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JAFF 02-27-2023 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 260364)
You should have gone to college instead of collage

I should use my computer instead of an eyepad

dwilli57 02-27-2023 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 260365)

Classic! lol

Oldcolt 03-01-2023 12:54 PM

One last tidbit that I think shows how difficult it is to measure 'smartness', at least in a football sense. Carson Wentz through grade school, high school and college never got a grade below an A. From a football perspective his decision making seemed as dumb as a rock.

Chromeburn 03-01-2023 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 260482)
One last tidbit that I think shows how difficult it is to measure 'smartness', at least in a football sense. Carson Wentz through grade school, high school and college never got a grade below an A. From a football perspective his decision making seemed as dumb as a rock.

I think part of that is he never felt confidence in some of his throws and mechanics. His short game is just so inconsistent bc of his mechanics. I think it drove him to always seek the long ball play.

Colts And Orioles 03-06-2023 01:25 PM

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Anthony Richardson’s NFL Combine Performance Was Out of This World

(By Mookie Alexander)

https://www.fieldgulls.com/2023/3/4/...ng-quarterback

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Oldcolt 03-06-2023 01:47 PM

After the combine I like Stroud, Richardson, Young and Levis in that order. Would be very happy with either of Stroud/Richardson. Both have no physical limitations and both seem like quality people. Young is physically limited and Levis rubs me the wrong way (and I readily admit I may be full of shit about that-he may be a great guy)

Discflinger 03-06-2023 01:51 PM

I say we trade with Arizona now and take whoever is left from the big three.

Colts And Orioles 03-06-2023 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Discflinger (Post 260679)



I say we trade with Arizona now and take whoever is left from ) The Big Three.




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apballin 03-06-2023 06:45 PM

Can’t lie I’m intrigued by an offense where Taylor would be the smallest guy on the field. Richardson could be a hell of a mismatch because the QB is always unaccounted for

Dewey 5 03-06-2023 06:47 PM

Seattle might be looking to jump ahead of us


https://mobile.twitter.com/NFLRookie...10157431201792

ChoppedWood 03-06-2023 06:51 PM

Holder was on JMV. He was basically embedded with the Richardson camp during the combine (pre-arranged and it certainly sounds like there is some kind of exclusive piece in the works with him).

A few things:
1- He is going top 5 now without a doubt
2- During the workout- while still going, a team called his agent and said they wanted a private session with him- it was a team inside the T10

He did not go much further because of this tease that he knows more about Richardson that most, but when challenged that Ballard may not be willing to take a risk due to job jeopardy and thus may take a more "sure" thing such as Stroud, this was his response.

Steichen is a young unproven HC, a guy that is going to need the grace of a couple years to figure things out. Points out that's not the type of move a gotta win now to save my job GM makes. Then pointed out that would seem to indicate there is a willingness to allow some time for growth and that there may be a recognition that to win big you have to go big.

I say go get Richardson and be done with it.

JMV thinks it's going to be 1-4 QB, we stay put, and we get Levis:confused:

YDFL Commish 03-06-2023 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 260678)
After the combine I like Stroud, Richardson, Young and Levis in that order. Would be very happy with either of Stroud/Richardson. Both have no physical limitations and both seem like quality people. Young is physically limited and Levis rubs me the wrong way (and I readily admit I may be full of shit about that-he may be a great guy)

I feel the same way about Levis. He seems very cocky and acts like his already been anointed.

Dewey 5 03-06-2023 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ChoppedWood (Post 260693)
Holder was on JMV. He was basically embedded with the Richardson camp during the combine (pre-arranged and it certainly sounds like there is some kind of exclusive piece in the works with him).

A few things:
1- He is going top 5 now without a doubt
2- During the workout- while still going, a team called his agent and said they wanted a private session with him- it was a team inside the T10

He did not go much further because of this tease that he knows more about Richardson that most, but when challenged that Ballard may not be willing to take a risk due to job jeopardy and thus may take a more "sure" thing such as Stroud, this was his response.

Steichen is a young unproven HC, a guy that is going to need the grace of a couple years to figure things out. Points out that's not the type of move a gotta win now to save my job GM makes. Then pointed out that would seem to indicate there is a willingness to allow some time for growth and that there may be a recognition that to win big you have to go big.

