Maybe you are lacking in reading comprehension, because nobody said what you say that we said.

To re-state what my point was, we had no real choice tan to draft Nelson because we missed out on OL in free agency, so to protect Luck, we HAD to get Nelson instead of Chubb.

No we didn’t

Very next post we HAD to take Nelson. 😂 piss off

If we wanted to finally address the OLine, we did.

Taking your post and mine out of context again. Your post implied that we all think Ballard is a genius for manipulating things to get the right team record in the right year to take the best guard ever. Not even close to my argument, and I have not seen that argument anywhere. My posts in response have not even remotely stated any of that, except taking Nelson was our only option, and that was stated because we were unable to lure the top OL guys in free agency.

You are like Dam, who likes twisting the words of posters to put up a straw man to fight. It is tiring to play your games.

I should add that the meaning behind the original post I made had a lot to do with the mantra on here for the past three years which was this: Protect Luck! Fix the OLine! You're gonna get Luck killed! We can argue all day long about how to accomplish this, but my contention is that Ballard went after FA linemen and was not successful, for whatever reason, so he decided to get the biggest stud OL guy in the draft.

Mack shouldn't be included in that list just yet. He hasn't done enough so far to say that he was definitely a good pick. He may well end up being just that, but the jury is still out there.

It was sarcasm dumb ass. I was mocking your ridiculous assertion that Nelson was Ballard’s only option to fix the line. I was simply pointing out how either lucky or smart Ballard is for being in position to draft the only plausible Oline help available. The previous draft and free agency were obviously not options. But even ignoring that (as you want to do) Nelson was the only player in the draft that could have helped the line. No other player. No other guard and certainly no other tackle taken after Nelson could help the line, right?

He was the best option left, not the only one. Sorry you are too slow to understand my point and have to resort to this BS to make your point. Ballard said that he should have addressed it in the previous draft, and would fix it this year. He went after Norwood, and got outbid. I don't remember if he went after Solder, but I was not convinced that he was worth what he got. Patriots fans have not been kind to him regarding his play. Now, some could argue that he could have taken Chubb and then taken Smith in round 2, but every expert agreed that the drop-off between the two was huge, so if Ballard had done that, the ones clamoring for protection for the QB would be back at it. Like I said, they can't have it both ways.

As to my other point, one could argue that the best way to protect Luck is to get a defense that keeps the opponents from scoring, making it easier for the QB to manage a game instead of playing hero, which Luck does so well. I could agree with this, but I feel that the easiest way to protect him is to add a piece or two on that side of the ball, because the other side would have needed five or six pieces to accomplish the goal of constructing a dominant defense.

Just to be fair, I was one of those who wanted us to draft Chubb in the first round and get a free agent answer to the OLine. Once we struck out there, I was fine with the Nelson pick, especially when moving down gave us an additional pick in the draft.

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to me to say Norwell wasn’t an option? Quoting a post I specifically said I wasn’t knocking Ballard for not getting him? So don’t talk to me about having to resort to BS to get my point across. I’ll stoop to whatever level you do when addressing me. You want to be an ass, I’ll be an ass. Simple as that.

My point has simply been that Nelson was not the only option available to Ballard. Possibly not even the best. Even when taking into account his failure to address it previously. I’d say a good argument could be made that trading back and walking away with McGlinchey or Miller and then adding Smith would have improved the line tremendously as well. Many said predraft that tackle was the biggest issue for the line, so that’s not hindsight. And I could argue the long term outlook of the line would be brighter with a solid tackle in place to slide to the left side in a year or two. Or whenever Castonzo is hurt.

Regardless, sitting at 6 Ballard had options. Especially considering that the way the QBs fell made the spot extra valuable. The #6 pick was the 2nd most valuable commodity the team had behind only Luck. The trade down from 3 to 6 was brilliant, but from there Ballard failed to maximize the value of his commodity IMO.

As a side note, I chuckle watching people say the money Norwell got was way to much but having no problem with using the #6 pick on Nelson. If Nelson isn’t worthy of being the highest paid guard in the league after his rookie contract then the pick was a failure. You either believe in the value of the position or you don’t. I don’t rank it as high as other positions, hence why I don’t blame Ballard for Norwell. But if I had to choose, considering the current state of the roster, I’d rather overpay with cap space than draft position. Top 10 picks are scarce commodities - usually. Admittedly the Colts may very well be in position for another next year though.

I don't have a problem with anything else you said, but I will correct you when you are wrong. I didn't start this pissing match, you did. I am stooping to your level. You called me naive. I did not do so until you did first.

As for me, there is nothing else to say, so I am done with this.

If I remember correctly we had Norwell in for visit? Playing devils advocate if offer was equal money. The decision for Norwell was easy. Go to a contender, better climate, and no state income taxes. Pretty easy choice, in my opinion. I imagine a lot of free agents who chose other teams don't consider Indy the ideal team like we do and believe...
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But what do I know?

Racehorse, I apologize. I didn’t realize you were so sensitive that this post would be considered starting a pissing match:

I thought it was a conversation. At least until you jumped into my comment to someone else speaking s l o w to tell me something I specifically said, in the post you quoted, I didn’t have an issue with.

Now we can agree that there is nothing else to say on it.

In the NBA I believe 100% location plays a huge factor in free agent signings. In the NFL I’m sure it plays a very small role, but I don’t believe it does to the same degree. I’d say money (specifically gaurentees, not state income taxes) is #1. And winning is #2. Beyond that schemes, existing relationships, etc probably play as much of a role as climate. But yes, I think the overall point is accurate - fans tend to overrate the draw of their favorite team. I’d bet a lot of players would love to play with Andrew Luck (Colts biggest draw). But the same could be said for dozens of other players around the league at various positions. It isn’t the draw we would like to believe it is.

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I'll let him go alone. He loves himself, so he will enjoy the alone time.

Wasn’t meant to be. I just thought it was nicer than telling you to put your big girl panties on and stop being offended by stupid shit.

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