Oh, I believe you. I think it's a fairly clear point and why I always think of Wentz.

Yeah, that was the exact throw I was referencing above. The arm strength to get it to the receiver with such a bad base is impressive... but having such a bad base causes an badly placed ball.

I typically can't watch interviews, they seem too prefabricated. But that's the key and unfortunately A.) we can't know what teams think about him until the draft and B.) we can't know if he actually has that character until he gets in the building.

Dudes have come in and fixed issues, though.

I know you didn't. I was genuinely asking what you thought about his placement.

I think his mechanics need work, no denying that. He has a tendency to trust his arm strength to much, and he can on occasion look down his receivers to the point the CB or safety will bait him onto a pick. I still personally think he is gonna take to the NFL faster than the others. However that may just be mediocre. I hope I am wrong no matter which one we draft. I am fan first and foremost. Actually I am a huge homer!

They call it pigeon toe throwing based off the medical condition. Levis had some bad throws as well. Hit the ceiling in one of the deep balls. He has some work to do. Carson couldn’t fix his, but some guys do. Hurts fixed his mechanics, so did Allen. I shouldn’t say Carson didn’t fix it, he would work on it in the off season, but would revert in game situations. Lots cb of tools to work with though. I’m just disappoited he doesn’t really put Mayo in his coffee, guess it was a joke.

All these QBs have flaws that could bring them down and strengths that could lead them to success. It’s funny because if they bust people will say “the red flags weee there.” And if the succeed people will say “all the signs were there.” It’s like the people claiming the Colts should have drafted Herbert as if he didn’t have red flags at the time too.

I'm not so sure about this. Dam has assured us that Stroud is perfect in every possible way and will without a doubt will be the best QB in NFL history. He's also assured us that Levis and Richardson are probably the 2 worst QB prospects in history, and if the Colts draft either one they'll probably never win another game.

Herbert had tons of red flags, his accuracy was never as good as it's been in the NFL at Oregon. That's why I didn't like him. He developed his accuracy, good for him. I believe that accuracy, ball placement, and anticipation throwing are three of the hardest traits for a QB to develop, so when a QB has those traits (Burrow, Stroud, Mac Jones), those are the QBs that I tend to think will have the easiest path to success in the NFL, especially if their arm strength and athleticism are average or better. QBs that lack those traits are harder to buy into for the same reason.

Ha! That's rich. Stroud could fail, Richardson and Levis could succeed. Probability favors the alternate outcomes, at least in my opinion. That's because one is very good at accuracy, ball placement, and anticipation throwing, and the other two are average-bad at those things.

I'll say this about Levis. Out of all of these QB's, he's the most likely to stand tall in the pocket and take a hit to deliver the ball and make a play.

JMV is sticking to the Colts drafting Levis. Manning has been working with him and talking to him. Sure sounds like he will be a Colt to me.

Glad you got a laugh out of it (I certainly did typing it up). Although what's funny is that it's only a slight exaggeration of what you've been going on about for months now.

Is he claiming a source or is this just his opinion? Also, who was it that was saying IND wanted Levis like right when the offseason started? Same guy?

Outside of saying something on the phone like, "Well, you know, Will, Indianapolis is a great place to play. Good luck", why on Earth would Peyton Manning be working with/talking to Levis? That makes zero sense. Peyton is Denver now, and has been for years. He lives there with his family and works with the Broncos organization. Why would he help the opposing AFC team that dumped him? I don't believe any of that stuff. The Peyton obsession is weird within the Colts fanbase.

Nah it’s true he still likes to mentor/ guide young QBs

I mean honestly if you were a top 5 qb in this draft which team would you prefer to go to?

Out of the teams picking top five? Indianapolis or Seattle. Indy since they play indoors. Seattle is ran better though.

Who gives a shit what Manning thinks about a QB’s evaluation. What expertise at draft evaluation does he have? I don’t know for a fact but find it extremely hard to believe Manning has any pull as to who to put as the next face of this franchise.

