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JAFF 08-31-2022 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 237449)
So, this is just more Trump hate. Guess I should not be shocked, coming from you.

No, its statistics

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Scroll down to the graph with weekly deaths. The inaction of the trump administration is responsible for a large percentage of Americans dying. It took Trump getting infected to turn him around. He was even booed by his maga followers when he told them to get vaccinated.

Racehorse 09-01-2022 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 237460)
No, its statistics

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Scroll down to the graph with weekly deaths. The inaction of the trump administration is responsible for a large percentage of Americans dying. It took Trump getting infected to turn him around. He was even booed by his maga followers when he told them to get vaccinated.

I was halfway joking with my Biden comments, but you are really nuts if you are pointing to Trump on this. You need to seek help for your hate. I suggest a spiritual advisor. The real reason for lower lifespans is about how sedentary we have become. The parents of today are the first generation to not have to do a lot of manual labor, and get very little exercise. Add in the poor diets, and life expectancy goes down, no matter who sits in the Oval Office.

Lov2fish 09-01-2022 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 237466)
I was halfway joking with my Biden comments, but you are really nuts if you are pointing to Trump on this. You need to seek help for your hate. I suggest a spiritual advisor. The real reason for lower lifespans is about how sedentary we have become. The parents of today are the first generation to not have to do a lot of manual labor, and get very little exercise. Add in the poor diets, and life expectancy goes down, no matter who sits in the Oval Office.

Self responsibility is not something liberals admire. It's easier to blame everyone around them.

JAFF 09-01-2022 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 237466)
I was halfway joking with my Biden comments, but you are really nuts if you are pointing to Trump on this. You need to seek help for your hate. I suggest a spiritual advisor. The real reason for lower lifespans is about how sedentary we have become. The parents of today are the first generation to not have to do a lot of manual labor, and get very little exercise. Add in the poor diets, and life expectancy goes down, no matter who sits in the Oval Office.

Well I need a little help,then. Put 1/2 :D emojie next time

JAFF 09-01-2022 09:20 AM

He wishes he had health care in the US
 
Head of Russian oil giant Lukoil dies after falling from hospital window, reports state media

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. The chairman of Russian oil and gas giant Lukoil — which spoke out against Russia's invasion of Ukraine — has died after falling out of a hospital window, state news agencies RIA Novosti and TASS reported Thursday.

Ravil Maganov died at the Central Clinical Hospital west of Moscow, according to the reports, which cite the hospital and law enforcement sources.

"The incident occurred around 07:00 am Moscow time in the Central Clinical Hospital ... The man fell out of the sixth-floor window and died as a result of his injuries," a source told TASS.

Lukoil confirmed Maganov’s death in a statement published on its website, saying only that the executive died "following a severe illness" and making no mention of a fall.

"We deeply regret to announce that Ravil Maganov, Chairman of PJSC LUKOIL Board of Directors, passed away following a severe illness," the statement read. "Ravil Maganov immensely contributed to the development of not only the Company, but of the entire Russian oil and gas sector."
Holy shit, makes Obama care look good
:eek::eek:

Colts And Orioles 09-01-2022 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 237466)



I was halfway joking with my Biden comments, but you are really nuts if you are pointing to Trump on this. You need to seek help for your hate. I suggest a spiritual advisor. The real reason for lower lifespans is about how sedentary we have become. The parents of today are the first generation to not have to do a lot of manual labor, and get very little exercise. Add in the poor diets, and life expectancy goes down, no matter who sits in the Oval Office.




o


When I was kid we use to get off of the school bus, run home, throw our books on the bed, and run right back out to play basketball, whiffle ball, touch football, and tackle football ...... today, kids get off of the school bus, run home, and talk to their friends on-line for a few hours.

o

Spike 09-01-2022 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 237487)
o


When I was kid we use to get off of the school bus, run home, throw our books on the bed, and run right back out to play basketball, whiffle ball, touch football, and tackle football ...... today, kids get off of the school bus, run home, and talk to their friends on-line for a few hours.

o

When they are done texting and talking to their friends, they play video games.

But yeah, it's Trump's fault.

JAFF 09-01-2022 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 237488)
When they are done texting and talking to their friends, they play video games.

But yeah, it's Trump's fault.

That is their parents fault

JAFF 09-01-2022 04:23 PM

Apparently pizza will kill us.
 
