Still doesn't have a losing season as a coach

Even Bill Belicheck has made questionable calls on 4th down

I'd say the Seahawks passin from the 2 yard line in the Superbowl with Marshawn Lynch is the worst call in history

So yes 1 bad play call from years ago doesn't really help your case

I'll stick to the facts, don't need clues for that

I don't give a fuck who the coach was right now this teams entire offense other than TY is out

You still don't have a post that's worth a shit. Your point?

Like I said I speak facts, how you feel about what I post is your opinion and only that, and that don't mean shit to me

There is this thing called the false equivalence.

Eh, I maybe a bit off, but comparing Belichick making a bad call to Pagano doing so is way off. Bill makes some risky calls that fail, Pagano constantly does and they all fail.

It's b/c our division is a joke. Put us in any other division and his record would be .300 at best.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, lol.

Belicheat has cost himself conference championships with his poor decisions. Carroll has cost himself a Super Bowl with a bad decision. They're generally considered two of the best coaches in the game. Pagano's cited bad decision cost a team that was extremely overmatched from a talent perspective a chance to win a regular season game. Not nearly as bad in the grand scheme of things.

If it had only happened once.....



Walk Worthy,

the issue here isnt the timing, its the decision making.

BB went goes for it on 4th down because the stats say its not much different than punting. He runs a designed play and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt.

PC tried to out think everyone and throw when the entire world was expecting run. The play itself wasnt terrible, the defender made a great play on the ball. Yes he probably should have run it, but he made a calculated decision.

Pagano tried some fucked up play that, by the looks of it, had zero chance of any success. They team was obviously not prepared to run whatever they had planned. From what I remember the ball was not supposed to be hiked. NE wasnt jumping offsides so what, we take a delay of game or burn a timeout? But instead the players were not prepared and they hiked the ball putting the colts in forever infamy.

Point is pagano makes bad decisions with under prepared players, this has happened through out his career here. The other two coaches you cited made calculated decisions that didnt work out. That is the difference.

So losing by 2 in a conference championship where he failed to convert two 4th downs in field goal range is more forgivable for you? Because I'm pretty sure this place would burn down if Pagano did that.

I have to ask: What's with "Walk Worthy"?

that's not what I said.

I am helping start a Trail Life USA troop which is a Christian alternative to Boy Scouts and their moto is "Walk Worthy" like Boy Scouts is "Be Prepared."

I have been using "Cheers" as a sign-off since 1996. It was time for an update.

Walk Worthy,

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No, it's not, but it's one of the ways Belicheat cost himself a conference championship. Why are you trying to minimize Belicheat's poor situational decision making?

You have the same mentality of a trump supporter. No matter how much evidence there is to show how shitty it is, you just plug your ears and offer blind support. Disgusting

Well that is dumber than I would have guessed. A more Christian Boy Scouts?

What does that mean? Boy Scouts mixed with pedophilia?

Nope.

It means that it is a program to help develop young men who respect others, have values, serve their community and honor God.

Some folks on this board could have used some of that in their youth.

Walk Worthy,

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Yeah. Alr is pretty damn incorrigible

Among others.....

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Fixed for a more accurate read

That play was a lot more than just a bad decision. It was a bunch of terrible ideas and bad decisions that led to that dumpster fire.

-First off it's the worst designed play in the history of football. Whoever drew it up should have been kicked in the nuts and fired immediately for being so unbelievably stupid.

-They actually wasted practice time on that piece of shit idea.

-He decided to try it against the best prepared and most disciplined team in the league. It still probably wouldn't have "worked" but it would have had a much better chance on a poorly coached, undisciplined team like the Bungles or the Raiders.

-The guy who had practiced not snapping the ball all week was injured and out of the game and replaced by someone who had not practiced it and had no idea what was going on, but dumb fuck Clappy McWoodchopper still decided to go ahead with it.

So while it didn't carry the same consequences that Belicheat's and Carroll's bad calls did, when you add up the amount of stupidity that actually went into it Clappy's was head and shoulders worse than theirs.

That's all a matter of opinion. My opinion is that if Pagano pulled a 2015 AFCCG Belicheat, everyone on this board would be more upset than they were over that play.

That's not support of anything. It's pointing out that literally no coach would ever meet the ridiculously high standard this board sets. Belicheat wouldn't (though I wouldn't want him because he's a cheater). Carroll wouldn't. No coach has ever lived up to the standard this board sets.

You are right.

And no coach has ever lived up to the standard Irsay has set either, which is a team that wins multiple SBs.

And with QBs like Luck and Manning, that is not an unreasonable standard. Lesser teams have done it with lesser QBs, in particular the Steelers and Giants.

And of the last 4 coaches that have been here in Indy, 3 of them IMO have sucked. Pagano, Mora and Caldwell.

