Originally Posted by apballin (Post 185022)

I’d still rather have someone on a rookie deal

Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 185000)

The Colts are a better option than most teams.

# more young talent
# good O line ( need LT)
# cap space
# 2 of the 3 members of AFC south are a mess.

Originally Posted by Spike (Post 185040)

And who would that be?

Not getting Lawrence and picking 21st doesn't give us many options, obviously Eason isn't ready yet and may never be.

I wouldn't give up 2 firsts for for any other QB coming out of the draft this year.

Sam Darnold? No thanks

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 185036)

They are heavy red. But QB is a spot you make an exception. And stafford a contract is pretty reasonable QB wise.

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 185044)

I wonder if an extension will factor into this. I’m sure it would for a more cash strapped team.

I feel like some team is going to throw a better package of picks Detroit’s way.

Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 185003)

I agree the Texans are a mess, but the Jaguars will probably be one of the most improved franchises in 2021. They have Trevor Lawrence coming and an additional 4 picks in the top 65. They also have a shitload of cap space.

Originally Posted by Mr. Session (Post 185028)

I was uncomfortable, not opposed - just uncomfortable, with Ballard pulling the trigger on Buckner and it's proven to be solid.

I am uncomfortable with trading a lot of draft value to Detroit.

If Ballard was to do this, I think he's proven he deserves the benefit of the doubt, but I get that same uneasy feeling I had with Buckner. I think I'm okay with the first round pick, but anything after that...

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 185037)

And TWO promising pass rushers.

Originally Posted by Spike (Post 185040)

And who would that be?

Not getting Lawrence and picking 21st doesn't give us many options, obviously Eason isn't ready yet and may never be.

I wouldn't give up 2 firsts for for any other QB coming out of the draft this year.

Sam Darnold? No thanks

Originally Posted by Spike (Post 185057)

I'm not as high on Mac Jones as some of you are. I guess we will see.

Originally Posted by Spike (Post 185057)

I'm not as high on Mac Jones as some of you are. I guess we will see.

Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 185061)

How many Qbs from alabama have found success in the NFL? Starr and Namath. In the last 20 years?

He has an average college arm and slower than Tom Brady, as in this years tom brady. I wont bring up his lack of height.

The reasons the colts drafted Eason was that he is tall, and he has a big arm. You cant teach that. You can coach guys up. You can improve accuracy, see Williams in Buffalo.

Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 185069)

Originally Posted by apballin (Post 185042)

Mac Jones?

I just don’t wanna turn into the franchise that gets the aging QB at the end of his career that’s only gonna be here a year or 2 and we have to re sign Nelson and Leonard very soon

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 185076)

I don’t want to be the franchise for every aging QB’s last shot. So stafford plays his contract, then who is next? Rodgers?

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 185070)

Wow, these are the dumbest possible arguments against Mac Jones that I've seen.

- School pedigree is irrelevant to the success of an individual QB prospect, but I'll mark you down in the "Joe Burrow will be a bust" camp, because LSU's QB pedigree is far worse than Alabama's.

- Jones's arm strength is NFL average, not college average, and his game tapes are littered with NFL caliber throws. That can be improved as well, just ask soon to be Hall of Famer Drew Brees, who really did lack the requisite NFL arm strength until he got to the NFL and found someone to help him improve his core strength so he could use the rest of his abilities to become one of the greatest QBs in NFL history.

- The fact that you think Jones is slower than a 43 year old Tom Brady tells me that you have not watched a single game of him from this season. That's just flat out wrong.

- Mac Jones is listed at 6'3", which is in the prototypical height range for a QB, and he'll likely measure in at at least 6'2" at his pro day based on that listing. That said, do you want to be the one to tell Patrick Mahomes (6'2"), Drew Brees (6'0") and Russell Wilson (5'11") that they're too short to play QB in the NFL? It hasn't worked out very well for the other people who've tried.

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 185076)

I don’t want to be the franchise for every aging QB’s last shot. So stafford plays his contract, then who is next? Rodgers?

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 185086)

50 year old Tom Brady?

