You all hate Pagano so much that I did not mention his name once and you took my comments as a defense of him. Not many teams win when their QB throws two pick sixes. I'd venture a guess that the all-time winning percentage of those teams is less than 5%. No Luck was far and away the biggest problem the Colts had yesterday.

because you don't criticize him. because you are a fucking trumper.


just a weak minded pussy that can't stand the thought of being wrong. grow a dick. pagano's teams are constantly blown out and you just turn your head and say not his fault.

I agree with everything you say about dam and Pagano, but inserting politics into it is juvenile, at best. Save that crap for the off-season and the smack forum.

That is the best way to describe him.

Who made the decision to start Tolzien?

Grigson obviously.


But you know dam will just say that it is all tolzein's fault.

Straight away- fuckin' enuff with this ludicrous denial! That's just sad!

He already did

Except he agrees with you ab0ut Trump so you two are alike in some ways

80% of the world agrees with me about trump. The rest are the klan

Trumper mindset is more like yours, find a scapegoat and blame all the problems on the scapegoat, even if the scapegoat has little or nothing to do with the problem and the facts show there are bigger causes of the problem that will generate better results if resolved. For example, when the team's starting QB throws two pick sixes, there's not much a head coach is going to be able to do to change the outcome of the game. I've said several times that I don't care what happens to Pagano, but to blame a loss like this on him shows a clear bias.

Pagano, but who do you expect him to start in that scenario? It's not like he had a healthy Andrew Luck available and went with Tolzien. When all options are bad, you can't blame someone for choosing a bad option.

I keep trying to respond to Dams posts, but I finally understood you just leave crazy alone.

I am not the Klan and I disagree with you on Trump. You paint with a very broad brush, showing your political ignorance. News flash: Not all Rs are bad and not all Ds are good, and vice versa. To paint the picture that you do is as I said earlier, juvenile. Maybe you will grow up one day and realize how wrong you are now.

He should have refused to play the game out of respect for suck!

You are so blind to how atrocious this guy is it's unbelievable- he is the worst coach in the NFL right now by a magnitude of infinity.

There is no question he's the worst coach in the league.

It was a joke dude. I understand there are morons on both sides of the aisle. But trump is a piece of shit. That is just a fact

Very rational thought here. No hyperbole whatsoever.

He had 2 better options but they cut one of them. lol

I can blame someone for always choosing the worst option which is what he does.

To answer your question he should have start Morris OR Brissett. After standing there on the sidelines during the preseason and then deciding to start Tolzien, just proves the point that he doesn't know what he is doing.

Did you read the indystar articles? They point out about 10 items just from Sunday's game that also prove he doesn't know what he is doing.

Can't see the print for the Pags pubes poking into his nostrils...

Morris wasn't on the team, so that wasn't an option. Brisset was an option, but sending someone out to start at QB who has had very little time to learn your offense and its language doesn't really seem like that smart of a coaching decision, and had it not worked, the same people would've been here lambasting him for it. I don't care that much about Pagano, I've said numerous times dating back to last season that I don't care if they fire him. That doesn't mean I have to subscribe to all of your ridiculous, illogical, and poorly constructed thoughts and arguments on why everything is Pagano's fault. I'm surprised most of you haven't blamed Harvey and Irma on him yet.

Rick Venturi skewered Pagano this week. I mean, YMMV on Venturi -- he said the Colts should continue to play Hasselbeck when Luck returned from injury, when Hasselbeck wasn't even playing well -- but it was a pretty scorching critique of failing to come up with any semblance of a sensible offensive or defensive gameplan against LAR.

We've yet to see any evidence anyone has actually improved under Pagano. If anything, players continue to regress...

We do see a lot of TJ Green randomly starting at CB and Malik Hooker not really playing much, though.

I'm pretty sure fat boy in NK is looking to nuke us due to Cuck. Even he realizes the inhumanity of Cuck remaining as coach and is looking to turn him and Jim into ash to prevent further pain and suffering for all of us.

It would be interesting to know whats going on behind the scenes. As in who made the decision to not play and cut morris. Seems like the fans preferred morris to tolzien, but for some reason the team didnt. Why is that and who made that decision between pags and ballard?

Clearly they dont think tolzien is the answer as they traded for brissett. I will be surprised if brissett isnt elevated to starter very quickly.

Exactly - he should have been. Everyone knew it.

My point is not about blame - my point is he is is a terrible coach. There is more than enough evidence of that.

There is plenty of other blame as to why the roster is garbage.

Morris wasn't the QB because he's not white. It's Indiana, after all.