I say go get Richardson and be done with it.

JMV thinks it's going to be 1-4 QB, we stay put, and we get Levis:confused:

Rapoport basically said the same thing on McAffe's show today about staying at 4 because Ballard doesn't make those kind of moves. No balls.

Hoopsdoc 03-06-2023 08:53 PM

Ballard needs to go get whoever Steichen wants. If that means trading up, so be it.

Give your new coach what he needs to succeed.

Dewey 5 03-06-2023 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 260699)
Ballard needs to go get whoever Steichen wants. If that means trading up, so be it.

Give your new coach what he needs to succeed.

I heard Ballard say " whatever it takes." Now lets see if he means it

apballin 03-06-2023 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 260698)
Rapoport basically said the same thing on McAffe's show today about staying at 4 because Ballard doesn't make those kind of moves. No balls.

Traded up to get Taylor and Nick Cross

Ironshaft 03-06-2023 11:28 PM

I like the cost of trading to #3 and getting, guaranteed, one of: Stroud, Richardson or Young rather than the cost of trading up to #1 if that is even possible.

ChoppedWood 03-06-2023 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 260700)
I heard Ballard say " whatever it takes." Now lets see if he means it

Exactly!

Sadly I view him as being a slick talker with a big mouth and a small set.

To say I dislike him is an understatement. Any dude with a real set would have walked off the job when the Saturday thing went down. NFL is filled with a ton of huge egos, this dude has to be viewed as a clown in the front offices across the NFL.

Dam8610 03-07-2023 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Ironshaft (Post 260706)
I like the cost of trading to #3 and getting, guaranteed, one of: Stroud, Richardson or Young rather than the cost of trading up to #1 if that is even possible.

Richardson is such a project. If it works out, it will work out great. If it doesn't, he's going to suck hard. Personally, I think Stroud is the obvious choice of these three, and despite the Bears trying to inflate the trade market, I think the Colts can get to 1 at a reasonable cost, even if it's the same cost as the Eli Manning trade. Get the QB that is Day 1 starter ready and isn't a huge injury risk due to size, which is Stroud.

apballin 03-08-2023 12:11 AM

Richardson could be something We’ve never seen before though he’s like Bo Jackson playing QB. No DLineman will be able To catch him so he’ll be getting hit by smaller guys for the most part so injury concerns are way less for him. Similar to Cam, Lamar, and Hurts it also simplifies the reads so it’s easy to decipher quickly from the QBs perspective. He’s also humble and hungry. Hasn’t even tapped his potential yet

njcoltfan 03-08-2023 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 260725)
Richardson could be something We’ve never seen before though he’s like Bo Jackson playing QB. No DLineman will be able To catch him so he’ll be getting hit by smaller guys for the most part so injury concerns are way less for him. Similar to Cam, Lamar, and Hurts it also simplifies the reads so it’s easy to decipher quickly from the QBs perspective. He’s also humble and hungry. Hasn’t even tapped his potential yet

Wasn't Luck 6'4" 240lbs, and didn't he run 4.40 forty? If I remember correctly his injuries caused his retirement, anyone that plays in the NFL is susceptible to injuries, no matter how big or what position they play.

ChaosTheory 03-08-2023 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 260764)
Wasn't Luck 6'4" 240lbs, and didn't he run 4.40 forty? If I remember correctly his injuries caused his retirement, anyone that plays in the NFL is susceptible to injuries, no matter how big or what position they play.

Not quite. I think he was a high 4.5's guy. I remember something was off about his official time. The simulcasts they do compared him and Newton and they were really close and Newton ran a 4.56.

Those two were constantly compared at the combine.

Brylok 03-08-2023 10:37 AM

Richardson can't throw an out route.

apballin 03-08-2023 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 260768)
Not quite. I think he was a high 4.5's guy. I remember something was off about his official time. The simulcasts they do compared him and Newton and they were really close and Newton ran a 4.56.

Those two were constantly compared at the combine.

Exactly so Andrew Lucks size with Jonathan Taylor’s speed

Not to mention the thing none of us are accounting for which one of these guys would be tabbed as “Blue dude” fits the mold of good guy their looking for to represent their team?

