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DrSpaceman 12-31-2018 01:01 PM

Only other run, besides the fumble, I would criticize Mack on was a play in the red zone, looked like he had a wipe open path outside to the left and he seemed slow to make the turn or the edge ended up getting about 10 yards but I think it could have gone for longer or even a TD, I think they were at about the 20.

There was a similar play last game where he was slow to hit a big hole, made a good gain for 9 yards or so but really could have been a huge 30-40 yard gain. It seems 1-2 plays a game he has moments like that where you see the difference between him, a good RB, and what an elite RB would do.

But he also continues to block well.

I thought Mack played great overall. So did Wilkins when he got in to run and Hienes on pass catching.

It was the mistakes and the penalties that held back the offense, not the play calling or execution

Also TY Hilton, that play in the last two minutes of first half was huge to get out of the Colts end side of the field deep, the catch and run. Once again playing injured and making a big game changing play when needed.

DrSpaceman 12-31-2018 01:04 PM

Also though the Colts got bailed out on one TD drive on the pass INT on 3rd down. I thought that was pretty good coverage by the Titans, pretty sure it was Hilton he was guarding.

Maniac 12-31-2018 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 102376)
I don't like Odum much, but he had his back to the other two players, so he may have not known that Desir had a play on it.

If he didn't know that Desir was in position, then I take back my criticism of that play.

rcubed 12-31-2018 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 102376)
I don't like Odum much, but he had his back to the other two players, so he may have not known that Desir had a play on it.

Desir wasnt intercepting that ball anyway, knocking it down yes, intercepting no. odum had a better play on it

rcubed 12-31-2018 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpaceman (Post 102378)
So did Wilkins when he got in to run and Hienes on pass catching.
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I feel bad for wilkins, it seems like whenever he finally gets in the game, he rips off a nice run and its called back on a penalty

omahacolt 12-31-2018 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 102365)
I'm not. I would just rather slot him in at WR4/WR5. Wouldn't you?

Absolutely. Need to find us a 2 and bring back Inman

VeveJones007 12-31-2018 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 102389)
Absolutely. Need to find us a 2 and bring back Inman

34th pick could be an excellent spot. Obviously depends on the defenders available, though.

I would also keep a close eye on Julio Jones and the Falcons in case they have contract issues again.

Racehorse 12-31-2018 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 102388)
I feel bad for wilkins, it seems like whenever he finally gets in the game, he rips off a nice run and its called back on a penalty

I do, too, but the counter argument is that he may not have gotten the long run without the actions that caused the penalties

FatDT 12-31-2018 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 102365)
I'm not. I would just rather slot him in at WR4/WR5. Wouldn't you?

No, I’d rather he play well enough to earn WR2, that would be crazy good value. Why would you not hope for him to succeed? Maybe I don’t understand what you are saying.

omahacolt 12-31-2018 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 102435)
No, I’d rather he play well enough to earn WR2, that would be crazy good value. Why would you not hope for him to succeed? Maybe I don’t understand what you are saying.

I am guessing he is saying don’t rely on him to be #2.

JAFF 12-31-2018 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 102388)
I feel bad for wilkins, it seems like whenever he finally gets in the game, he rips off a nice run and its called back on a penalty

I really like Wilkins. He gets his nose down hill and gets positive results

omahacolt 12-31-2018 03:41 PM

I did a rewatch of the condensed game on game pass.

To me Odum had 3 bad plays.

1) the hit out of bounds. Stupid play
2) 1st quarter he got ran over by Henry
3). That atrocious missed tackle that he seemed to get benched for.

The rest of the game he was fine. If you want to judge that as a bad game then ok. Played 53% of the snaps. 2 terrible plays in that time is not acceptable.

Young guys mess up though and calling for him to be cut or saying he is terrible is nonsense to me.

Chromeburn 12-31-2018 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 102459)
I really like Wilkins. He gets his nose down hill and gets positive results

Needs to work on that ball security. he had an issue in college as well. They all do really. Can't carry it out in space like in college. Will get knocked out. That said, I like his style and I think he makes a good 1-2 punch with Mack.

southside asshole 12-31-2018 04:17 PM

I don't have much to add this week. I decided after last week that starting my own analysis threads doesn't really contribute much to the user experience here, and splitting discussion between threads is counter-productive.

That, and once again I'm coming to this late, and much has already been said.

Overall it was a very sloppy game. Officiating is balls these days, but a lot of those calls were legitimate. If not for the Titans offense basically consisting of Henry and literally zero other things, I think the score would have been way, way closer. Between all the penalties and the stupid, unnecessary turnovers (c'mon Luck, you're up 2 TDs in the first half, WTF are you doing man), that same team with an operational QB would have made us pay.

