Julio may be better than Davis which is debatable at this point in his career Davis still has potential to grow and got a lot of gritty yards for the Titans last year but no way Julio can equal the numbers Davis and Smith put up last year so the threat at TE is gone

As far as Wentz his entire season was equal to Mahomes on the Super bowl, running for his life trying to make shit happen. Solid line and a coach that’s great with QBs and restoring their confidence id say 35td 10 int is very possible

If I cannot enjoy some delusion during the off season, when do I get to? Honestly, I don't think it is delusional to think Wentz is an answer to our qb issues. He was awful last year, but so was everyone on Phili. Do you throw them all out? I don't know exactly what happened but that situation was NOT caused by poor qb play alone. Wentz doesn't need to be a top 5 qb to be the answer. He is more than capable of being average to slightly above average. With the offensive line we have built, and the defense we are building average should be enough.

Julio will be more than threat enough then either of those guys. And their TE situation will be fine since both WRs will draw all the attention.

Wentz has mechanics issues, confidence issues, and he is on a new team. That’s a lot to fix in one off season. Like all the stories so far, but he hasn’t done anything yet.

He has mechanical issues no doubt. He knows that, so does Reich. I'm not sure that anyone can say for sure how bad his confidence in himself is. The new team is a net positive to me, not something that will hold him back. Reich wanted him and he knows him better than most. I don't think the guy is a savior, but I think the odds are better than not that he is average to slightly better than average with a slight risk that he sucks and a slight upside that the guy is brilliant. Given the circumstances I'm pretty pleased, at least before any games are played.

Look. Wentz played hero ball in 2019 as well and carried the team on his back to get them in playoffs.

In 2020 the wheels fell off and he felt he could do it again. This time the team around him was even worse and Wentz lost all control of his mechanics and decision making.

So I think that we have a a QB that can carry the team to victory when needed, which wasn't Rivers. But he won't have to do so on a weekly basis.

I couldn't ask for much more.

So eliminate the hero ball, fix the mechanics, build the confidence, and establish chemistry with the offense in one off season. Tall order.

Think this team is gonna be completely healthy all year? It’s not. Think he is going to have to carry them at times? He will.

Let’s see when he gets into some actual games. Rivers was actually pretty good, he was just old. I wouldnt bet the franchise just yet on Wentz.

Philly has had a good oline for most of his career. Last year they had lots of injuries.

He’s never thrown 35 TDs in a season before.

33 and 7 in 13 games in 2017

Here is an article about how he is working on mechanical issues. Again, of course he had issues. If he didn't he wouldn't have been available in a trade. The question is whether they are fixable. Time will tell but I'm not sure what else he could be doing.

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2021/...aux-tom-house/

His MVP candidate season. So he’s gonna throw more TDs than that year? Even though the three following years are 16, 27, 21.

Considering Rivers had 24-11 and I consider Wentz an improvement I’d say yes, he can just play QB and stop trying to be Superman out there

Right now, I don’t see him as an improvement. Rivers just needed better protection. Wentz needs a ton of work. He is younger, more athletic and has a higher ceiling. But right now, I would be starting Rivers.

No way, the offense had limitations with Rivers

Wentz threatens the entire field and can run if nothing is available

Give him better protection and Reich (the guy that had Brissett lookin like an MVP for 8 games) and watch what happens

You assume you will get 2017 Wentz by just plugging him into a new team. He isn’t that QB right now. Rivers didn’t have mechanical or confidence issues. He didn’t come from a toxic environment. All the fluff and propaganda pieces coming out are nice right now, but he has some serious work to do. You look at that article I shared. He actually got worse when they went to 1-step and 0-step drops to counter the bad protection. He got worse when they simplified things.

And Brisset started strong because teams hadn’t figured him out yet. If he was a MVP caliber player, he would have played the whole season that way and he would still be our QB.

Wentz’s team was shit all year and it only got worse. All backup linemen due to injury all young or backup no name WR.

