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IndyNorm 09-27-2023 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Ironshaft (Post 276464)
To be accurate, his only GOOD play is to come back with a vengeance and show he is the samke back he used to be.

He has many, many BAD plays to make if he so chooses. And life has taught me that folks often choose bad plays over good plays.
And JT looks like he's going to continue to make bad plays :cool:

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2023/...9L1VBfsM9ABz4U

ChoppedWood 09-27-2023 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 276539)
And JT looks like he's going to continue to make bad plays :cool:

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2023/...9L1VBfsM9ABz4U
NFI this punk ass and send him to the shithole of NFL careers. F him.

Mr. Session 09-28-2023 04:29 AM
I guess Jon will need to have a pretty damn good 6 game stretch here.

Keep his ass on the bench until week 12. He needs to prove he's in football shape and show he can function in the offense.

Hoopsdoc 09-28-2023 04:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 276539)
And JT looks like he's going to continue to make bad plays :cool:

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2023/...9L1VBfsM9ABz4U
It’s pretty obviously personal at this point, if that’s accurate. As in, there’s nothing for Taylor to gain from a leverage standpoint by continuing to hold out. Not with Moss playing as well as he has and the team actually winning. He just looks like a jackass.

I’m seriously starting to dislike this guy.

Oldcolt 09-28-2023 06:38 AM
Don’t know the guy myself but maybe he puts the financial stability of his family above making us happy. I want him on the field for us or a trade for a number one draft choice. Personally it isn’t my money, we have plenty under the cap and we give contract extensions to it seems like everyone else on the team (guard, snapper, linebacker-its a long list). Find a way Irsay/Ballard and don’t let your damn egos make this impossible.

Racehorse 09-28-2023 07:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 276539)
And JT looks like he's going to continue to make bad plays :cool:

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2023/...9L1VBfsM9ABz4U
The writer is just using a clickbait tactic. He even hedges on his comments by saying "from what I understand", without even saying the typical "according to an anonymous source" like it is usually done.

Oldcolt 09-28-2023 07:48 AM
Everyone has an opinion but none of these ‘reporters’ have spoken to anyone who is directly involved. To me nobody knows nothin until I hear it from JT, his agent, Ballard or Irsay. Since none of them are saying shit I’m assuming they are trying to work it out. Contract negotiations are always messy

Mr. Session 09-28-2023 08:04 AM
These guys are working off hearsay but the only thing I can objectively point to is how little has been vocalized by Taylor's camp.

Off the top of my head I don't remember a player/agent advising they absolutely would not play for the team or try to address/correct public perception that they had a personal problem with the organization they're currently in negotiations with (Chris Jones, for example). I don't get the vibe they care about what the organization and fan base take from this. This seems to be personal on the surface level but I will certainly concede that I'm obviously not privy to the intimate conversations between the parties at play.

At this point it's hard to believe it's purely about his compensation. Nothing he's done other than a 5 second clip on Instagram is helping him out value wise, even if Indy let him walk after this season without franchising him.

rm1369 09-28-2023 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 276552)
Don’t know the guy myself but maybe he puts the financial stability of his family above making us happy. I want him on the field for us or a trade for a number one draft choice. Personally it isn’t my money, we have plenty under the cap and we give contract extensions to it seems like everyone else on the team (guard, snapper, linebacker-its a long list). Find a way Irsay/Ballard and don’t let your damn egos make this impossible.
Possibly, however he’s attempting to get that “security” by means of lies and wage theft. He’s perfectly happy cashing their checks while not living up to his commitment. I have absolutely no respect for that. I’m typically on the player‘s (or worker’s) side in labor disputes. If he wasn’t faking injury and simply held out, giving up his salary, I’d disagree but at least respect his actions. Fuck JT, he’s shown himself to be a selfish prick. No different than any of the other greedy millionaires and billionaires of the world. Horrible people whose supposedly great character goes out the window when there is a dollar involved. The Colts are doing right to treat him as nothing more than an asset. I’ll be perfectly happy if MP gets paid and JT rots.

jasperhobbs 09-28-2023 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 276552)
Don’t know the guy myself but maybe he puts the financial stability of his family above making us happy. I want him on the field for us or a trade for a number one draft choice. Personally it isn’t my money, we have plenty under the cap and we give contract extensions to it seems like everyone else on the team (guard, snapper, linebacker-its a long list). Find a way Irsay/Ballard and don’t let your damn egos make this impossible.
At 4 million a year, he already should have financial stability.