I'll rewatch the game again later on, and if I've got anything to add that no one has mentioned, I'll post it.

Going into the postseason, I have some concerns.

I think I still like the matchup vs. Hou. Not looking past them - no game will be easy, but the strength of the Colts D pairs well with the offense the Texans run. We have a young and enthusiastic defense who have bitten (and will probably continue to bite) on some misdirection, which Houston will certainly use, but those plays don't tend to be game-breakers the same way a 60-yard bomb can be. Deshaun Watson's accuracy and decision-making from the pocket don't scare me nearly as much as QBs down the line if we win, god willing. Our offense should continue to function. Our line is a match for their rush, and they don't have the secondary to emulate Jacksonville (who just play man all day and don't give a fuck). Hilton's mobility is a concern on that ankle, but between Hines, Ebron, Innman, and other guys who will find themselves open from time to time purely by virtue of their unimportance, Luck will have targets.

If we do get past Houston, there are some AFC QBs who will be waiting to do not-nice things to our soft zone stuff. We've enjoyed the luxury of daring QBs to take the underneath and play mistake-free ball, and against young running QBs behind iffy lines, that works well. Against a Rivers, Brady, Mahomes? Ehh. Better to just focus on Houston right now.

VeveJones007 12-31-2018 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 102435)
No, I’d rather he play well enough to earn WR2, that would be crazy good value. Why would you not hope for him to succeed? Maybe I don’t understand what you are saying.

And what if you don’t make an upgrade and Cain sucks? Get viable upgrades at WR2 and WR3 and if Cain wins the spot, then all the better. Just don’t go into the offseason counting on him to be anything more than your 4th or 5th receiver.

nate505 12-31-2018 05:17 PM

That Luck pick was so so bad and inexcusable.

Thankfully he didn't let it rattle him for the rest of the game. I like it when Luck makes his totally boneheaded mistake early in the game.

All that being said, I'm beyond thrilled with his overall performance this year.

Dam8610 12-31-2018 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 102460)
I did a rewatch of the condensed game on game pass.

To me Odum had 3 bad plays.

1) the hit out of bounds. Stupid play
2) 1st quarter he got ran over by Henry
3). That atrocious missed tackle that he seemed to get benched for.

The rest of the game he was fine. If you want to judge that as a bad game then ok. Played 53% of the snaps. 2 terrible plays in that time is not acceptable.

Young guys mess up though and calling for him to be cut or saying he is terrible is nonsense to me.

Yet you call for people to be cut for less all the time.

nate505 12-31-2018 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaka (Post 102299)
Outstanding commentary again - thank you GBB.

Numbers 16 might be the most interesting one to me - it wasn't so long ago that everyone was calling for Kenny Moore's head. He was the Nyheim Hines of last year's preseason (not to mention an undrafted free agent castoff from the Patriots). How far he's come is amazing and should be an inspiration for any other players who aren't drafted and who struggle at first.

Number 6 is also a big change in attitude from last year, when some fans suggested TY was soft.

How far we have come since last season.

I admit I was one of the idiots who was saying he should be cut for his special teams blunders like last year or two years ago (at my age, time starts to become less distinct).

Which is why I'm glad I'm an idiot fan and not someone who makes real football decisions. Moore has been outstanding this year. Kudos to him, and I hope he gets a nice contract for his efforts.

Chromeburn 12-31-2018 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by nate505 (Post 102500)
I admit I was one of the idiots who was saying he should be cut for his special teams blunders like last year or two years ago (at my age, time starts to become less distinct).

Which is why I'm glad I'm an idiot fan and not someone who makes real football decisions. Moore has been outstanding this year. Kudos to him, and I hope he gets a nice contract for his efforts.

Yup, fans overreact. Then learn their lesson. Then forget the lesson and overreact again.

Chromeburn 12-31-2018 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by southside asshole (Post 102477)
I don't have much to add this week. I decided after last week that starting my own analysis threads doesn't really contribute much to the user experience here, and splitting discussion between threads is counter-productive.

That, and once again I'm coming to this late, and much has already been said.

Overall it was a very sloppy game. Officiating is balls these days, but a lot of those calls were legitimate. If not for the Titans offense basically consisting of Henry and literally zero other things, I think the score would have been way, way closer. Between all the penalties and the stupid, unnecessary turnovers (c'mon Luck, you're up 2 TDs in the first half, WTF are you doing man), that same team with an operational QB would have made us pay.

I'll rewatch the game again later on, and if I've got anything to add that no one has mentioned, I'll post it.

Going into the postseason, I have some concerns.