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/01/healt...ess/index.html

Well, shit!

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. Eating a lot of ultraprocessed foods significantly increases men's risk of colorectal cancer and can lead to heart disease and early death in both men and women, according to two new, large-scale studies of people in the United States and Italy published Wednesday in British medical journal The BMJ.

Cognitive decline linked to ultraprocessed food, study finds
Cognitive decline linked to ultraprocessed food, study finds
Ultraprocessed foods include prepackaged soups, sauces, frozen pizza, ready-to-eat meals and pleasure foods such as hot dogs, sausages, french fries, sodas, store-bought cookies, cakes, candies, doughnuts, ice cream and many more.
"Literally hundreds of studies link ultra-processed foods to obesity, cancer, cardiovascular disease, and overall mortality," said Marion Nestle, the Paulette Goddard professor emerita of nutrition, food studies and public health at New York University and author of numerous books on food politics and marketing, including 2015's "Soda Politics: Taking on Big Soda (and Winning)."
"These two studies continue the consistency: Ultraprocessed foods are unambiguously associated with an increased risk for chronic disease," said Nestle, who was not involved in either study.
A link to cancer
The US-based study examined the diets of over 200,000 men and women for up to 28 years and found a link between ultraprocessed foods and colorectal cancer -- the third most diagnosed cancer in the US -- in men, but not women.
Processed and ultraprocessed meats, such as ham, bacon, salami, hotdogs, beef jerkey and corned beef, have long been associated with a higher risk of bowel cancer in both men and women, according to the World Health Organization, American Cancer Society and the American Institute for Cancer Research.
The new study, however, found that all types of ultraprocessed foods played a role to some degree.
Ultra-processed foods now account for two-thirds of calories in the diets of children and teens
Ultra-processed foods now account for two-thirds of calories in the diets of children and teens
"We found that men in the highest quintile of ultraprocessed food consumption, compared those in the lowest quintile, had a 29% higher risk of developing colorectal cancer," said co-senior author Fang Fang Zhang, a cancer epidemiologist and chair of the division of nutrition epidemiology and data science at the Friedman School of Nutrition Science and Policy at Tufts University in Boston.
That association remained even after researchers took into account a person's body mass index or dietary quality.
Why didn't the new study find the same risk for colorectal cancer in women?
"Reasons for such a sex difference are still unknown, but may involve the different roles that obesity, sex hormones, and metabolic hormones play in men versus women," Zhang said.
"Alternatively, women may have chosen 'healthier' ultraprocessed foods," said Dr. Robin Mendelsohn, a gastroenterologist at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York City, who was not involved in the study.
The study did find that eating a "higher consumption of ultraprocessed dairy foods -- such as yogurt -- was associated with a lower risk of colorectal cancer in women," Zhang said. "Some ultraprocessed foods are healthier, such as whole-grain foods that contain little or no added sugars, and yogurt and dairy foods."
Women did have a higher risk for colorectal cancer if they consumed more ready-to-eat-or-heat dishes such as pizza, she said. However, men were more likely to have a higher risk of bowel cancer if they ate a lot of meat, poultry, or seafood-based ready-to-eat products and sugar-sweetened beverages, Zhang said.
Children who eat more ultra-processed food gain weight more quickly, study suggests
Children who eat more ultra-processed food gain weight more quickly, study suggests
"Americans consume a large percentage of their daily calories from ultraprocessed foods -- 58% in adults and 67% in children," she added. "We should consider substituting the ultraprocessed foods with unprocessed or minimally processed foods in our diet for cancer prevention and prevention of obesity and cardiovascular diseases."
A link to early death
The second study followed more than 22,000 people for a dozen years in the Molise region of Italy. The study, which began in March 2005, was designed to assess risk factors for cancer as well as heart and brain disease.
How processed food drives diet-related diseases
How processed food drives diet-related diseases
Analysis published in The BMJ compared the role of nutrient-poor foods -- such as foods high in sugar and saturated or trans-fats -- versus ultraprocessed foods in the development of chronic disease and early death. Researchers found that both types of foods independently increased the risk of an early death, especially from cardiovascular diseases.
However, when researchers compared the two types of food to see which contributed the most, they discovered that ultra-processed foods were "paramount to define the risk of mortality," said first author Marialaura Bonaccio, an epidemiologist at the department of epidemiology and prevention at the IRCCS Neurologico Mediterraneo Neuromed of Pozzilli, Italy.
In fact, over 80% of the foods classified by the guidelines followed in the study as nutritionally unhealthy were also ultraprocessed, said Bonaccio in a statement.
"This suggests that the increased risk of mortality is not due directly (or exclusively) to the poor nutritional quality of some products, but rather to the fact that these foods are mostly ultraprocessed," Bonaccio added.
Not real foods
Why are ultraprocessed foods so bad for us? For one, they are "ready-to-eat-or-heat industrial formulations that are made with ingredients extracted from foods or synthesized in laboratories, with little or no whole foods," Zhang told CNN.
Choose anti-inflammatory foods to lower heart disease and stroke risk, study says
Choose anti-inflammatory foods to lower heart disease and stroke risk, study says
These overly processed foods are often high in added sugars and salt, low in dietary fiber, and full of chemical additives, such as artificial colors, flavors or stabilizers.
"While some ultraprocessed foods may be considered healthier than others, in general, we would recommend staying away from ultra-processed foods completely and focus on healthy unprocessed foods -- fruits, vegetables, legumes," Mendelsohn said.
In 2019, the National Institute of Health (NIH) published the results of a controlled clinical trial comparing a processed and unprocessed diet. Researchers found those on the ultraprocessed diet ate at a faster rate -- and ate an additional 500 calories more per day than people who were eating unprocessed foods.
"On average, participants gained 0.9 kilograms, or 2 pounds while they were on the ultraprocessed diet and lost an equivalent amount on the unprocessed diet," the NIH noted.
"There is clearly something about ultraprocessed foods that makes people eat more of them without necessarily wanting to or realizing." said Nestle.
"The effects of ultraprocessed foods are quite clear. The reasons for the effects are not yet known," Nestle continued. "It would be nice to know why, but until we find out, it's best to advise eating ultraprocessed foods in as small amounts as possible."
Next thing, they will tell us to cut down on booze