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 185092)

We had our chance at Brady. Looks like he is about to go to the super bowl again. Although the Packers D did a boneheaded move before the half allowing that TD.

Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 185087)

School pedigree: Purdue has more good NFL Qbs than alabama. They run first and think about pass later

Most NFL linemen are taller than 6-3. The guys you mention need to have offenses designed to find gaps inthe pass pro. And those short Qbs who have great arms. That would be the three you mentioned.

Brees wasnt a first round pick and he had a great arm. Taking this guy in the first round is dumb

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 185094)

Okay, so you didn't watch Brees in college or his first two years in the NFL, either. Brees did not have a great arm, his arm actually was subpar for the NFL when he was drafted. The Chargers drafted Rivers in 2004, which was the year Brees finally became a good NFL QB after being drafted in 2001 and becoming the starter in 2002. In 2002 and 2003 it was apparent that Brees's arm strength was subpar for the NFL, otherwise the Chargers wouldn't have been in a position to draft Rivers. Brees had to work on his core strength quite a bit to have an NFL caliber arm.

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 185068)

What are your issues with him?

I don't know what yours are, but I know a lot of people knock him for the surrounding talent. It was great, especially from a skill position perspective, but the offense doesn't move without a QB, and Mac Jones made NFL throws all year long against the best defenses in college football. It helped him to have talented receivers, but would you knock Peyton Manning for playing on a team with Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Edgerrin James, Dallas Clark, etc.? I'm certainly not saying Mac Jones is the next Peyton Manning, more that I don't think supporting cast is a good argument against a QB.

Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 185095)

I had season tickets starting with joe tillers first season so suck it.

Brees had a very good arm and he was very accurate. The chargers have never made a super bowl, how has Drew done?

Do me a favor and just stop.

Originally Posted by Spike (Post 185101)

Tua was highly rated coming out of Alabama and now he doesn't look all that impressive.

Walter Football contacted 5 teams about Jones and the following is the draft status of those 5 teams.

3 had a 4th round grade.
1 was on the bubble between 2-3.
1 AFC GM said 2nd round was too high.

Another team source said he's another AJ McCarron.

On a lot of sites he is ranked at about the 7th best QB prospect this year.

Not someone I would like the Colts to depend on to be their QB of the future.

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 185097)

Rvers retired and all f these old fucks should follow suit..Brees, Rothlisberger and Brady.

They all suck and and are making the NFL a less marketable product.

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 185110)

Being present at the games doesn't mean you saw things right. If you thought Drew Brees out of Purdue had an NFL arm and Mac Jones out of Alabama today does not, you're wrong and there's no other way to put it.



That really sounds like people who are relying on school pedigree and haven't really watched him play. Also remember Russell Wilson wasn't a first rounder to most NFL front offices because he was 5'11" and played at Wisconsin, who had never really produced an NFL QB. Watch Mac Jones throw a fade, a deep post, etc. When you find it on film (and it won't be that hard to find), go back and watch it again but watch for two specific things: 1) when does he start to throw the ball, and 2) when is the ball out? Watch the WR-DB matchup specifically in relation to this. Because what you're going to see (because it's what I saw on every throw like that over 8 or so games of film) is that at the exact moment the DB turns to run with the WR, Jones throws the ball. That's NFL level anticipation, and something AJ McCarron never showed.

Tua was a rookie last year and relied a lot more on athleticism to succeed than Mac Jones does. All I know is I wouldn't be surprised to see Darth Hoodie or Tomlin pull the trigger on him and all of us regret that for the next decade plus.



That's a product of there not being enough QB talent to go around. That's part of why these QBs can play so much longer, there's no talent waiting to replace them.

Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 185117)

Thank god you are here to explain how you are always right.

Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 185119)

It's what he does

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 185076)

I don’t want to be the franchise for every aging QB’s last shot. So stafford plays his contract, then who is next? Rodgers?

Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 185126)

In the situation the Colts find themselves in it would be foolish to put your hopes on a late first round rookie qb. Yeah you might get lucky but you cannot let that guy be your best option. Not if you have designs on playoff wins. Your chance of hitting on a better than average qb outside of the top half of the first round are slim. Stafford is available. Don't screw around. Just get him.