I think I still like the matchup vs. Hou. Not looking past them - no game will be easy, but the strength of the Colts D pairs well with the offense the Texans run. We have a young and enthusiastic defense who have bitten (and will probably continue to bite) on some misdirection, which Houston will certainly use, but those plays don't tend to be game-breakers the same way a 60-yard bomb can be. Deshaun Watson's accuracy and decision-making from the pocket don't scare me nearly as much as QBs down the line if we win, god willing. Our offense should continue to function. Our line is a match for their rush, and they don't have the secondary to emulate Jacksonville (who just play man all day and don't give a fuck). Hilton's mobility is a concern on that ankle, but between Hines, Ebron, Innman, and other guys who will find themselves open from time to time purely by virtue of their unimportance, Luck will have targets.

If we do get past Houston, there are some AFC QBs who will be waiting to do not-nice things to our soft zone stuff. We've enjoyed the luxury of daring QBs to take the underneath and play mistake-free ball, and against young running QBs behind iffy lines, that works well. Against a Rivers, Brady, Mahomes? Ehh. Better to just focus on Houston right now.

Good stuff. Don't sell your contribution short. Everybody likes new content to read.

What scares me about the Texans is Watson's PA and bootleg ability. We got exposed a bit by Eli, he was ripping us up with those bootlegs. Watson is much better at it. We will see a lot of it.

After him yes the QB's do get much better. Brady's short game will dink and dunk down the field with no problem. Pressure is a must on Brady, otherwise, he won't make mistakes. Mahomes also bootlegs well and is super accurate on the run. Rivers is experienced and they have a balanced team. Just Balt doesn't scare me much passing wise, but that offense is weird and opportunistic.

omahacolt 12-31-2018 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 102498)
Yet you call for people to be cut for less all the time.

Do you have an example, daddydiddler?

Maniac 12-31-2018 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 102498)
Yet you call for people to be cut for less all the time.

No shit.

Omaha, you were bashing Ballard hard early in the year during that 1-5 start, saying this draft was trash and he should be fired.

omahacolt 12-31-2018 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JesusChrist (Post 102513)
No shit.

Omaha, you were bashing Ballard hard early in the year during that 1-5 start, saying this draft was trash and he should be fired.

I never said he should be fired. Call me out is stupid shit i actually say. I am sure you can find something over the years. Maybe.

Should I have been licking his balls about a 1-5 start? Of course not.

Dam8610 12-31-2018 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 102505)
Yup, fans overreact. Then learn their lesson. Then forget the lesson and overreact again.

Truth.

Dam8610 12-31-2018 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 102507)
Do you have an example, daddydiddler?

You also say shit without an example all the time (see above). But really any flex TE the Colts have had in the past prior to Ebron would be a great example.

omahacolt 12-31-2018 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 102527)
You also say shit without an example all the time (see above). But really any flex TE the Colts have had in the past prior to Ebron would be a great example.

Wrong.

Where do you come up with this shit?

Dam8610 12-31-2018 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 102532)
Wrong.

Where do you come up with this shit?

Bryan Fletcher, Jacob Tamme, Coby Fleener, which is pretty much a straight progression of them before Ebron. Every one of them you constantly called a pussy and said should be cut regardless of their production.

omahacolt 12-31-2018 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 102533)
Bryan Fletcher, Jacob Tamme, Coby Fleener, which is pretty much a straight progression of them before Ebron. Every one of them you constantly called a pussy and said should be cut regardless of their production.

They were all pussies. Especially tamme.

I have no problem with swoope. Didn’t have much of a problem with fletcher either.

Pez 12-31-2018 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 102539)
They were all pussies. Especially tamme.



I have no problem with swoope. Didn’t have much of a problem with fletcher either.

Bullshit, fleenor was a bigger pussy.

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omahacolt 12-31-2018 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pez (Post 102549)
Bullshit, fleenor was a bigger pussy.

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No way. You could fist tamme with no lube. Fleener would require lube.

Dam is no lube for those keeping score at home.

Dam8610 12-31-2018 08:12 PM

My point. Tamme and Fleener were productive players for the Colts that you wanted cut, while this guy and several other players give taken up the cause of over the years (especially Mike Doss) are trash who've played like trash and actually deserve to be cut. You seem to have a thing for garbage safeties.

omahacolt 12-31-2018 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 102554)
My point. Tamme and Fleener were productive players for the Colts that you wanted cut, while this guy and several other players give taken up the cause of over the years (especially Mike Doss) are trash who've played like trash and actually deserve to be cut. You seem to have a thing for garbage safeties.

Mike Doss is a football champion. Won at every level. Show some respect.

Your point is stupid. I don’t have a thing for Odum. I have a dislike for fans seeing a bad play or two and thinking they know a player when they actually weren’t really watching him. Fans constantly let 1 play speak for a player and ignore the other 50 plays in the game.


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