Spike 09-01-2022 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 237503)
o


I agree completely ...... and the final 2 games of the regular season that the Colts lost to the Raiders and the Jaguars last year ??? That was that orange-haired creep's fault, also.

o

Trump's fault the Colts lost those last 2 games was Trump's fault??????

That's complete BS C&O. People who make choices based on what any politician says, are just fucking dumb, both dem's and republicans.

There was enough information out there for everyone to make their own choice. Blaming Trump is so fucking lame.

But, I guess liberals are going to continue to blame Trump for everything. Let's add cancer, TB, Aids, monkey pox, alzheimers, knee injuries, etc to the fucking list.

Racehorse 09-01-2022 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 237487)
o


When I was kid we use to get off of the school bus, run home, throw our books on the bed, and run right back out to play basketball, whiffle ball, touch football, and tackle football ...... today, kids get off of the school bus, run home, and talk to their friends on-line for a few hours.

o

I actually ran home and omitted the bus ride. The rest you said is very true.

Racehorse 09-01-2022 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 237528)
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/01/healt...ess/index.html

Well, shit!



Next thing, they will tell us to cut down on booze

They used to tell us butter would kill us, so we needed to switch to margarine. They have since reversed their thinking. Same with a lot of other things.

Racehorse 09-01-2022 06:24 PM

Jaff's stupid shit
 
Since C&O doesn't like Jaff spamming this sub-forum, should we all suggest Jaff put his dumb posts here instead?

Lov2fish 09-01-2022 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 237548)
Since C&O doesn't like Jaff spamming this sub-forum, should we all suggest Jaff put his dumb posts here instead?

To bad nowhere at all is not an option.

omahacolt 09-01-2022 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 237523)
That is their parents fault

is it?

or is the world changing and us old fucks don't really get it

Spike 09-02-2022 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 237576)
o


I can't believe that you didn't detect the sarcasm/facetiousness of that post ....... maybe I can sell you a bridge in Brooklyn for 20 dollars.

OK, I will LITERALLY spell it out for you, Spike ...... no, the Colts losing their final 2 regular season games last year was not Donald Trump's fault. It was a joke, as you yourself alluded to Jaff blaming Donald Trump for everything.

o

Usually, I can detect sarcasm C&O, but it's really hard to tell anymore when it comes to Trump. I'm not putting you in this category, but there are a lot of ignorant liberals who think Trump is the reason for every woe on earth.

