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Luck4Reich 05-04-2019 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 119355)
Urban Meyer's offenses rarely take shots down the field. How many NFL QB's have his offenses produced?

Alex Smith, and it took years for him to develop and has never been known as a downfield passer.

Campbell will not have a problem getting open deep.


From what I saw Campbell helped his QB out a lot. I think he and Luck will complement each other nicely.

Luck4Reich 05-04-2019 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 119349)
I think he will be ok. Dorsett was soft. He just didn’t work enough to get open and get yac. You can tell Campbell was a rb before. He runs like it after the catch. Also he can contribute right away in the short passing game and screen game, sweeps etc. As he develops as a receiver in other areas.

One thing that concerned me was he only caught one pass over 20 yards. But he was so ridiculously effective in his role, they didn’t need him to, anyway, he is a few years away from being a complete receiver. But he should have an impact on certain plays right away.

He will be getting the ball thrown to him from a proven NFL QB in Luck. I'm not sold on Haskins at all. Campbell should thrive with Luck at QB

DrSpaceman 05-05-2019 10:05 AM

Interview yesterday I heard on ESPN, specifically asked about the Colts draft class and the main thing they mentioned is all these guys have speed, the team should be much faster on offense and defense.

I love the combination of TY and Campbell. I think they will be challenging to cover both, will be much harder to double up on TY making sure he doesn't beat a team deep when you have Campbell to consider as well

Throw in then Doyle/Ebron at TE to consider as well and it becomes a match up nightmare for the defenses.

Puck 05-05-2019 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DrSpaceman (Post 119392)
Interview yesterday I heard on ESPN, specifically asked about the Colts draft class and the main thing they mentioned is all these guys have speed, the team should be much faster on offense and defense.

I love the combination of TY and Campbell. I think they will be challenging to cover both, will be much harder to double up on TY making sure he doesn't beat a team deep when you have Campbell to consider as well

Throw in then Doyle/Ebron at TE to consider as well and it becomes a match up nightmare for the defenses.

Dont forget Cain . He ran a 4.43 at combine. I know that is per injury but if he can run a 4.4 he is probably faster than TY right now. TY was a 4.3 guy at combine but I assume he is not that fast now.

Be scary to see all 3 on the field at the same time.

Obviously if Cain comes back healthy.

YDFL Commish 05-05-2019 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DrSpaceman (Post 119392)
Interview yesterday I heard on ESPN, specifically asked about the Colts draft class and the main thing they mentioned is all these guys have speed, the team should be much faster on offense and defense.

I love the combination of TY and Campbell. I think they will be challenging to cover both, will be much harder to double up on TY making sure he doesn't beat a team deep when you have Campbell to consider as well

Throw in then Doyle/Ebron at TE to consider as well and it becomes a match up nightmare for the defenses.

I would throw Hines into that equation as well. Can you imagine 1st down and a team in it's base defense, with Hines and Campbell both lined up in the backfield?

What if they both ran wheel routes? How the fuck does the defense cover that?

Chromeburn 05-05-2019 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Luck4Reich (Post 119370)
He will be getting the ball thrown to him from a proven NFL QB in Luck. I'm not sold on Haskins at all. Campbell should thrive with Luck at QB

Haskins was a solid college QB and a great deep ball thrower. It wasn’t the QB. I would probably blame how they used him if anything.

Chromeburn 05-05-2019 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 119393)
Dont forget Cain . He ran a 4.43 at combine. I know that is per injury but if he can run a 4.4 he is probably faster than TY right now. TY was a 4.3 guy at combine but I assume he is not that fast now.

Be scary to see all 3 on the field at the same time.

Obviously if Cain comes back healthy.

Curious to see if Fountain has developed more. He is a great athlete also.

JAFF 05-05-2019 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 119393)
Dont forget Cain . He ran a 4.43 at combine. I know that is per injury but if he can run a 4.4 he is probably faster than TY right now. TY was a 4.3 guy at combine but I assume he is not that fast now.

Be scary to see all 3 on the field at the same time.

Obviously if Cain comes back healthy.

TY was getting behind guys all last year on a bum leg. He's still got some go in him

Luck4Reich 05-05-2019 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 119397)
Haskins was a solid college QB and a great deep ball thrower. It wasn’t the QB. I would probably blame how they used him if anything.

Yes, while true , a lot of solid college QBs never make it or prove to be an NFL QB. Haskins may but Luck already is.

Puck 05-05-2019 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 119417)
TY was getting behind guys all last year on a bum leg. He's still got some go in him

Oh I agree. But still don’t think he has a 4.3 in him But he is plenty fast enough

Crazy to think TY might be the slow guy

smitty46953 05-05-2019 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 119420)
Oh I agree. But still don’t think he has a 4.3 in him But he is plenty fast enough

Crazy to think TY might be the slow guy

Other teams will probably think same thing !!! :cool:

JAFF 05-06-2019 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 119420)
Oh I agree. But still don’t think he has a 4.3 in him But he is plenty fast enough

Crazy to think TY might be the slow guy

I don't care about a number. 4.3 in shorts doesn't mean much, if you can't evade the D.