CletusPyle 09-28-2023 10:06 AM
Whether this is true or not, I will repeat my earlier "shit" take!:D

Ballard needs to try to fix this, unless JT has a career threatening injury that he is trying to hide by getting into this contract dispute, he needs to at least attempt to talk some sense into JT! If JT does suit up and give full effort and have some really good performances and the team has some level of success, he should be offered a fair extension above just franchising him twice which is what I think he is afraid will happen!

rm1369 09-28-2023 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 276565)
Whether this is true or not, I will repeat my earlier "shit" take!:D

Ballard needs to try to fix this, unless JT has a career threatening injury that he is trying to hide by getting into this contract dispute, he needs to at least attempt to talk some sense into JT! If JT does suit up and give full effort and have some really good performances and the team has some level of success, he should be offered a fair extension above just franchising him twice which is what I think he is afraid will happen!
I’m sure Ballard has tried to fix this and talk logic and reality with JT. Every indication is JT isn’t interested. All indications are that JT wouldn’t be happy with a contract just above the two franchise numbers. He wants to push the RB market higher. That’s why Ballard went from saying you pay great players to saying the market is what it is. JT has an interest only in money, not in reality. It’s why he’s lying about his injury while collecting a paycheck. Greed.

albany ed 09-28-2023 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 276570)
I’m sure Ballard has tried to fix this and talk logic and reality with JT. Every indication is JT isn’t interested. All indications are that JT wouldn’t be happy with a contract just above the two franchise numbers. He wants to push the RB market higher. That’s why Ballard went from saying you pay great players to saying the market is what it is. JT has an interest only in money, not in reality. It’s why he’s lying about his injury while collecting a paycheck. Greed.
Usually when there is a radical difference between two sides, neither side is completely right nor completely wrong. JT, his agent and the Colts management are all aware of the short career span of most RBs. JT wants to get paid based on (when healthy) his status as one of the best in the business. The Colts would rather wait until his rookie contract is done to consider his next contract. If JT had come back to honor his last year of the contract and fucked up his knee, he'd be SOL. If the Colts had given him an extension and the guarantees he wanted and he fucked up his knee, they'd be SOL. Is there a compromise where both sides give a little? Who knows. Perhaps both sides could take a page from our government, They're so good at reaching compromise. :rolleyes:

CletusPyle 09-28-2023 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 276570)
I’m sure Ballard has tried to fix this and talk logic and reality with JT. Every indication is JT isn’t interested. All indications are that JT wouldn’t be happy with a contract just above the two franchise numbers. He wants to push the RB market higher. That’s why Ballard went from saying you pay great players to saying the market is what it is. JT has an interest only in money, not in reality. It’s why he’s lying about his injury while collecting a paycheck. Greed.
Maybe he has tried to fix it, I never heard that but maybe he did. I suspect the Colts had/have every intention to just franchise him for 2 years and then when they have gotten his best years, let him go to free agency. I can see both sides but I do believe JT is making a huge mistake. I also am seriously starting to think that JT is hurt, and knows he may never be the player he once was...sad if true, but that doesn't excuse his behavior!

Colts And Orioles 09-28-2023 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 276565)



Whether this is true or not, I will repeat my earlier "shit" take !!! ) :D


Ballard needs to try to fix this, unless JT has a career threatening injury that he is trying to hide by getting into this contract dispute, he needs to at least attempt to talk some sense into JT !!! If JT does suit up and give full effort and have some really good performances and the team has some level of success, he should be offered a fair extension above just franchising him twice which is what I think he is afraid will happen !!!
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Shit ta ...... no, just kidding.

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Oldcolt 10-02-2023 06:47 AM
Been through 4 games. Is there anyone on this board who doesn’t want to see AR and JT line up in the same backfield? There appear to be zero offers for him, either he shows up or he doesn’t play. I’m hoping he shows up and the Colts extend him after he shows he is healthy. Damn that backfield will be exciting to see.

Colts And Orioles 10-02-2023 03:33 PM
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(OCTOBER 2nd)



Jonathan Taylor to Practice With Colts Wednesday, Could Play Against Titans

(WTHR Staff)

https://www.wthr.com/article/sports/...9-7aea4d48de68

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Spike 10-02-2023 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 277355)
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(OCTOBER 2nd)



Jonathan Taylor to Practice With Colts Wednesday, Could Play Against Titans

(WTHR Staff)

https://www.wthr.com/article/sports/...9-7aea4d48de68

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Damn, that would be great! :cool:

albany ed 10-03-2023 06:51 AM
Taylor and Leonard. 2 years ago, before the injury bug hit them both, they were the cornerstone of the offense and defense. Build your team around these two and anything is possible. If they can't return to their former selves, it's a fucking shame.

ChaosTheory 10-04-2023 06:10 PM
At the risk of being a douchey self-promoter... I felt like I must have posted this thought in the past, so I dug it up...

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 270343)
I'll preface by saying JT's ankle might be fucked and impact his season. I also suppose JT and Co. could use his ankle as an excuse in the future so he gets his $4.3m and his UFA status without actually playing. I would think the legal fiasco that would cause between JT, the Colts, the doctors, and the union would keep even the dickheads representing JT from pursuing... of course we did just see Lamar Jackson in a dubious injury situation last year amid his contract issues.

But assume that's off the table and his ankle gets healthy. The realistic outcomes for the next few seasons as I see them are:


2023 - JT has to play for us. The only way he can leave is if the Colts trade him or place an RFA tender on him which doesn't seem likely.
If he suits up, I believe human nature, the competitiveness, and the comradery take over for everyone and it flows through the season with the contract on the backburner.

2024 - Assuming JT had a good '23, he could earn an extension offer. Knowing Ballard, it probably won't be what JT wants today. He could trade him, but the Colts probably make out better if they franchise him. They either keep a great player for a relatively cheap RB Tag... or they let him sign an offer from another team and scoop up two 1st-round picks which is more than they would've gotten in any trade.