JAFF 09-02-2022 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 237564)
is it?

or is the world changing and us old fucks don't really get it

Yes its changing. I believe more kids are raising themselves with very little parental supervision

omahacolt 09-03-2022 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 237600)
Yes its changing. I believe more kids are raising themselves with very little parental supervision

thats not the case for the parents i know.


but all kids are on devices a lot. i think that is just the new normal.

Colts And Orioles 09-03-2022 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 237487)
o


When I was kid we use to get off of the school bus, run home, throw our books on the bed, and run right back out to play basketball, whiffle ball, touch football, and tackle football ...... today, kids get off of the school bus, run home, and talk to their friends on-line for a few hours.

o

o


The master sums it up, in a nutshell ......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSDU8Laoi2U

o

Butter 09-15-2022 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 237547)
They used to tell us butter would kill us, so we needed to switch to margarine. They have since reversed their thinking. Same with a lot of other things.

I might still kill most of you.

JAFF 09-21-2022 02:53 PM

Donnie has some problems
 
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...uit/index.html

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...1b8e8b1aa1d4d7

https://www.wflx.com/2022/09/20/spec...-move-quickly/

JAFF 09-22-2022 06:45 PM

Cant just think about declassifying it

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/22/polit...rds/index.html

JAFF 09-23-2022 04:34 PM

Trump judge backtracks after court rebuke
 
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...6a8d6d6c6e15e7

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. District Judge Aileen Cannon on Thursday struck portions of her special master ruling barring the Justice Department from investigating former President Donald Trump just hours after the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ripped apart her decision to halt the criminal probe.

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The three-judge panel — which included two Trump appointees — said Cannon, a fellow Trump-appointee, "abused" her discretion by barring the DOJ from continuing to investigate the classified documents seized from Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence and allowed investigators to resume their probe.

"For our part, we cannot discern why Plaintiff would have an individual interest in or need for any of the one-hundred documents with classification markings," the panel said. "Classified documents are marked to show they are classified, for instance, with their classification level."

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Cannon on Thursday issued a revised order stating that the special master in the case would review all documents "except the approximately one-hundred documents bearing classification markings." She also struck two portions from her original order preventing the DOJ from probing the classified documents during the special master review and requiring them to disclose the materials to the special master.


Some legal experts, like NYU Law Professor Ryan Goodman, say that Cannon's revised order essentially "erased Trump's chance to appeal to Supreme Court."

Steve Vladeck, a federal courts expert at the University of Texas School of Law, explained that Cannon's amendment doesn't "formally" kill Trump's ability to ask the court to vacate the stay — since the stay is still out there — but in practical terms, it makes it impossible.

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"Cannon's amendment moots DOJ's appeal, and means Trump can't show any harm — let alone irreparable harm — that the Eleventh Circuit's stay is causing," he explained on Twitter. "So there's still *technically* a stay for #SCOTUS to vacate, but no possible legal justification for asking the Court to do so."

Former appellate lawyer Teri Kanefield agreed that "changing the order moots Trump's appeal to SCOTUS."

"I suspect that [Cannon] doesn't like being overturned on appeal and wants to avoid more appellate thrashings," Kanefield said.

Even if Trump does appeal, legal experts say he will likely lose.

"I know some justices have stunned us before, but I see no way they overrule 11th Circuit on this issue," tweeted Barbara McQuade, a former U.S. attorney and law professor at the University of Michigan.

Vladeck agreed that the odds of there being five votes to override the ruling — even on a court stacked with Trump appointees — are "exceedingly close to zero."

Former US Acting Solicitor General Neal Katyal explained that Trump can attempt to go to the US Supreme Court but "it's a loser every day of the week." He added that the former president got "obliterated" by the appellate court and that they confirmed what legal experts have been saying, "the whole declassification thing is a red herring."

JAFF 10-19-2022 09:39 PM

Legal experts mock failed Durham probe:
 
https://www.salon.com/2022/10/19/leg...dismal-record/

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Special counsel John Durham, who was appointed by Trump Attorney General Bill Barr to investigate the origins of the Russia probe, ended his three-year investigation after failing to convict yet another frequent target of former President Donald Trump.