TY makes PLAYS. He has more 150 yard games than anyone in Colt history, because he has game speed. When it counts. He's the only proven WR the Colts have and while injured he still got behind defenses.

When the kid from OSU makes plays against NFL defenses, I'll be impressed.

YDFL Commish 05-06-2019 05:19 PM

Here are the 40 times for our major weapons:

TY Hilton 4.34, Pro Day
Parris Campbell 4.31, Combine
Nyheim Hines 4.38, Combine
Marlon Mack 4.50, Combine
Eric Ebron 4.60, Combine

I think we got some guys that can run Freaks.

Dam8610 05-06-2019 07:57 PM

S Khari Willis, MSU

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2...unds&auto=webp

Strengths
Excels in both man and zone coverage. Quick diagnosis of plays puts him in good position on most plays. Reads QB's eyes for clues and will occasionally jump throws as a result, especially on short and intermediate routes. Sticks to his man in coverage usually, and contests most balls thrown in his direction. Relentless motor, does not give up on plays and puts himself in positions to succeed as a result. Takes good angles in pursuit and rarely lets a receiver get behind him. Play speed is fine.

Weaknesses
Needs to improve functional play strength and block shedding ability, blocked too often by WRs. Far too many missed tackles in the open field, especially against the run. Gets too aggressive against the run at times and will overpursue and take himself out of the play.

Other
Team Captain. Academic All Big Ten. Was Keynote Speaker at Big Ten Kickoff Luncheon 2018.

Player Comparison
Harrison Smith

Dam8610 05-06-2019 08:08 PM

The interesting thing to me about Banogu, Okereke, Willis, and Tell (who I've only read about, not yet watched) is that all of these guys seem to have functional play strength and tackling issues. The Colts must have confidence in their strength and conditioning staff and coaching staff to get that specific issue fixed, because the other trait all of those players share is an ability to fly around the field and make plays.

Also interesting to note, the film I watched on Khari Willis indicates a much different player than I read about in scouting reports. He's a strong safety in that I don't think he should be playing deep zone often, but he's not terrible at it, and he's actually really good in coverage. He's also not nearly the enforcer scouting reports will lead you to believe. He'll get hard hits in on receivers and tight ends, but while he's willing in run support, he's not the best at it and will need to improve that aspect of his game.

Chromeburn 05-07-2019 01:09 PM

Early word out of rookie minicamp:

Campbell looks like the best player on the field and is catching everything thrown at him. Short, intermediate, and deep passes.

Khari Willis looks very good in one on one drills.

Let the overreaction and hype begin.

Luck4Reich 05-07-2019 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 119559)
Early word out of rookie minicamp:

Campbell looks like the best player on the field and is catching everything thrown at him. Short, intermediate, and deep passes.

Khari Willis looks very good in one on one drills.

Let the overreaction and hype begin.

Superbowl Bitches!!:cool:

DrSpaceman 05-08-2019 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 119559)
Early word out of rookie minicamp:

Campbell looks like the best player on the field and is catching everything thrown at him. Short, intermediate, and deep passes.

Khari Willis looks very good in one on one drills.

Let the overreaction and hype begin.

Superbowl!!

19-0!!

Chromeburn 05-08-2019 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 119513)
The interesting thing to me about Banogu, Okereke, Willis, and Tell (who I've only read about, not yet watched) is that all of these guys seem to have functional play strength and tackling issues. The Colts must have confidence in their strength and conditioning staff and coaching staff to get that specific issue fixed, because the other trait all of those players share is an ability to fly around the field and make plays.

Also interesting to note, the film I watched on Khari Willis indicates a much different player than I read about in scouting reports. He's a strong safety in that I don't think he should be playing deep zone often, but he's not terrible at it, and he's actually really good in coverage. He's also not nearly the enforcer scouting reports will lead you to believe. He'll get hard hits in on receivers and tight ends, but while he's willing in run support, he's not the best at it and will need to improve that aspect of his game.

I think a lot of those media scouting reports suffer from group think. A few people probably set the evaluation and it spreads. I wonder how many just copy evaluations from someone else. Or many of them just go to the same sources for the evaluations. Kind of like eyeglasses. Only a few companies in China make eyeglasses then they just slap whatever logo on it at the end.

Pez 05-08-2019 03:15 PM

If half these picks pan out and we were the 11th best defense last year.... well... holy crap. I'm having a very hard time controlling my enthusiasm.

Justin Houston isn't perfect and is perhaps past prime, but should be significant competition behind hunt and sheard.

Really excited about Ya-Sin at corner. Speed, Okereke, Banogu at LB next to Leonard.

2004, 2005 I remember the defense being so fun to watch, again enthusiasm issues.