Look how Rivers performed if we had 1 o lineman out he looked terrible as well after that browns game I was ready to bench his ass. So yes a solid offensive line and not feeling like it’s up to you to do it all I believe he will have a big season

As for brisset I believe how he handled the injury changed everything, if Big Q didn’t stomp his foot no telling what could’ve been but he was clearly never the same after the injury

[QUOTE=apballin;195644]No way, the offense had limitations with Rivers

Wentz threatens the entire field and can run if nothing is available

Give him better protection and Reich (the guy that had Brissett lookin like an MVP for 8 games) and watch what happens[/QUOTE

I believe that the running game can improve under Wentz as well.. Because now we have the ability to run from under center, which will also
open up a true play action passing game.

Still, that doesn’t explain Wentz’s mechanics breaking down or poor decision making, or the reason he was worst in the league at one step drops. It’s not all on his teammates. You just read an article about him fixing his mechanics, where he talks about fixing them. Does that sound like the fertile ground for an MVP type season?

1 o-line, you mean Castonzo? The most important person on the line? Yeah, your protection goes to shit if you lose your LT, because no one has any tackle depth. You need protection for him because he’s a statue, but you can win with that type still. Brady just won the super bowl again. So let me get this straight, it’s Rivers fault because he lost his LT, but it’s not Wentz fault because his oline was injured.

The problem is Wentz has more at issue than just a bad team around him. That’s why he was for trade. Rivers didn’t have that besides a declining arm and he’s not mobile. I hope Wentz turns it around. But I’m not expecting him to do it in one training camp. I think there are going to be some growing pains.

Then why isn’t Brisset starting now? He wasn’t injured the next year. Why did they feel compelled to get Rivers? Because Brisset lacked the mental aspect. He couldn’t throw with anticipation. He couldn’t throw a guy open, he would not throw downfield. Teams just caught up to him. You started to see it before he got injured. The injury just reduced his escapability. He wasn’t able to buy time till he felt comfortable releasing the football. If there was a chance Brisset was an MVP, the last two off seasons would have been completely different.

My point is if one of your linemen go down it affects the QBs confidence and Wentz entire line other then Kelce was backups so doesn’t matter if it’s a 1 step drop if there’s pressure in your face or the WR isn’t open what else can the guy do

Andrew Luck had mechanics issues after his injury so Colts have experience with this and Wentz is a gamer I have no doubt this dudes gonna tear it up this year him and Lucks careers are very similar came into the league hot tore it up then started feeling the expectations rise and tried to do everything which led to injury and firings and teams falling apart

Wentz has a second chance and I believe he’s still got it he needed a reboot

I work with a bengals fan and he said when they played the Eagles last year the only reason it was a game was because of Wentz he said it was pissing him off because he wouldn’t go down easy and he kept making plays to keep them in the game

Wentz will be in the MVP conversation this season that’s all I’m saying

If you don’t get the ball out on a 1 step drop, that’s on the QB. No dline is that fast. For example:

https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/...es-qb-wentz%2F

Yeah that oline breakdown is bad, but so was the Dallas secondary. The receiver was wide open in front of him. He should have gotten that ball out.

Have you seen any of his games from last season? Did you look at what they were saying about him before the trade? You think the dude is gonna be in the mvp race. I’m worried the dude is gonna bomb, and I actually watched a couple games last year and went through a lot of the criticisms.

Fulgham, Ward, Reagor, Arcega-whiteside, Richard Rodgers, and Goedert He was playing with a bunch of practice squad guys all year yet he still kept them in games early in the year. The more the losses piled up the worse it got but he single handedly kept them in games

His 3 best games were in prime time last year won all 3

I’m not saying the team wasn’t bad. However the losses weren’t all due to the team. Since they had no running game of course the offense flowed through him, he was the only thing that could keep them in games. He either did, or did not.

However you are not accounting for the bad decision making, the turnovers, the bad mechanics. If was simply a matter of getting more talent they would have kept him. Teams dont bench a franchise QB for multiple games and they don’t trade him away when they are entering their prime. Especially if the QB under him has a lower ceiling. There was a reason we were the only suitor. Sure he could return to form, I would say the pieces are in place to do that. But to not admit there is significant risk associated with Wentz is just homerism. Luckily it looks like it is only a two year investment if he is average to bad.