Igor Danchenko, a think tank analyst who provided much of the research for the infamous Christopher Steele dossier, was acquitted Tuesday on charges of lying to the FBI about where he got his information.

The defeat marked likely the final blow of his investigation, though Durham is expected to submit a report to the Justice Department later this year.

Durham was appointed in 2019 by Barr. His first two cases ended in an acquittal and a guilty plea with a sentence of probation.

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After nine hours of deliberations for over two days, the jury reached its verdict on Tuesday. Despite Trump and his supporters' claims that the Durham inquiry would reveal a "deep state" conspiracy against him, the three-year investigation failed to produce evidence of such a conspiracy.

"While we are disappointed in the outcome, we respect the jury's decision and thank them for their service," Durham said in a statement. "I also want to recognize and thank the investigators and the prosecution team for their dedicated efforts in seeking truth and justice in this case."

So far, no one charged by Durham has ended up in prison and only one government employee has pleaded guilty to a criminal offense, according to the Washington Post.

Legal experts mocked the legacy of Trump's failed Durham probe and called out his record in court.

"Wow. Don't think any other special counsel or independent prosecutor has ever posted such a dismal record," tweeted former U.S. Attorney Harry Litman.

Neal Katyal, a former Acting Solicitor General, added that "Durham wins about as much as every other Trump lawyer."

Former federal prosecutor Renato Mariotti also took a jab at the special counsel's career, adding that "Many federal prosecutors have lost fewer trials in their entire career than John Durham lost in the past year alone."

"It is apparent that his judgment is poor and that he overcharged these cases. His use of the legally meaningless 'no collusion' phrase at trial betrays his bias," he wrote.

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"Along the lines of the late Sec. Raymond Donovan's famous question— 'Which office do I go to to get my reputation back?'—I'd like to ask, where do we taxpayers go to get our money back for Durham's frivolous, ridiculous, and politically motivated frolic and detour?" tweeted conservative attorney George Conway.

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Others, like former U.S. Attorney Joyce Vance White, described the Durham investigation as a "complete bust".

It is "an abject lesson in what happens when the Justice Department is weaponized to do a president's political bidding. It will be held up to generations of prosecutors as a cautionary tale about what not to do," Vance wrote.

CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin called the investigation a "disgrace" and a "fiasco".

"Two acquittals at trial in a system where the feds win 95% of their cases. Trump and Barr said Durham would prove the Russia investigation unjustified. He's proven the opposite," he tweeted.

National security attorney Bradley Moss recalled right-wing claims that the "Durham probe was going to indict half the Beltway and send all kinds of evil Trump haters to jail." But, Moss wrote, "Durham couldn't convict a ham sandwich."

Lov2fish 10-20-2022 08:51 PM

Man, Trump lives rent free in so many fucking heads of the left. Been out of office two years and he is still the focal point of the left. I wish that fucking dude would fall out of the limelight, and the left just fall off the earth. Let me rephrase that, the woke liberal retards. I'm fine with the old republicans and democrats. The modern right and left? Holy shit what a bunch of twisted m'fers.

omahacolt 10-23-2022 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 245482)
Man, Trump lives rent free in so many fucking heads of the left. Been out of office two years and he is still the focal point of the left. I wish that fucking dude would fall out of the limelight, and the left just fall off the earth. Let me rephrase that, the woke liberal retards. I'm fine with the old republicans and democrats. The modern right and left? Holy shit what a bunch of twisted m'fers.

well to be fair, trump is still in the news constantly. with all his traitorous behavior coming to light

has to be tough to be a trump supporter these days

Colts And Orioles 10-23-2022 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 245640)



Well to be fair, trump is still in the news constantly, with all his traitorous behavior coming to light.

Has to be tough to be a Trump supporter these days.




o


If the people who supported Trump in the first place weren't embarrassed about doing so, they won't stop supporting him in the second place, regardless of his behavior and/or what he says ...... he could say that Nazi Germany was the most progressive society of the 20th century, and his supporters wouldn't blink an eye.

o

Racehorse 10-23-2022 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 246000)
o


If the people who supported Trump in the first place weren't embarrassed about doing so, they won't stop supporting him in the second place, regardless of his behavior and/or what he says ...... he could say that Nazi Germany was the most progressive society of the 20th century, and his supporters wouldn't blink an eye.

o

I voted for him because it was him or Hillary. He has a cult-like following from some people, and it is as scary as when democrats called Obama the Messiah. Why do people worship politicians? It makes no sense to me at all.