Oldcolt 05-08-2019 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pez (Post 119647)
If half these picks pan out and we were the 11th best defense last year.... well... holy crap. I'm having a very hard time controlling my enthusiasm.

Justin Houston isn't perfect and is perhaps past prime, but should be significant competition behind hunt and sheard.

Really excited about Ya-Sin at corner. Speed, Okereke, Banogu at LB next to Leonard.

2004, 2005 I remember the defense being so fun to watch, again enthusiasm issues.

Completely agree. It's been a very long time since I've actually been excited about a Colt defense. The last Colt defense I felt confident about as being able to dominate might have been 1969. I've got early baby inklings that might happen here.

Pez 05-08-2019 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 119653)
Completely agree. It's been a very long time since I've actually been excited about a Colt defense. The last Colt defense I felt confident about as being able to dominate might have been 1969. I've got early baby inklings that might happen here.

Even my guarded and uninformed perceptions are the Ballard killed this draft. Is it really conceivable that we will end the year with a top 5 defense?

This takes so much pressure off Luck and the rest of the offense where we have improved as well, especially at WR where I'm looking forward to Campbell's rookie season as well as getting Cain and Doyle back, Mo Allie-Cox's sophomore season, Fun Cheese...

YDFL Commish 05-08-2019 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 119653)
Completely agree. It's been a very long time since I've actually been excited about a Colt defense. The last Colt defense I felt confident about as being able to dominate might have been 1969. I've got early baby inklings that might happen here.

The '71 defense was pretty damn good.

GoBigBlue88 05-08-2019 11:34 PM

I love the draft from a skillset position, but guys, we're looking at Ya-Sin competing for a starting spot (not given) and Banogu/Okereke being rotational players. Everyone else (on defense) is depth with potential and bolsters special teams play. Let's just be careful about expecting much from Speed, Tell etc. this year.

I think the upside is more: special teams +++, a few guys allow them to be more multiple in packages, and this team can now maybe survive a 2-3 week Darius Leonard absence if need be. I don't think this is a top 10 defense yet, especially facing the QBs they will. Maybe next year, if players develop!

Racehorse 05-09-2019 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88 (Post 119681)
I love the draft from a skillset position, but guys, we're looking at Ya-Sin competing for a starting spot (not given) and Banogu/Okereke being rotational players. Everyone else (on defense) is depth with potential and bolsters special teams play. Let's just be careful about expecting much from Speed, Tell etc. this year.

I think the upside is more: special teams +++, a few guys allow them to be more multiple in packages, and this team can now maybe survive a 2-3 week Darius Leonard absence if need be. I don't think this is a top 10 defense yet, especially facing the QBs they will. Maybe next year, if players develop!

Not so fast! We will go 23-0, not even losing a preseason game. This team will cut players on the first cutdown that would start for any other team.

VeveJones007 05-09-2019 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88 (Post 119681)
I love the draft from a skillset position, but guys, we're looking at Ya-Sin competing for a starting spot (not given) and Banogu/Okereke being rotational players. Everyone else (on defense) is depth with potential and bolsters special teams play. Let's just be careful about expecting much from Speed, Tell etc. this year.

I think the upside is more: special teams +++, a few guys allow them to be more multiple in packages, and this team can now maybe survive a 2-3 week Darius Leonard absence if need be. I don't think this is a top 10 defense yet, especially facing the QBs they will. Maybe next year, if players develop!

I think the difference between a defense ranked 11-15 and one ranked in the top 10 will be Turay & Lewis. Hopefully those two take a step up.

JAFF 05-09-2019 03:58 PM

If he hits on half of his picks, it will be a very good draft.

Pez 05-09-2019 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 119700)
I think the difference between a defense ranked 11-15 and one ranked in the top 10 will be Turay & Lewis. Hopefully those two take a step up.

Really dig on turay. Could be a high end player long term for us. This kind of thing is what the coming season nd next will allow us to start judging, how good is this regime at player development? Can Leonard get better? Can Walker get better. What did they do with Cain in the off season or is he still a rookie? What are we going to see from ebron now that he has confidence....

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Luck4Reich 05-09-2019 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pez (Post 119757)
Really dig on turay. Could be a high end player long term for us. This kind of thing is what the coming season nd next will allow us to start judging, how good is this regime at player development? Can Leonard get better? Can Walker get better. What did they do with Cain in the off season or is he still a rookie? What are we going to see from ebron now that he has confidence....

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If just One of Turay or Lewis make a big jump it will be huge! I hope both can but dont expect both to make big ones. One of them would be great!

Discflinger 05-09-2019 11:03 PM

I think Lewis played solid. Just worry about him with injuries. Turay just needs some confidence and he can play without second guessing himself.

YDFL Commish 05-10-2019 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Discflinger (Post 119785)
I think Lewis played solid. Just worry about him with injuries. Turay just needs some confidence and he can play without second guessing himself.

Confidence comes from production.


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