What does it matter if it was a prime time game or not. Was it against equally horrible nfc east teams? They won four games.

There’s no patience with qbs nowadays they want them to step in and be mahomes or Lamar and everyone wants the shiny new toy. Look at all the qb movement this off season it’s ridiculous

The Eagles went with the cheaper option and future potential option not necessarily the best option.

Winning games in prime time shows me a guy that’s not afraid of the big moments I want a QB that shines in big games. He beat the 49ers (before the were injury ravished) Cowboys, and Giants. Played good games and kept them in vs the Ravens, browns, and Steelers

Anyone remember Manning 2001? I think it's fair to say he got fixed.

Adding a great OC and a RB who wouldnt take negative yards works miracles.

What new OC? Tom Moore was Manning's OC from 98 thru 2010. Also I don't recall Dom Rhodes taking a lot of negative yards in 2001.

There is no patience with rookies. But Wentz was in his 5th year and regressed. They went with the best option in their opinion. Teams don’t trade away franchise QBs, unless there is something wrong or they have a falling out.

They beat a healthy 49ers? This is who was out for the 49ers:
Jimmy Garoppolo, Nick Bosa, Solomon Thomas, Richard Sherman, Tevin Coleman on injured reserve. Raheem Mostert (knee), Emmanuel Moseley (concussion), Ahkello Witherspoon (hamstring), Dre Greenlaw (quad), Dee Ford (back) and Jordan Reed (knee) and the lost Ezikiel Ansah during the game.

That’s a 6 win 49er teams. And the Eagles closed that game out with a defensive TD. Wentz had a nice TD with 6 minutes left, also had a god awful interception. All the other teams suck or the defense kept it close. He had two int’s against pit, 2 int’s and a fumble against the Browns, and a fumble against Balt which was probably his best game where he had 200 yards and 2 TDs. And these were his best games last year. We haven’t touched his worst games, which are bad.

This discussion isn’t really making me feel better about the trade.

Again he’s on a better team and will be asked to do less. Rivers had shitty games vs Browns, ravens, and Steelers pretty much made every offense look bad.

So you would feel better going into the season with a rookie? Brissett? Eason? Or Wentz because those were your options

I feel great about it and the good thing is we play the NFC west so we’ll be able to compare Wentz Colts numbers vs NFC west vs Eagles Wentz I can’t wait to revisit this one .....

He was sacked vs Baltimore 6, Pittsburgh 5, and Browns 5

Wentz sacks by game look like this/ 8-0-3-3-5-6-3-4-3-5-6-4

Rivers last year / 0-2-0-1-1-1-2-0-1-1-1-3-0-1-5-0-0

I'm glad Rivers is gone. Never going to have a deep run in the playoffs, against the best defenses with an offense that cannot use the whole field because of your qb's arm and cannot move the pocket in any real sense of the word. It is way more difficult to win when you are so self limited, especially against the best teams. I'm glad that the whole playbook is opened up. Wentz may not be better than Rivers but the offense that the Colts put on the field certainly will be from a larger playbook. This team isn't going to win by having the best qb anyway, like in the past. Not with who we play against. I think our hope is to have the best overall team by dominating on the lines. We are half way there (offense). To me the real key to this year will be the development, or lack there of, of our defensive ends. If we can generate a pass rush from them we could be something special and go deep into the playoffs. Lets hope.

He’s a QB, he’s not going to be asked to do less. He just won’t have to pull the load by himself. But teams go as the QB goes and games will come down to him having to win it himself. But if this was just about him having better talent around him I would be ok. But it’s not, because that wasn’t the only issue. So having better talent around him is only one aspect of the problem because Wentz had a historically bad season.