Lov2fish 10-25-2022 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 246001)
I voted for him because it was him or Hillary. He has a cult-like following from some people, and it is as scary as when democrats called Obama the Messiah. Why do people worship politicians? It makes no sense to me at all.

You'll never convince a statist, left or right that the government is bad. They truly believe their party will make a difference. When you have people who truly believe that, we the people are fucked!

Colts And Orioles 11-11-2022 01:13 PM

o


OK, I have some stupid shit to contribute ...... and fittingly, I will use one of the biggest garbage/rag newspapers on the East Coast as a citation.



Trump now Raging Against Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin, Bizarrely Says His Name ‘Sounds Chinese’

(By Caitlin Doornbos)

https://nypost.com/2022/11/11/trump-...ounds-chinese/

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JAFF 11-13-2022 09:38 AM

So, how did the election go? I was busy this week?

Colts And Orioles 11-13-2022 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 249410)



So, how did the election go ??? I was busy this week.




o


It depends on who you listen to ...... according to Donald Trump, he is about halfway through his 2nd term as the President of the United States.

o

JAFF 11-22-2022 06:03 PM

Supreme Court rules Donald Trump must turn over taxes to House committee
 
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...c83eba178682a1

Supreme Court rules Donald Trump must turn over taxes to House committee

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The U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday denied former President Donald Trump's request to block an appeals court order that he surrender his tax returns and other financial records to the House Ways and Means Committee.


The move would appear to be the end of the road for Trump in the yearslong saga of a House subpoena for his tax records in the stated interest of drafting oversight legislation.

"The Treasury Department will comply with the Court of Appeals' decision," a Treasury Department spokesperson said in a statement in response to Tuesday's high court action but declined to say when exactly it would provide Trump's records to the House Ways and Means Committee.

The Democratic-controlled committee has argued that -- by the court's own guidelines laid out in a 2020 ruling in the same ongoing dispute -- judges must defer to the legitimate legislative purpose behind a request for information. They said that standard was plainly met in this case.

"We knew the strength of our case, we stayed the course, followed the advice of counsel, and finally, our case has been affirmed by the highest court in the land," chairman Richard Neal, D-Mass., said in a statement reacting Tuesday. "Since the Magna Carta, the principle of oversight has been upheld, and today is no different. This rises above politics, and the Committee will now conduct the oversight that we've sought for the last three and a half years."

Supreme Court rules Donald Trump must turn over taxes to House committee
Supreme Court rules Donald Trump must turn over taxes to House committee
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While Trump claimed the subpoena is a politically motivated fishing expedition, the committee said the documents are critical for drafting "legislation on equitable tax administration, including legislation on the President's tax compliance."

On Nov. 1, Chief Justice John Roberts granted a temporary administrative stay of a lower court order regarding Trump's tax returns and other financial records.

MORE: Supreme Court temporarily blocks House committee from getting Donald Trump's tax returns
The committee had requested six years' worth of Trump's returns as part of an investigation into IRS audit practices of presidents and vice presidents.

In his petition to the Supreme Court, Trump accused the committee of seeking his taxes under false pretenses.

"The Committee's purpose in requesting President Trump's tax returns has nothing to do with funding or staffing issues at the IRS and everything to do with releasing the President's tax information to the public," the petition said.

A federal appeals court ruled in August that tax returns should be handed over to the House committee. The committee first sought the returns in 2019.

Trump most recently failed to block the request on Thursday when the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals shot down his request to reconsider an unanimous opinion from one of its three-judge panels approving the committee's access to the documents.

MORE: Trump's tax returns given to Manhattan prosecutors
While Trump's team claims the panel's bid to obtain the tax returns is purely political, the committee insists the documents are valuable to assess how the Internal Revenue Service performs. presidential audits.

At the heart of the dispute is a federal tax law mandating that the Treasury Department "shall furnish" tax information requested by the Ways and Means Committee, a law Trump's lawyers suggest is unconstitutional.

Democrats have been clamoring to get a glimpse of Trump's tax returns since 2015 when he launched his bid for president and broke decades of precedent by not releasing the documents.

