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Oldcolt 09-25-2023 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Ironshaft (Post 276229)
Yeah....good luck with that. My son is already saying that we are going to the Super Bowl! :)

Let’s hope your son is prescient. If the lines and AR continue their development….

Dam8610 09-25-2023 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 276175)
We already know that. We were responding in kind to your stupidity.

So you agree that me saying Stroud looks like a good QB has no correlation to me having emotional investment in his success? Just confirming.

Brylok 09-25-2023 11:34 AM

I admit it: I fell asleep on the couch while watching the game...again. I'm turning into one of you old farts. Worse even, y'all stayed awake. Smh.

njcoltfan 09-25-2023 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 276230)
Well fuck yea

Especially if Taylor decides to play

Fuck Taylor, Moss looks very capable !!

Colts And Orioles 09-25-2023 12:45 PM

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I just now realized that the Colts are alone in 1st place in the AFC South.

It's only 3 games, but still ...... I'll bet that not too many Colts fans would have believed that if you told them that it would be so prior to the start of the season, especially if you had added the fact that our starting quarterback missed most of the game against the Texans and the entire game against the Ravens.

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Spike 09-25-2023 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 276241)
Fuck Taylor, Moss looks very capable !!

I'm not sure we should say fuck Taylor yet.

Let's see how things play out, and maybe the Colts and Taylor can work something out. Moss and Taylor would make the Colts much more dangerous and help out AR immensely.

God forbid Moss getting hurt, then what do we have?

Not ready to drop the hammer on Taylor just yet.

Colts And Orioles 09-25-2023 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 276104)



Great things that happened today:

1) Your first place Indianapolis Colts went on the road and gutted out a hard fought win with their backup QB starting.

2) Trevor LawrBUST showed up and showed out against one of the worst teams in the league.

Bad things that happened today:


As I predicted, C.J. Stroud is a really good QB. ) Longest interception-less streak to start a career.




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C.J. Stroud had a really good game GAME ...... whether or not he is a really good QB won't be known for at least a year or 2.

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ChaosTheory 09-25-2023 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 276258)
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C.J. Stroud had a really good game GAME ...... whether or not he is a really good QB won't be known for at least a year or 2.

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More than a game. He's been pretty consistent through three weeks:

64%, 242, 0, 0

64%, 384, 2, 0

67%, 280, 2, 0

He wasn't as good as his stat line against us, but we saw what we're going to have to deal with for the forseeable future. I said after the JAX game that they aren't scary. Both IND and HOU can potentially surpass them a lot sooner than many people think.

Colts And Orioles 09-25-2023 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 276258)
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C.J. Stroud had a really good game GAME ...... whether or not he is a really good QB won't be known for at least a year or 2.

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 276262)




More than a game. He's been pretty consistent through three weeks:

64%, 242, 0, 0

64%, 384, 2, 0

67%, 280, 2, 0

He wasn't as good as his stat line against us, but we saw what we're going to have to deal with for the forseeable future. I said after the JAX game that they aren't scary. Both IND and HOU can potentially surpass them a lot sooner than many people think.



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I wanted Stroud over Richardson in the 2023 draft. I think that there will be a very good chance that Stroud winds up being a very good, or even great NFL QB.

One game, or even 3 games is still too small of a sample-size to tell whether or not that fate will come to fruition.

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Chromeburn 09-25-2023 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 276264)
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I wanted Stroud over Richardson in the 2023 draft. I think that there will be a very good chance that Stroud winds up being a very good, or even great NFL QB.

One game, or even 3 games is still too small of a sample-size to tell whether or not that fate will come to fruition.

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Look at his under pressure numbers compared to not. Night and day.

Colts And Orioles 09-25-2023 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 276268)



Look at his under pressure numbers compared to not ...... they're like night and day.




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Yes, that was pointed out about him when he played for Ohio State.


https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2023-...oud-ohio-state


There are numerous reasons why we need to wait more than 3 games to tell what kind of QB that Stroud will be in the NFL.

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ChaosTheory 09-25-2023 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 276268)
Look at his under pressure numbers compared to not. Night and day.

You get those from PFF?

Oldcolt 09-25-2023 04:33 PM

Enough about Stroud. He sucks because he is Houston’s piece of shit QB. Sing his praises somewhere else.

Hoopsdoc 09-25-2023 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ukcolt (Post 276222)
I thought the O'line played well, especially with French making his first start and then Sills having 18 snaps next to him. Didn't notice any drop off at all. Which is good, the play with the starters was already fairly good beforehand, so not as if slotting one poor performance for another.

Most of the pressure was coming from the blitzing of Hamilton, who looks like a hell of a player in that system, he was a menace to the Colts yesterday.

I don’t know anything about Hamilton but he got 3 sacks on literally the exact same play. Unblocked every time. It was bizarre. Almost like he was wearing something that made him invisible to Minshew.