Originally Posted by apballin (Post 185130)

At what cost though?

I’m ok getting Buckner in his prime, but Stafford is hardly that and he’s taking a hell of a beating over the years I wouldn’t give them a 1st round pick for Stafford

Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 185117)

Thank god you are here to explain how you are always right.

Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 185126)

In the situation the Colts find themselves in it would be foolish to put your hopes on a late first round rookie qb. Yeah you might get lucky but you cannot let that guy be your best option. Not if you have designs on playoff wins. Your chance of hitting on a better than average qb outside of the top half of the first round are slim. Stafford is available. Don't screw around. Just get him.

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 185135)

You don't have to believe me, look at his numbers from 2002 and 2003 and watch those games, you'll see what I'm talking about.
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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 185110)

That really sounds like people who are relying on school pedigree and haven't really watched him play. Also remember Russell Wilson wasn't a first rounder to most NFL front offices because he was 5'11" and played at Wisconsin, who had never really produced an NFL QB. Watch Mac Jones throw a fade, a deep post, etc. When you find it on film (and it won't be that hard to find), go back and watch it again but watch for two specific things: 1) when does he start to throw the ball, and 2) when is the ball out? Watch the WR-DB matchup specifically in relation to this. Because what you're going to see (because it's what I saw on every throw like that over 8 or so games of film) is that at the exact moment the DB turns to run with the WR, Jones throws the ball. That's NFL level anticipation, and something AJ McCarron never showed.

Tua was a rookie last year and relied a lot more on athleticism to succeed than Mac Jones does. All I know is I wouldn't be surprised to see Darth Hoodie or Tomlin pull the trigger on him and all of us regret that for the next decade plus.

Originally Posted by Spike (Post 185139)

GM's and their staffs don't rely on school pedigree only, that's insane. They wouldn't be employed for long if they did.

Just a few QB's drafted in the 1st round from non pedigree schools, I am sure there is a shit load more.

Mahomes - Texas Tech
Matt Ryan - Boston College
Aaron Rodgers - Cal
Phillip Rivers - North Carolina State
Rottenberger - Miami (OH)

Here are the 1st round picks from 2019 and 2020, all pretty much non pedigree schools.

Josh Allen - Wyoming
Kyler Murry - Oklahoma
Lamar Jackson - Louisville
Joe Burrow -LSU
Haskins - Ohio State
Daniel Jones - Duke
Goff - Cal
Wentz - North Dakota State
Tannehill -Texas A&M
Tua - Alabama
Herbert - Oregon
Love - Utah State

One last point, I'm betting that I won't ever regret not drafting Mac Jones.

Originally Posted by Spike (Post 185139)

GM's and their staffs don't rely on school pedigree only, that's insane. They wouldn't be employed for long if they did.

Just a few QB's drafted in the 1st round from non pedigree schools, I am sure there is a shit load more.

Mahomes - Texas Tech
Matt Ryan - Boston College
Aaron Rodgers - Cal
Phillip Rivers - North Carolina State
Rottenberger - Miami (OH)

Here are the 1st round picks from 2019 and 2020, all pretty much non pedigree schools.

Josh Allen - Wyoming
Kyler Murry - Oklahoma
Lamar Jackson - Louisville
Joe Burrow -LSU
Haskins - Ohio State
Daniel Jones - Duke
Goff - Cal
Wentz - North Dakota State
Tannehill -Texas A&M
Tua - Alabama
Herbert - Oregon
Love - Utah State

One last point, I'm betting that I won't ever regret not drafting Mac Jones.

Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 185132)

I get that. Is your position that we should roll with a first round pick? If so, do you think we need to move up or do you believe the guy will be there at 21?

Originally Posted by apballin (Post 185216)

I think Mac Jones will be there, draft him and let him and Eason battle it out for the job

Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 185235)

@LockedOnColts
"With his relationship with previous owner Martha Firestone Ford + her daughter, current owner Sheila Ford Hamp, I think they want to take care of him. They want to make him happy. They love him."

@DerySpeaks believes if Stafford has a preferred team, Detroit will oblige. #Colts