Besides having his personal tax returns sought after, Trump is also facing pressure by criminal probes into his personal business, possession of government documents after leaving office and efforts to block the certification of the 2020 election results.

JAFF 11-22-2022 06:12 PM

And while we are at it…….
 
Trump rebuffed by judge in New York fraud lawsuit, trial date

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...20e568f0ed7122

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NEW YORK (Reuters) - A New York judge has scheduled an October 2023 trial for former U.S. President Donald Trump, three of his adult children and the Trump Organization in a lawsuit brought by New York Attorney General Letitia James accusing them of fraudulently overvaluing the real estate company's assets and Trump's net worth.

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Justice Arthur Engoron of the state Supreme Court in Manhattan set the trial date during a contentious hearing on Tuesday following motions by the Trumps the night before to have the civil lawsuit dismissed.

"I ruled on all these issues. It seems to me the facts are the same. The law is the same. Parties are the same," Engoron told Alina Habba, Trump's lawyer. "You can't keep making the same argument after you've already lost."

Habba had accused the judge of bias. Trump, a Republican, has accused James, a Democrat, of suing him because she dislikes him and his politics.

In her lawsuit filed on Sept. 21, James accused Trump, his company, his children Donald Jr, Eric and Ivanka and others of inflating Trump's assets by billions of dollars in a decade of lies to banks and insurers. James called the fraud "staggering."

The complaint seeks $250 million in damages. It also seeks to stop the Trumps from running businesses in the state and ban Trump and his company from acquiring New York real estate for five years.

Engoron is expected to rule on the motions to dismiss by early January. Trump is already appealing Engoron's order requiring an independent watchdog to monitor his company.

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The trial, scheduled for Oct. 2, 2023, and other legal issues could complicate Trump's campaign, announced last week, for the presidency in 2024.

The Trump Organization is now on trial in another Manhattan courtroom on criminal tax fraud charges.

In addition, U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland last week named a special counsel to oversee two criminal investigations, one related to the FBI's seizure of government documents from Trump's Florida home and the other examining Trump's role in efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election.

Trump also faces a criminal investigation in Georgia into whether he interfered with the 2020 election results in that state.

He has called these cases and investigations politically motivated, and has labeled Engoron a "puppet judge" for James.

In seeking to dismiss the case filed by James, Trump maintained that the attorney general lacked authority to pursue a lawsuit designed to "get" him when neither the public nor the marketplace was harmed.

"Who stands to gain from this highly-politicized farse [sic], aside from the politically-compromised Attorney General of the State of New York?" Trump's filing said.

Other defendants also urged dismissals.

Lawyers for Trump's sons called the lawsuit a "textbook example of throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks." Ivanka Trump's lawyers said there were no allegations that she lied to or defrauded anyone.

The Trump Organization's former longtime Chief Financial Officer Allen Weisselberg and its Controller Jeffrey McConney also sought dismissals of claims against them. Both testified as prosecution witnesses in the Manhattan criminal trial in which prosecutors accused the company of engaging in tax fraud spanning 15 years.

Lov2fish 11-22-2022 09:34 PM

I never understood the fascination with seeing a Potus tax returns. I never cared about any of them showing their returns. I would be more pissed on why we keep sending aide to foreign countries and shaking down American citizens through audits etc. to broaden the tax coffers.

Our government will borrow money we do not have, and send it to a foreign country where it will ultimately end up in the hands of dictators, and never a chance of getting any of it back. Yet if you owe the government money they will lien your home, levy your bank account and send men with guns to haul your ass to prison. Yea, makes perfect sense to me. Fuck all those corrupt mother fuckers.

Colts And Orioles 11-23-2022 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 251318)



I never understood the fascination with seeing a Potus tax returns. I never cared about any of them showing their returns. I would be more pissed on why we keep sending aide to foreign countries and shaking down American citizens through audits etc. to broaden the tax coffers.

Our government will borrow money we do not have, and send it to a foreign country where it will ultimately end up in the hands of dictators, and never a chance of getting any of it back. Yet if you owe the government money they will lien your home, levy your bank account and send men with guns to haul your ass to prison. Yea, makes perfect sense to me. Fuck all those corrupt mother-fuckers.




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Joe Louis donated his entire purses from two fights to the Army and Navy relief societies in 1942. The total sum of theses purses was $100,000, or almost $2 Million in 2022 money.