In no particular order:

- Peyton may know him from his passing camp.
- Peyton is still involved with the childrens hospital that has his name indy.
- Peyton showed up when they stuck a huge statue in front of the house he built in Indy, Lucas Oil Stadium. He and Irsay have a good relationship.

Manning is a realist. He knew the Colts had to let him go and start over. Jim Irsay is a players owner. Is there one example of Irsay putting the screws to a player, who showed up and played hard?

Peyton didnt get kicked to the curb, he got released and allowed to find the place HE wanted to join.

eh. I think manning and irsay have a good relationship. If levis has worked with manning in any fashion, it would be stupid for irsay to not get his opinion.

I mean, doesn't Peyton do this kind of stuff with the high profile kids every year? Must be dozens at this point who've "worked" with him at some point before being drafted.

I don't think he's doing recon for Irsay.

Not doing it for Irsay but I’m sure if Irsay had questions about a guy Manning would give him a rundown of what he sees/ thinks

All these guys have attended his camp I bet at some point. I think Levis has been going for a while and was a counselor the last couple of times.

Sure you get his opinion but it better hold less clout than your scouting does

There's a clip of Dennis Rodman trying to explain what he studied and looked for when certain guys shot in order to position himself to get as many rebounds as he did at his size.

He doesn't quite explain what was going on in his mind very well at all in the clip. But he clearly saw something on tape and on the court that other guys didn't.

Point being that being a great player doesn't make you a great teacher, evaluator, coach, etc.

Apparently Levis is bombing at interviews:

https://twitter.com/NFLDraftBites/st...48542771544064

Good

Just saw Richardson throwing at his pro day. Looked like crap. Not hitting anyone in stride. Receivers having to run back to catch underthrown balls. Having to contort themselves and stretch jump up to catch hospital balls. He threw one nice deep ball, but other than that...woof. No thanks.

Is it too late to trade up to #1 and get Stroud?

Was never going to happen. Prepare for Levis. Just how it is unless they're stupid and pay Lamar and give Baltimore the 4 and next year's first.

Pro days mean shit. Jeff George had supposedly the greatest pro day ever and was a total POS. I am not saying we should be all in on AR, but how he throws with nobody in his face means zilch. If it really was bad I’m more interested in his reaction. On the other hand we may be more interested in Lamar now

Or they're smart and start negotiating with Lamar after the draft. I could see a draft and stash strategy where they get Richardson and Lamar, building for a specific style of offense, which will allow Richardson time to sit on the bench and develop accuracy and learn from the greatest dual threat QB that's ever played in the NFL. If Ballard really goes Levis after all the negative shit coming out about him, it will be time for Ballard to go, because as good as he is at evaluating other positions, he will have proven at that point that he can’t evaluate the two most important positions in the NFL: passer and pass rusher. He can put the most talented roster possible around deficiencies at those two positions, and the result will be mediocrity and failure.

Well, he looked it. Other than wanting nothing to do with Lamar Jackson, I have no dog in the race. I don't like any of them, but they gotta pick someone. I think it's Levis. I don't like it but whatever.

Are there any stud TEs to take at number 4? (asking for a friend)

I agree with the bold but it depends on how you're looking at it. Just because you look great throwing against air, doesn't mean you'll look great throwing in a game. True.

But if you look bad throwing against air, I can't expect you to look better in live action. I haven't watched Richardson's pro day yet, but that's the word.

Just grab the best "Long Snapper" available and move all-in to tank for next year? :cool:

I’d take Lamar over any of these guys

Levis or Richardson didn’t do shit in college and they’re both just trying to sell themselves any way they can right now. Levis posting his pumped up workout selfies and Richardson looking like a tumbler on a gymnastics team. Who the fuck does that shit on their pro day???

I'd probably take Anderson and Hooker. It would help our pass rush immediately and we'd maybe get the #1 pick next year. Top 5 pick, anyway. Fans would riot though, so they won't do it.

George was an egomaniac and pos. Great athlete, bigger a hole.