Kwity Paye type guy

JAFF 03-08-2023 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 260725)
Richardson could be something We’ve never seen before though he’s like Bo Jackson playing QB. No DLineman will be able To catch him so he’ll be getting hit by smaller guys for the most part so injury concerns are way less for him. Similar to Cam, Lamar, and Hurts it also simplifies the reads so it’s easy to decipher quickly from the QBs perspective. He’s also humble and hungry. Hasn’t even tapped his potential yet

Werent we there with Luck? Running a lot, taking a lot of hits? Just because he’s bigger, doesnt keep the hits from adding up.

Manning, Manning and brady couldnt run a lick, and won a lot of titles. The Colts need a really good athlete with a big brain for the game and can take hard coaching. The Colts have play makers on the roster, they need a good decision maker, who wont try to play hero ball when things dont go as planned

apballin 03-08-2023 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 260791)
Werent we there with Luck? Running a lot, taking a lot of hits? Just because he’s bigger, doesnt keep the hits from adding up.

Manning, Manning and brady couldnt run a lick, and won a lot of titles. The Colts need a really good athlete with a big brain for the game and can take hard coaching. The Colts have play makers on the roster, they need a good decision maker, who wont try to play hero ball when things dont go as planned

Clearly the game has changed, the pocket passer days are over my friend. QB is an extension of RB in today’s game because he’s basically a free runner. I’m not talking hero ball, I’m talking similar to what the Eagles did this year… put the defense in a tough situation and make them decide quickly what to defend. After what Hurts did this season I’d love to see what Steichen can do with a guy like Richardson

Lov2fish 03-08-2023 07:37 PM

Running QB's will have the same life span as a RB. I want a QB who runs as a last resort versus having plays drawn up where he is the ball carrier during a game, sans a QB sneak. I would rather have a guy for 13-15 years versus 8-9 and being beaten to death. This ain't flag football. These guys are getting hit by big dudes. Luck was a big strong guy and he got broken in way less than a decade. So its a no for me on running QB's.

apballin 03-08-2023 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 260810)
Running QB's will have the same life span as a RB. I want a QB who runs as a last resort versus having plays drawn up where he is the ball carrier during a game, sans a QB sneak. I would rather have a guy for 13-15 years versus 8-9 and being beaten to death. This ain't flag football. These guys are getting hit by big dudes. Luck was a big strong guy and he got broken in way less than a decade. So its a no for me on running QB's.

Name me 1 QB that didn’t miss games last year. They all take hits, they all get beat up. Drafting a guy and hoping for 13 years is far fetched in today’s game

ChoppedWood 03-09-2023 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 260814)
Name me 1 QB that didn’t miss games last year. They all take hits, they all get beat up. Drafting a guy and hoping for 13 years is far fetched in today’s game

Plus, with the amount of money in play, man it is just different, there is so little need to put your body through that harm for a decade plus. Brady and Rogers are more and more going to be come anomaly cases, not just because of the rarified talent over DECADES, but because of their willingness to endure. The days of needed a 3rd / 4th contract to create generational wealth are gone. A couple contracts and your great grandkids never have to work a day in their lives. Just different now.

Lov2fish 03-09-2023 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 260814)
Name me 1 QB that didn’t miss games last year. They all take hits, they all get beat up. Drafting a guy and hoping for 13 years is far fetched in today’s game

If you're paying a guy $30 Mil plus a year why would you want him getting hit more than he already will be? That is just asinine thinking. Call me old school, but if I am that heavily invested in one position I want as much bang for my buck as I can get. To each their own I guess.

Oldcolt 03-09-2023 12:55 PM

Times have changed in the NFL to where having the threat of a running QB is essential if you want a modern attack. If you have a QB like AR you are going to see a ton of single high safety looks. He will definitely lose that freakish running ability but give me 5 years of it and I’d be happy. Pocket passers don’t win in the NFL anymore. Stroud can also put pressure on defenses with his feet

ChaosTheory 03-09-2023 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 260850)
Times have changed in the NFL to where having the threat of a running QB is essential if you want a modern attack. If you have a QB like AR you are going to see a ton of single high safety looks. He will definitely lose that freakish running ability but give me 5 years of it and I’d be happy. Pocket passers don’t win in the NFL anymore. Stroud can also put pressure on defenses with his feet

Eh, I don't know about that. I guess depending on your definition of "pocket passer." But even still, look at the QB's of the SB winning team going back.
Stafford just won in '21. Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert are traditional pocket QB's even though they're athletic enough to hurt you if running lanes open up. Andrew Luck was like that.