The US government repaid him by hounding him for back-taxes for the last 32 years of his life between 1949 and 1981. That was the reason why he made ill-fated comebacks which resulted in losses to Ezzard Charles and Rocky Marciano after he had initially retired as the world champion after his win over Jersey Joe Walcott in 1948.




The IRS Hounded Joe Louis into Poverty

(By Harry V. Jaffa)

https://claremontreviewofbooks.com/d...-into-poverty/

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JAFF 11-23-2022 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 251318)
I never understood the fascination with seeing a Potus tax returns. I never cared about any of them showing their returns. I would be more pissed on why we keep sending aide to foreign countries and shaking down American citizens through audits etc. to broaden the tax coffers.

Our government will borrow money we do not have, and send it to a foreign country where it will ultimately end up in the hands of dictators, and never a chance of getting any of it back. Yet if you owe the government money they will lien your home, levy your bank account and send men with guns to haul your ass to prison. Yea, makes perfect sense to me. Fuck all those corrupt mother fuckers.

1. Donny has been implicated by his CEO of tax fraud. He was found guilty of fraud with his Trump academy and trump charities, forced to close it down. I pay taxes and their is evidence that Donnie is a tax cheat. You want a president who laughs at honest citizens, while not paying what he owes?

2. There is evidence he has miss used campaign money. In other words he is using money not intended for his own personal use. He is living off of the $5 and $10 donations of his deluded followers

JAFF 11-23-2022 03:29 PM

Defense off to a rough start in Trump Org trial
 
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...99e8e36b3a1cc0

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According to Vice's Greg Walters who is live-tweeting the trial of the Trump Organization over accusations of criminal tax fraud, things did not start well fro Donald Trump's legal team.

The trial with Trump Chief Financial Officer Allen Weisselberg at the center of accusations of providing employees with benefits in an effort to avoid being taxed, kicked off on Monday with a prosecutor telling the 12-person jury, that "benefits that covered their personal expenses 'was a clever scheme; it just wasn’t legal,'" which then took an awkward turn when the defense began their presentation.

According to Walters, Trump Corp lawyer Susan Necheles was speaking when Judge Juan Merchan interrupted.

"Judge Juan Merchan pauses the defense lawyer's opening statement, releasing jurors out of the room for 15 minutes, saying he understands 'some of you' need a break," Walters wrote. "Judge Merchan then cautions the lawyers in the room not to explain the law (after Trump Org lawyers claimed the case was really only about cheating on personal income taxes)."


He then added Merchan stated, "I will permit you to say that he acted solely for his benefit, and that’s it. It’s a confusing area of the law, and for them to get confused at this point is not going to help anybody.”

Walters continued, "Man, I have never seen a judge excuse a jury for 15 minutes in the middle of an opening argument. For those who've never sat through a trial before, lawyers DO NOT like to be disrupted while making these openers. It's their chance to paint the big picture for the jury."

He then suggested, "Like, multiple sustained objections (3x so far) are one thing, but a lengthy break in the middle is just... weird. It seems a juror, or more than one, needed a break (relatable). But I think it's fair to say this not an auspicious start for the Trump Org defense."

Wow. Great start for donnie

JAFF 11-29-2022 06:56 PM

Jury reaches verdict in Oath Keepers seditious conspiracy trial
 
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...ict/index.html

Hope they throw away the key

JAFF 12-06-2022 04:27 PM

Trump did not disclose $19.8m loan
 
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...d9c4ba88a96ab2

Donald Trump failed to disclose a $19.8m loan from a company with historical ties to North Korea, while he was the US president, according to a new report.

Photograph: Andrew Harnik/AP
Photograph: Andrew Harnik/AP
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Documents obtained by the New York attorney general, and reported by Forbes, on Sunday indicate a previously unreported loan owed by Trump to Daewoo, the South Korean conglomerate.

Related: Jurors in Trump Organization tax fraud trial set to begin deliberations

Daewoo was the only South Korean company allowed to operate a business in North Korea during the mid-1990s.

Forbes revealed that Trump’s relationship with Daewoo is at least 25 years old. At one point, Daewoo partnered with Trump on a development project near the United Nations headquarters in New York City, Trump World Tower.

Trump and Daewoo continued to do business together, including using Trump’s name on six South Korea-based properties from 1999 to 2007, according to the magazine.


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