That was more of a failure on the Colts part than great plays by Hamilton.

ukcolt 09-25-2023 06:19 PM

I agree to some extent, but Hamilton did time up his blitz very well. It is easy to see this from the commentary booth when you are not trying to look at the snap of the ball and all 10 of the other players. Should Minshew have done a better job, yeah, could we have provided some help from the RB, yes again. But you could see throughout the game that Will Fries was making the line calls and not Wesley French, so once he came out and Sills took his place, that probably mixed things up even further. Although i am giving this as a potential reason for this happening, from memory I suspect that the sacks may have happened prior to Fries coming out of the game with cramp issues, so shooting down my own argument!

ChaosTheory 09-25-2023 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 276304)
I don’t know anything about Hamilton but he got 3 sacks on literally the exact same play. Unblocked every time. It was bizarre. Almost like he was wearing something that made him invisible to Minshew.

That was more of a failure on the Colts part than great plays by Hamilton.

Couple of things... On the Ravens' last TD drive (end of 3rd), after a TFL it's 2nd-and-12 and Moore was sent on a Nickel blitz. Agholor was left alone and Jackson just planted his leg and threw immediately. 11 yards easy. We need our QB/WR's to ID that pre-snap.

As for us... it's funny, this is like 5 (maybe 6) sacks that the OL are not responsible for this season. First drive, is some combination of play-call + QB + WR not accounting for the free rusher. He clearly shows he's coming, and QB/WR don't even look at each other.

Second drive is similar, but now it looks like Moss is supposed to pick him up and completely whiffs. Even still, Minshew and Downs don't even look at each other for a wide open completion.

And at the absolute very least, Minshew needs to launch the ball out of bounds.

Chromeburn 09-26-2023 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 276274)
You get those from PFF?

I saw them on Twitter I think. It was for this season so far. It wasn’t pretty. But he’s a rookie so who knows. Pressure is definitely the best way to disrupt him though.

JAFF 09-26-2023 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 276304)
I don’t know anything about Hamilton but he got 3 sacks on literally the exact same play. Unblocked every time. It was bizarre. Almost like he was wearing something that made him invisible to Minshew.

That was more of a failure on the Colts part than great plays by Hamilton.

With all the injuries on the O line, I believe Nelson has the line calls. There wasnt anything Smith could do, he was head up on the LE. On the second sack, Minshew never looked to his right before the snap.

Put a TE out there, at least that blitzer wont have straight shot at the qb

Coltsalr 09-26-2023 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DragonTails (Post 276145)
What section were you in? There were a LOT of colts fans there. half our entire section were colts fans.

Section 536. A few Colts fans but definitely not half, lol.

Where were you?

Chromeburn 09-26-2023 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 276336)
With all the injuries on the O line, I believe Nelson has the line calls. There wasnt anything Smith could do, he was head up on the LE. On the second sack, Minshew never looked to his right before the snap.

Put a TE out there, at least that blitzer wont have straight shot at the qb

They were overload blitzes. Bringing more defenders than there are blockers. At that point Minshew just has to recognize the hot route.

Chromeburn 09-26-2023 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 276160)
Come on Dam, accusing people of being invested in the success of Lawrence is pure bullshit. There is no correlation between saying someone is good at what they do and having an emotional investment in his success.

Frankly, I will laugh manically if Lawrence turns out to be a bust. They already screwed up drafting Walker over Hutchingson, thank God, but if Lawrence turns out to be mediocre it will just be another jags being jags moment.

https://media.giphy.com/media/dfIQG68floQuY/giphy.gif

bigalbert 09-26-2023 12:05 PM

Hats off to Pittman

Helluva catch

Does anyone lose his lid more than him? It seems he wears a huge helmet or maybe he has a small head.

No matter, he’s a tuff sumbitch


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ChaosTheory 09-26-2023 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bigalbert (Post 276381)
Hats off to Pittman

Helluva catch

Does anyone lose his lid more than him? It seems he wears a huge helmet or maybe he has a small head.

No matter, he’s a tuff sumbitch


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Ha, every play he makes seems like his chin strap is at least up to his nose.

Dam8610 09-28-2023 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 276258)
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C.J. Stroud had a really good game GAME ...... whether or not he is a really good QB won't be known for at least a year or 2.

o

It's a 3 game sample, but he's shown more in those 3 games than Lawrence has in 3 years.

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 276268)
Look at his under pressure numbers compared to not. Night and day.

Same for the guy the Colts beat on Sunday who many Colts fans wanted to trade for in the offseason. He seems pretty good overall.

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 276284)
Enough about Stroud. He sucks because he is Houston’s piece of shit QB. Sing his praises somewhere else.

Valid point.