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2...possible-bind/

Would I feel better with a rookie or Eason? Maybe. Depends on the rookie. And who says that’s the only options? Stafford was available. Rodgers and GB have a falling out. Watson won’t play for the Texans. Miami isn’t sure they like what’s his name. Who knows what would happen.

Teams change too much year to year. A stat comparison to the NFC west really wouldn’t tell you much. It would probably be better to compare him to Rivers to see if we made an upgrade. But this is a pretty brutal schedule, especially early.

I wouldn’t give up a 1st for Stafford and ofcourse the Texans are not trading Watson to us so the only options were Wentz, Darnold, Eason or a rookie let’s be realistic.

Once again you totally disregard the number of times he was sacked and what good protection can do for a QB I don’t believe his issues are as deep rooted as you believe. It’s pretty simple really but two things are clear, dudes still has a cannon and can still run so there’s is 2 options we didn’t have last year already

Yeah, my dates are off

We are about to give a first up for Wentz and Stafford has been better in just about every area. Wentz is younger, that’s about it. Unlike Wentz, a lot of teams actually wanted Stafford. I bet if you ask any objective fan who the better QB is, it would be Stafford. Who knows what the Texans will end up doing, it’s still going, that organization is a dumpster fire.

The reality is there were a ton of QBs available last year and this year. We chose the one our head coach had a previous relationship with. We also chose him probably because he came cheaper than some of the other guys like Stafford. Because he sucked balls last year, big fucking hairy balls where reporters use the term historically bad to describe his season.

I did admit having a better line will help. But it won’t fix his mechanics, or his bad decision making. Also you do know he isn’t that accurate of a QB. I don’t know what to tell you, he admitted himself there were issues like confidence and mechanics. You just can’t seem to admit there are issues besides having a bad team around him. Guess we will have to sit back and watch the MVP race unfold then.

Question for you Chromburn. I get that you have focused on Wentz's negatives, and he has them. I feel he is the best we could have done, and has a ton of positives to work with. Do you feel we should have gone a different direction? I so who?

So you admit a better line will help, great because that’s what I’ve been saying all along. Solid line play will give a QB all the confidence in the world while shitty line play leads to * bad decision making * he didn’t forget how to play qb his fucking hands were tied. When Rivers had protection he played like Manning when Costanzo was out he looked like Painter it’s really that simple

I don’t see it that way. I think everyone is focused only on the positives and refuse to acknowledge that there is any risk tied to Wentz. Everyone was skeptical about Rivers when he came, so not sure why all of a sudden Wentz is the golden boy. I’m not saying he couldn’t turn out, he could. But to think his play was solely everyone else’s fault is simply wishful thinking.

Would I have done differently, maybe. I think Stafford is older but a better QB. That would have been a higher cost.

Darnold has potential and is the same age as some rookies, but bigger risk than Wentz.

Rodgers and Watson have yet to play out.

I read Mac Jones looks good in pats camp so far.

I understand why they went with Wentz, familiarity. We will see if it works. I personally would have gone after Stafford harder. Or try one of the rookies by trading up. If neither worked I would have then gone with Wentz. Last option I would have stuck with Eason and see where the Rodgers drama goes.

I never denied it. Shitty line play isn’t the only thing that causes bad decision making though. Shitty line play doesn’t create bad mechanics by itself. When you have bad mechanics that is kinda forgetting how to play QB. And neither of those comparisons for Rivers is right.

What you fail to acknowledge is the fact the Eagles simplified the scheme for Wentz to counter the bad protection and he got worse. See that’s what we did when Castonzo was out and Rivers was able to do it. When the Eagles went to one step and zero step drops, Wentz’s accuracy went down. That’s a QB issue.

I realize the dude had issues I’m not debating that I just believe the major reason was protection I mean they tried to help him with 1 step drops with WR that should’ve been on the practice squad. He was in a no win situation, all the pressure and all eyes on him with a depleted roster and 25 million dollar expectations. So again I’m not as concerned as you I’m excited the dude is coming out of a bad situation, he wasn’t hurt he told mcafee this is the freshest he’s felt in years. I’m excited