2025 - I couldn't guess here with all the previous variables... but while a Year-2 FT would be more expensive, it still would be relatively cheap for RB's. So I could see the Colts possibly trying to use it again if JT's been healthy/productive. In which case, repeat of '24: He either signs an extension going into his age-26 season, gives us one more season under the FT, or another team signs him and we get two 1st-round picks.


Beyond that, the FT becomes retarded where the pay is based on the top 5 QB's salaries. But JT is either extended or gone long before this point anyway.
Early wishful thinking, but... I think the bold might be starting to happen now judging from some of the stuff I've read from Holder, Pelissero, and others along with some of the players'/coaches' comments.

As sour as JT has turned me over the past few months... I hope he's healthy and spends the next 12 weeks (at least) earning that contract from Ballard. Just getting in the locker room with the guys can flip emotions.

Racehorse 10-05-2023 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 277608)
At the risk of being a douchey self-promoter... I felt like I must have posted this thought in the past, so I dug it up...



Early wishful thinking, but... I think the bold might be starting to happen now judging from some of the stuff I've read from Holder, Pelissero, and others along with some of the players'/coaches' comments.

As sour as JT has turned me over the past few months... I hope he's healthy and spends the next 12 weeks (at least) earning that contract from Ballard. Just getting in the locker room with the guys can flip emotions.
Yeah, it seems in the offseason, they get a little bored, and have time to dwell on the negatives, but when the team is back together, practicing and playing well, those negatives go away.

Colts And Orioles 10-15-2023 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 277355)
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(OCTOBER 2nd)



Jonathan Taylor to Practice With Colts Wednesday, Could Play Against Titans

(WTHR Staff)

https://www.wthr.com/article/sports/...9-7aea4d48de68

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(OCTOBER 15th)


Taylor only has 37 yards rushing on 14 games in his first 2 games so far this season ...... I suspect that as the season progresses that he may flourish.

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Colts And Orioles 10-22-2023 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 279277)
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(OCTOBER 15th)


Taylor only has 37 yards rushing on 14 games in his first 2 games so far this season ...... ) I suspect that as the season progresses, he may flourish.

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(ONE WEEK LATER)


In addition to rushing for 75 yards on 18 carries, Taylor also caught 3 passes for 45 yards today ...... it was clearly his best game yet.

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Spike 10-23-2023 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 280256)
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(ONE WEEK LATER)


In addition to rushing for 75 yards on 18 carries, Taylor also caught 3 passes for 45 yards today ...... it was clearly his best game yet.

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He is an elite running back, and he did that against a top defense.

It's amazing how the Colts scored 38 points on this Cleveland defense despite the turnovers and refs.

Colts And Orioles 10-30-2023 03:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 279277)
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(OCTOBER 15th)


Taylor only has 37 yards rushing on 14 games in his first 2 games so far this season ...... ) I suspect that as the season progresses, he may flourish.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 280256)
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(ONE WEEK LATER)


In addition to rushing for 75 yards on 18 carries, Taylor also caught 3 passes for 45 yards today ...... it was clearly his best game yet.

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(TWO WEEKS LATER)


Taylor had his 2nd consecutive excellent game, rushing for 95 yards on only 12 carries (7.9 Yards Per Carry.)


https://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore/_/gameId/401547507


I believe that the question has been answered as to whether or not he has completely recovered from his ankle surgery.

o

Colts And Orioles 11-28-2023 09:45 AM
o


Jonathan Taylor Runs Wild in Colts Win Over Buccaneers

(By Zach Hicks)

https://www.si.com/nfl/colts/news/jo...lis-colts-film

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Colts And Orioles 12-12-2023 02:56 PM
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Colts Missing Jonathan Taylor, as Run Game Struggles

(By Stephen Holder)

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...game-struggles

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CletusPyle 12-12-2023 03:06 PM
We paid him and then he hurt his mangina......:D

ChaosTheory 12-12-2023 04:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 286395)
We paid him and then he hurt his mangina......:D
We're having shit luck when it comes to extending our stars and them immediately getting injured.

We'll need a WR for when Pittman can't play next year.

Colts And Orioles 12-12-2023 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 286395)



We paid him, and then he hurt his mangina ....... ) :D
o


So, Taylor is a pussy because he tore the UCL in his thumb in a football game ........ I wish that we had tough guys playing for us.

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CletusPyle 12-12-2023 09:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 286425)
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So, Taylor is a pussy because he tore the UCL in his thumb in a football game ........ I wish that we had tough guys playing for us.

o
You really shouldn't take everything I say so seriously, especially when I use a "big grin" emoji!

Colts And Orioles 01-07-2024 03:10 PM
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(vs. TEXANS, 1/06)


30 llllll, ATTEMPTS

188 lllll YARDS

6.3 llllll YPC

1 llllllllll TD

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Racehorse 02-28-2024 12:18 PM
Lost in the salary cap rise is the fact that JT’s contract now looks very affordable. I am glad we have him under contract for the next few years.


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