Then there's guys like Patrick Mahomes or Aaron Rodgers and others who can scramble around and create off-script, but I'd still consider them more pocket passers.

Both of ^^ those categories of QB are different from the Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts, Cam Newton, Colin Kaepernick style where their limitations in the passing game necessitate their contributions to the run game. And these types of guys seem to gain notoriety from a breakout season, but then fail to ever approach that success again. Hurts is the latest, so we'll see in the coming years if he comes back to Earth like those other guys.

Richardson is in that third category... and that's only if he taps his potential.

Colts And Orioles 03-09-2023 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 260673)
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Anthony Richardson’s NFL Combine Performance Was Out of This World

(By Mookie Alexander)

https://www.fieldgulls.com/2023/3/4/...ng-quarterback

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If the Seahawks Want Richardson, a Bears Trade Might Be the Only Option

(By Josh Schrock)

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/be...rk-bears-favor

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Dam8610 03-09-2023 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 260865)
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If the Seahawks Want Richardson, a Bears Trade Might Be the Only Option

(By Josh Schrock)

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/be...rk-bears-favor

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They'd still be able to get him at 3.

ChoppedWood 03-09-2023 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 260857)
Eh, I don't know about that. I guess depending on your definition of "pocket passer." But even still, look at the QB's of the SB winning team going back.
Stafford just won in '21. Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert are traditional pocket QB's even though they're athletic enough to hurt you if running lanes open up. Andrew Luck was like that.

Then there's guys like Patrick Mahomes or Aaron Rodgers and others who can scramble around and create off-script, but I'd still consider them more pocket passers.

Both of ^^ those categories of QB are different from the Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts, Cam Newton, Colin Kaepernick style where their limitations in the passing game necessitate their contributions to the run game. And these types of guys seem to gain notoriety from a breakout season, but then fail to ever approach that success again. Hurts is the latest, so we'll see in the coming years if he comes back to Earth like those other guys.

Richardson is in that third category... and that's only if he taps his potential.

To me, Hurts and Allen epitomize what you look for in a modern day QB. Big, very strong arms, and athletic enough that you can design plays for them where they become the running back, and a legitimate running back, one that can take it to the house on you if you aren't prepared for it. I think Richardson has that type of potential and if so, you are a fool if you don't take a shot at him.

ChaosTheory 03-10-2023 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ChoppedWood (Post 260898)
To me, Hurts and Allen epitomize what you look for in a modern day QB. Big, very strong arms, and athletic enough that you can design plays for them where they become the running back

We can't lump Allen and Hurts together. Allen is athletic enough, but so was Luck. Luck was actually the same size as Allen but faster, quicker, and more explosive. We wouldn't lump Luck as a football player with Jackson, Newton, Hurts, Vince Young. Allen is an anomaly in that he's top passer who is asked to do designed runs. It's risky, but they do it. Luck could've done that. If Allen runs a sweep and lacerates his kidney like Luck, I bet they stop doing it. But Allen would still be a great QB without the runs or without an absolutely loaded team. I don't see that with those other guys.

I don't mean to shit on Hurts, but he's got to prove it longer. He's hot now with tons of talent and the best OL in football. But Kaepernick was also white hot at one point when the 49ers were loaded. Dudes were saying he was tougher to defend than Rodgers, Brees, and Brady. The future. Well...


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Originally Posted by ChoppedWood (Post 260898)
I think Richardson has that type of potential and if so, you are a fool if you don't take a shot at him.

Taking Richardson in hopes that he'll be Josh Allen is one thing. I'm not saying anybody is wrong for wanting to take that shot. Personally I think the odds are way too low to take the gamble.

Really, forget Josh Allen... odds are he won't even be Hurts/Newton. He's probably at least as likely to be the next Malik Willis as to be the next one of those guys.

Colts And Orioles 03-10-2023 04:37 PM

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Former Steelers LB Offers Unbelievable Opinion That the Team Should Dump Kenny Pickett for Anthony Richardson

(By Bob Quinn, Staff Writer)

https://www.steelernation.com/2023/0...for-richardson

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