Dungy came the closest to meeting the standard. ANd I would say he did. People complained about him, but its hard to argue too much about the results while he was here overall.

So 3 of the last 4 coaches, I would agree, the message board has not felt they lived up to the standard expected, but rightly so. Its a high, but not unattainable standard. ANd it was a standard set by the owner

People bitched about Dungy as well, said his game management and time management wasn't good enough and that he was always "outcoached" (see: outcheated) by Belicheat. Don't pretend the standard here is reasonable or set by the owner, because it is clearly neither of those things when there have been many years that the team has won divisions, conferences, etc. and the owner has indicated satisfaction with his coaching staff where many fans here were completely dissatisfied with the results and wanted rid of the coaching staff. Don Shula wouldn't have met this board's standard.

Does this seem like history repeating itself?

At the risk of repeating things other have already said, I just have to.

*stands on soap box*

From 1998 through today, this team has relied extensively on a star QB to win games with maybe a few (Freeney, Mathis etc.) defensive stars.
If Manning didn't play the assumption was a loss. No quality backup.
If Luck doesn't play, the assumption is a loss. No quality backup.
Sure we have had great offensive talent, but who would throw to them?

Have they not learned?

Not all teams have a good backup, I get that. But not all teams have the caliber of starting QB that we have been fortunate enough to have. So the drop in playing ability is not as severe for them. Those teams are more well rounded.

The new GM may be starting to correct that, it is a long process. But dangit!
Star QB backup up by a no name, low talent, low expectations, hope we never have to play him backup? WTF?

We open against the friggin' RAMS and it is assumed a loss without Luck at QB.

*you can have this soap box back*

Hah, you went with me over Dammy on this one?

I said it then, I'll say it now. We should have kept Manning, traded the rights to Luck for multiple picks. Built good lines with those picks. Maybe won another S.B. then handed the reins to a good balanced team to a solid, competent if not spectacular QB.
That's the formula the Texans have followed to regulate the Colts to also ran in the weak AFC South. Playoffs for them this year, 5-11 for us
Now we have a poorly coached, no talent with few exceptions, continually rebuilding franchise once again wasting a Franchise QB's career

Keeping Manning was never really a viable option. His cap hit and the complete lack of talent on the Colts was never going to produce another SB. His injured neck was also a great concern. Denver got completely destroyed by Seattle in the 1st SB with Manning at the helm and they had a hell of a lot more talent than the Colts. The 2nd SB with Denver, Manning had an incredible defense, something the Colts didn't and don't have now. Manning rode his 2nd SB win because of Denver's outstanding defense. Hell, he even got benched for awhile.

The Texans haven't accomplished shit, how many SB wins do they have?

The problem wasn't letting Manning go to take Luck. The problem lies with Irsay, Griggs, and Pags. They are the 3 fucking stooges. Griggs and Pags built the team wrong trying to win immediately. Should have built up the offensive and defensive lines instead of wasting 1st round picks on guys like Dorsett, Werner and trading a 1st for TR. Luck is pretty much the only reason the Colts have been a playoff contender.

Lastly, teams without a pretty damn good QB are screwed when it comes to winning SB's. With all of the Texan's talent, they haven't even sniffed the SB because of their shitty QB play. Same with the Jackoffs.

Ask the Brown, Bills, and Vikings how hard it is to find a quality QB.

As far as trading Luck for multiple picks, based on Griggs and Pags draft picking, I wouldn't have liked those odds.

Fuck the Texans. Go away, baitin'.

Yes, because we all aim to be the Texans, a chronic 9-10 win team, enough to take a weak division, and then an early playoff exit with no real chance for a title.

Even if that's true about Dungy, 3/4 times with the coach and for the majority of the last 20 years, the fans have been right to be dissatisfied with the coaching of this team.

Most of the criticism of Dungy was not winning in the playoffs, same as with Manning.

How many years in a row have we gotten to 9-10 wins?
Oh wait...

We'll be doing good to get five this year. The "bad team with a great QB" thing only works with a bullet proof QB. Luck isn't that QB

Don't like the Texans, but we will be looking up at them for another decade unless things change.
I keep hearing this "young o-line will jell" line. And the retread rejects on D will make a big improvement, then I watched the Cowboys beat them like rented mules.

So Denver built a good defense the year after Seattle destroyed them, but the Colts could not have... ?

And the Colts have accomplished what since Manning?


I recall on this board Pagano and Griggs were hailed as saviors



That's a valid point, but it's hindsight

How many teams with great QBs win Super Bowls with a lousy team around them?

Caldwell has had success elsewhere and Pagano has 0 losing seasons, 3 playoff appearances, 2 division titles, and 52 career wins in 5 seasons, so I'm not so sure I buy your "3/4 times" argument.