I'll take race baiting for 200, Alex.

don't be a dumbass

Venturi was blasting Chuck and Ballard, he said we all could see Morris was the better QB and he doesn't know what they see/seen in Tolzien

QB should have been addressed

He didn't understand the defensive scheme, they dared Goff to beat them and left guys like Bostic 1 on 1 vs an athletic TE that should never happen

They should have never thrown towards Trumaine Johnson and after the pick 6 the game was in a bad situation

He was going off it was great. . .

Fuck I hate agreeing with you but. Maybe the best post you ever made except for the last part

Doyle the same this afternoon. He went a step further essentially stating there is no way this team couldn't have known how bad it would be with Tolzein and basically doesn't care - i.e. the fix is in. I believe it.

Also, another thing he spent some time on- that being the status of Luck's head. In his view this team legitimately does not know where Andrew stands mentally right now.

I'm sorry, everyone can play it down, boo hoo it till the sun goes down. This is your damn star QB, the guy who until a month or so ago was the highest paid player in the league. A guy supposed to set a new standard of excellence.

The team doesn't even know where his mindset is? And there are still those that think things are hunky dory within this organization? Doyle's classification was a dumpster fire!

This is an unmitigated disaster!

Reporters are like trolls. Don't take what they say seriously.

C'mon man, there's more smoke here than all the C&C movies rolled into one.

I didn't see it but I guess Cuck's response when asked if Luck was practicing this week "he's out this week"... then was pressed, "but the question is whether he is practicing this week?"... "he's out this week". Why, why play these type of games - are the Cards gonna get a decided advantage by hearing Luck is or is not practicing this week? The Browns- they gonna change their game plan?

I can't stand the Cuck, but c'mon, there's a reason behind an answer that contrite.

This is all a fucking disgrace. This team is a fecal catastrophe right now.

Dam -- just answer me this one simple, honest question: where is the player development with any of Pagano's players?

We know he banged the table for D'Joun Smith and TJ Green. We know he's had his BAL and former U guys. We know regardless of who Grigson has supplied previously (and a lot of that supply has been problematic; Grigson deserved to be fired for it), he's had 6 years to develop players.

So I just ask: where is that development?

There isn't any! It's really that simple.

Position by position:

QB: Luck has progressed very well and is one of the best QBs in the NFL when healthy.
RB: The Trent Richardson experiment was doomed to fail from the start. Apart from that, he hasn't had much to work with, but Boom Herron looked good in limited time and Marlon Mack looks very promising. He hasn't had much else to develop at the position, and no one was ever going to make Trent Richardson a quality NFL RB, it's very difficult to fix vision problems.
WR: Hilton has been one of the best receivers in the league, Moncreif has been a dangerous receiver when healthy, Rogers is a UDFA who has shown the ability to contribute in the NFL.
TE: He got production out of Fleener at a similar or better level as he has produced with Drew Brees. When healthy, Allen looked like a solid contributor, and Jack Doyle has come from UDFA status to become a solid contributor.
OL: Castanzo, Mewhort, and Kelly have been solid starters when healthy. No one else has been healthy and in the starting lineup consistently enough to develop.

DL: Henry Anderson has looked good when healthy, and is the highest draft pick Pagano has had to work with at the position. That said, he's made contributors out of street free agents like Lawrence Guy and T.Y. McGill and the one starting caliber free agent he's had that stayed healthy (Corey Redding) performed very well while here.
OLB: Bjoren Werner sucked and no one was going to turn him into a good player. Apart from him, Terrell Basham is the first Day 2 or higher pick Pagano has had to work with at the position. As for veterans, Robert Mathis went from a good player to an all-pro and near DPOY before age got the best of him. Erik Walden also had by far his best and most productive years here.
ILB: Jerrell Freeman became a solid starter under Pagano and was the team's best LB before he was inexplicably let go. He's the best talent Pagano has been provided at the ILB position, everything else has been washed up FAs, UDFAs, and a mid round pick who is too slow to play effectively in the NFL.
CB: Turned Vontae Davis into a Pro Bowler after Miami gave up on him. Other than that, he's had 1 day 2 pick to work with and several free agents who didn't pan out due mostly to injuries. Let's see what he does with .
S: Turned Mike Adams into a Pro Bowler. Hasn't been given much else to work with at the position.

It's likely not the best track record of development, but it's certainly not the worst you're going to find, either.

so basically, any player that sucked was not his fault but all credit goes to him for the players that did well

gotcha. answered it exactly how i thought you would. like a little bitch

So you think someone could've made productive players out of Trent Richardson and Bjoren Werner? Why didn't that team sign them and do it once they became available?

That DID happen with Mario Addison...

Jerry Hughes...

Lawrence Guy...