last year, and which gives us the flexibility to be able to get a QB like Stafford this year. Plus, we have lots of upcoming free agents we'll have to plan for, like Leonard and Nelson for starters.

I cannot see Ballard trading for those guys. He is a patient guy. If he wants a veteran LT I believe he waits until cuts are made or free agency starts. There are numerous ways he could go to get an adequate LT. With his emphasis on the line being the back bone of a team and LT being the most important position on the line, it will be interesting to see how he goes about filling it. I have confidence he will get it done.

Chromeburn 01-26-2021 03:35 PM

Rumors starting that the pats may go after Stafford as well.

I saw trade scenarios. We either give up picks or picks plus talent. 1070 mentioned a first and Leonard. I would hate that trade. Our biggest playmaker on defense.

But this is going to be a crapshoot draft. No combine. Less tape and testing of players. Going to be a lot of busts in this draft. Might be a good one to trade picks from.

Oldcolt 01-26-2021 04:34 PM

I agree on this draft being a crap shoot. I'm not sure what that means however. I would like it to mean that the better draft evaluators will have an even bigger advantage. Putting together a good team to evaluate talent seems to be one of Ballards talents. Might work in our favor to keep those picks.

Spike 01-26-2021 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 185317)
Rumors starting that the pats may go after Stafford as well.

I saw trade scenarios. We either give up picks or picks plus talent. 1070 mentioned a first and Leonard. I would hate that trade. Our biggest playmaker on defense.

But this is going to be a crapshoot draft. No combine. Less tape and testing of players. Going to be a lot of busts in this draft. Might be a good one to trade picks from.

Stafford going to the Patsies would be terrible for him. Bellicheat can't draft a wide receiver to save his life. Brady wanted out of there, and the Lions would be doing Stafford a great disservice sending him there.

Also don't want to give Leonard away, more draft picks, maybe, but no way on Leonard.

Chromeburn 01-26-2021 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 185323)
I agree on this draft being a crap shoot. I'm not sure what that means however. I would like it to mean that the better draft evaluators will have an even bigger advantage. Putting together a good team to evaluate talent seems to be one of Ballards talents. Might work in our favor to keep those picks.

It just means there will be less data to make evaluations from and probably more mistakes made when drafting. The players that will suffer the most are the small school players. Will be more UDFA surprises I am sure.

Chromeburn 01-26-2021 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 185324)
Stafford going to the Patsies would be terrible for him. Bellicheat can't draft a wide receiver to save his life. Brady wanted out of there, and the Lions would be doing Stafford a great disservice sending him there.

Also don't want to give Leonard away, more draft picks, maybe, but no way on Leonard.

I heard that he doesn't like Patricia also. I wonder how much say he actually has in the trade though.

YDFL Commish 01-26-2021 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 185326)
I heard that he doesn't like Patricia also. I wonder how much say he actually has in the trade though.

I believe that they can't trade him unless he agrees on the team.

rcubed 01-26-2021 05:32 PM

No trading leonard. Besides losing a great player, they would lose the locker room. Ballard is smarter than that.


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Spike 01-26-2021 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 185335)
No trading leonard. Besides losing a great player, they would lose the locker room. Ballard is smarter than that.


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My thoughts exactly. Hell no to trading Leonard!

Chromeburn 01-26-2021 05:51 PM

Reading the tea leaves I think we are targeting Stafford. Kevin on Kevin's corner said Reich was obsessed with this throw Stafford made to Golladay in this comeback. Stafford has a lot of comebacks under his belt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSVB79H1Hq8

Hoopsdoc 01-26-2021 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 185317)
Rumors starting that the pats may go after Stafford as well.

I saw trade scenarios. We either give up picks or picks plus talent. 1070 mentioned a first and Leonard. I would hate that trade. Our biggest playmaker on defense.

But this is going to be a crapshoot draft. No combine. Less tape and testing of players. Going to be a lot of busts in this draft. Might be a good one to trade picks from.

Not just no, HELL no. I mean, hang up the phone no.

I would hope Darius Leonard would be as close to untouchable as anyone they have, outside of maybe Nelson and Buckner.

nate505 01-26-2021 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 185317)
Rumors starting that the pats may go after Stafford as well.

I saw trade scenarios. We either give up picks or picks plus talent. 1070 mentioned a first and Leonard. I would hate that trade. Our biggest playmaker on defense.

But this is going to be a crapshoot draft. No combine. Less tape and testing of players. Going to be a lot of busts in this draft. Might be a good one to trade picks from.

Trading Leonard? If Ballard doesn't tell them to fuck off, hang the phone up, call them back and tell them to fuck off again, then I'm not sure I can remain a Colts fan... And I've been for 30 years or so.

Chromeburn 01-26-2021 11:20 PM

Relax guys. One of the radio announcers made the suggestion. I don’t think it’s going to happen. But I think the point is there will be some competition for Stafford. And we need capital to trade. I don’t know if Ballard will get into a bidding war for him though. He seems to have a price in his head and won’t go over it.

Pff weighs in
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-matthew...-detroit-lions

Chromeburn 01-27-2021 05:37 PM

According to John Clayton

Colts are Stafford’s number one choice.

Dewey 5 01-27-2021 06:27 PM

Rumors will fly probably every day but according to this the 49ers have the inside edge right now.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thespun...ford-trade/amp

apballin 01-27-2021 06:34 PM

Ah fuck Stafford watch has began, bunch of bs how every team the front runner

Mr. Session 01-27-2021 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by nate505 (Post 185360)
Trading Leonard? If Ballard doesn't tell them to fuck off, hang the phone up, call them back and tell them to fuck off again, then I'm not sure I can remain a Colts fan... And I've been for 30 years or so.

Give everyone here the fucking phone number so we can do that too.

God, that would be disgusting.

Dam8610 01-27-2021 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 185317)
Rumors starting that the pats may go after Stafford as well.

I saw trade scenarios. We either give up picks or picks plus talent. 1070 mentioned a first and Leonard. I would hate that trade. Our biggest playmaker on defense.

But this is going to be a crapshoot draft. No combine. Less tape and testing of players. Going to be a lot of busts in this draft. Might be a good one to trade picks from.

LOL Trade Leonard. That's not happening.

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 185427)
According to John Clayton

Colts are Stafford’s number one choice.

Good. Go get him Ballard.

Spike 01-27-2021 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 185436)
Rumors will fly probably every day but according to this the 49ers have the inside edge right now.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thespun...ford-trade/amp

Crapallo is set to make $26.9 million in 2021 and it will only cost them 2.8 million if they cut him. The 49ers are the top team that scares me regarding Stafford.


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