If the players execute, the team wins. What's the problem?

It's not worth arguing point-by-point with Dam, honestly. You have to keep the questions simple.

Dam -- do you ever wonder why no one else on this board, in the media, and in current and former coaching circles defends your dad? Why it's only you who thinks he's a competent coach?

You're still coming from the perspective that I'm defending Pagano, which I'm not. I don't like your lazy zero player accountability model. Any issue in your mind falls directly back to coaching, which doesn't make sense because the coaches have the absolute least control over what happens on the field. Players have to execute when called upon.

It's not just this board, check out any Colts message board and they all feel like we do. Pagano is NOT a good NFL head coach, hell he isn't even a mediocre NFL head coach. The national sports media knows he isn't worth a shit and is wasting a once in a generation QB. Cowherd made a comment yesterday that I totally agree with, he said Pagano is even screwing up Brissett. The longer Luck and Brissett are with Pagano the worse it is for them. Brissett is seen as a starter in the NFL,not a backup, but Pagano will ruin him. Cowherd also predicts that the Colts are going to clean house, and I agree this will happen, so have faith Colt fans. What is Pagano's excuse now, he threw all of his assistant coaches under the bus last year, yet nothing has changed. Pagano is ruining this franchise and should have been gone when they got rid of Griggs. Dam, stop making excuses for this piece of shit coach, it only makes you look stupid.

Maybe its not a look!!

I agree, Pags didnt cause Moncrief to miss the wide open TD, he didn't cause Doyle's fumble, he didnt miss an extra point.

He has failed to instill a culture of accountability. He's failed to instill a culture that respects and nurtures veteran leadership. He's failed to adequately prepare his team for games, he's failed to adequately manage games, he's failed to accurately weigh risk (the bullshit trick plays). He's failed to take individual talent and mold it into a cohesive unit. He's failed to recognize and nurture talent.

Those are Pagano's jobs, and he is not successful. How can a coach instill a culture of accountability when he is not willing or not able to do his own job?

So no, Pagano didnt cause the ball to slide through Donte's hands. He did create a culture where Donte is not accountable for it, no one will step up and rip Donte's ass for it because there are no such leaders on this team.

Intangibles matter. These are the things that let a team like the Patriots turn UDFAs into superstars.

if you read gbb and his thoughts on the game, he holds the players accountable plenty


you, on the other hand, only hold the gm and players accountable.

Wilson. However, we will never know how he would have doe because he never got the chance.

That is complete bullshit, there has been much criticism of the players by GBB and many others.

AND HES NOT A GOOD DB COACH!!!!

I wish people would stop saying he is.

He has nothing that he has done here to prove he's a good coach. NOTHING!!

I gotta give Dam some credit. I don't agree with most of his opinions, but he's like a mediocre boxer with a great chin and determined heart. He takes a beating, but keeps coming back. Other people would have probably left the board by now.

Met him few years back in Indy, he spent 20 minutes arguing with the "Walk" "Don't Walk" sign. He is relentless in his skewed beliefs. :cool:

Are you insinuating that Indy is a one "Walk" "Don't Walk" type of city? You might want to read my long-ass post I put in the other thread.

Why is that? Pagano believed in him enough to give Him 4 straight games of sucking before benching him.... and he had less yards all last season than Mack had in one run on Monday.... and yet Mack gets to sit the bench.

Chucklefuck is a terrible coach and Chud is worse for not standing up to him... if in fact he actually disagrees with Clappy

I can understand a guy who will take the opposite side of a debate to make counterpoints for clarity. I do it all the time. However, Dam does not do it right if that is what he is trying to do. He fails to acknowledge any valid points, so he is obviously being intentionally obtuse. Otherwise, he would say that Pagano has flaws, but there are other flaws keeping us from being a contender, too.

My thoughts are that even when we get the ILBs and the younger guys develop, we will still have a HC who cannot win the SB because he is sub-par. That is why you have to move on sooner rather than later.

No, I am suggesting that Dam will argue with electronic street signs, stop signs etc. Dammy likes to argue right, wrong, or indifferent... :cool:

Honestly Dam is right everyone wants Pagano out and looks for every reason to pile on after each game.

Under the circumstances I don't think any coach would be successful I mean come on we're starting a QB that we traded for week 1 I don't know if this has ever happened in NFL history

Yes, we all want Pagano out because he isn't worth a shit. If you and dam can't see that, I don't know what to say to you. If it wasn't for Luck saving his ass numerous times, he would have been fired long ago. He is one clueless bastard on the sidelines.

Yeah... that was my failed attempt at an analogy. It was bad, and I should feel bad.

Nah, probably just gas ... :eek:

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Moron

Luck didn't do shit the year he was out and if Hasselbeck doesn't get hurt we win the division. Oh that's Pagano's fault he can't win with a 3rd string QB

Wait, what?

That IS what I'm saying, however, due to your stated inherent bias, you ignore that fact. Of course Pagano has flaws, every head coach does. I don't like his general offensive strategy or his typical use of offensive personnel. You keep saying he isn't getting the job done, but the reality of the situation is he hasn't been given the roster to get the job done with, and the performance of the rosters he has been given has outstripped their talent level. Isn't that what you look for in a head coach? That's the primary objective of a head coach to me, taking the parts and making the sum greater.

If I address the culture argument by stating that your argument is purely speculative, has no basis in fact, and that for all any of us know, he could be doing the exact things you're saying he's not behind closed doors, you're just going to come up with something else to bitch about. The author of that article was right, (most) Colts fans have lost all objectivity in regards to Pagano, and will find any reason to place blame at his feet.

Where did you get that from?

I couldn't possibly slow down fast enough to argue with this tard.