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 276380)
Frankly, I will laugh manically if Lawrence turns out to be a bust. They already screwed up drafting Walker over Hutchingson, thank God, but if Lawrence turns out to be mediocre it will just be another jags being jags moment.

https://media.giphy.com/media/dfIQG68floQuY/giphy.gif

Seems to be trending that way, happily.

albany ed 09-28-2023 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles View Post
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C.J. Stroud had a really good game GAME ...... whether or not he is a really good QB won't be known for at least a year or 2.

Dam8610
It's a 3 game sample, but he's shown more in those 3 games than Lawrence has in 3 years.


Three games into their rookie seasons, Skip (Clueless) Bayless got on National TV and said the Colts made a HUGE MISTAKE drafting Andrew Luck instead of RGIII. At the time I thought "what a NinCOWpoop this asshole is.

YOU CANNOT LOOK AT A PLAYER'S FIRST 3 GAMES AND PRONOUNCE HIM A FUTURE HOFer.

Dam8610 09-28-2023 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 276576)
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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles View Post
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C.J. Stroud had a really good game GAME ...... whether or not he is a really good QB won't be known for at least a year or 2.

Dam8610
It's a 3 game sample, but he's shown more in those 3 games than Lawrence has in 3 years.


Three games into their rookie seasons, Skip (Clueless) Bayless got on National TV and said the Colts made a HUGE MISTAKE drafting Andrew Luck instead of RGIII. At the time I thought "what a NinCOWpoop this asshole is.

YOU CANNOT LOOK AT A PLAYER'S FIRST 3 GAMES AND PRONOUNCE HIM A FUTURE HOFer.

Good QB =/= Future HOFer. Kirk Cousins is a good QB, he's not likely a future HOFer, for example.

CletusPyle 09-28-2023 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 276587)
Good QB =/= Future HOFer. Kirk Cousins is a good QB, he's not likely a future HOFer, for example.

Stroud is looking pretty good, if the Texans finish below the Colts (very likely) they will get Harrison Jr. and that combo should concern us all!

rm1369 09-28-2023 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 276606)
Stroud is looking pretty good, if the Texans finish below the Colts (very likely) they will get Harrison Jr. and that combo should concern us all!

They traded their #1 this year to Arizona for last years 3rd pick. That’s how Houston got Anderson and Stroud. Will be an interesting draft this year as both Arizona and Chicago could have 2 top 5 (top 10 at least) picks.

HoosierinFL 09-28-2023 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 276612)
They traded their #1 this year to Arizona for last years 3rd pick. That’s how Houston got Anderson and Stroud. Will be an interesting draft this year as both Arizona and Chicago could have 2 top 5 (top 10 at least) picks.

I wonder whether either of those teams might dip back into the QB pool...

Would the bears give up on Justin Fields so fast? I guess how his season plays out this year will determine that.

Kyler Murray is only 2 seasons removed from being considered the next big thing but he wasn't great last year and now some writers (idiots, some may call them) are suggesting there could be a QB controversy in Arizona with Dobbs.

But my thinking is that it seems that a fair number of teams that will finish with bad seasons might not be looking for QBs this time around and that means other positions will be taken off the board sooner.

But there's more than one Round-1 quality receiver in the 2024 draft

CletusPyle 09-28-2023 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 276612)
They traded their #1 this year to Arizona for last years 3rd pick. That’s how Houston got Anderson and Stroud. Will be an interesting draft this year as both Arizona and Chicago could have 2 top 5 (top 10 at least) picks.

Yep, I forgot about that....they do have Cleveland's first round pick in 2024, but I doubt that is going to be that early in the draft!

Hoopsdoc 09-28-2023 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by HoosierinFL (Post 276627)
I wonder whether either of those teams might dip back into the QB pool...

Would the bears give up on Justin Fields so fast? I guess how his season plays out this year will determine that.

Kyler Murray is only 2 seasons removed from being considered the next big thing but he wasn't great last year and now some writers (idiots, some may call them) are suggesting there could be a QB controversy in Arizona with Dobbs.

But my thinking is that it seems that a fair number of teams that will finish with bad seasons might not be looking for QBs this time around and that means other positions will be taken off the board sooner.

But there's more than one Round-1 quality receiver in the 2024 draft

Chicago will absolutely give up on Fields. They should have after last year. He was historically bad then and he’s no better now.

Plus, ownership is going to clean house after they win one game this year and the next regime is going to start over.

omahacolt 09-30-2023 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 276284)
Enough about Stroud. He sucks because he is Houston’s piece of shit QB. Sing his praises somewhere else.

well said, old

Chromeburn 09-30-2023 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 276639)
Chicago will absolutely give up on Fields. They should have after last year. He was historically bad then and he’s no better now.

Plus, ownership is going to clean house after they win one game this year and the next regime is going to start over.

Question is will Caleb Williams want to go to a franchise that is historically bad when it comes to offense and developing QBs.

I think Fields is salvageable. You can change your OC and coach all the time and expect a guy to develop. I would stash him as a backup and try to develop him..


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