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albany ed 12-28-2020 07:30 AM

Unless the Colts make the playoffs and Rivers wins at least 1 game in the playoffs, I really don't see him coming back. With the Jets blowing the Trevor Lawrence bowl, this division has 3 of the strongest young QBs in the NFL. And, none of them play for the Colts.

Racehorse 12-28-2020 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Ironshaft (Post 180888)
I forgot.

I forgot that while the fans and players want a level playing field to just win or lose based on the play on the field, the NFL has its narrative its needs pushed.

In 2nd half of PIT game, the refs completely shoved the scale down on the side of the Steelers.

I forgot that the NFL has a narrative and having a 39 year old QB who has never sniffed post-season success win today was not in that narrative.

I hate forgetting that unless we have a HoF QB on the roster, we are the Washington Generals, not the Globetrotters.

We need to try to draft out next young HoF QB so we can be in the NFL narrative again.

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The Chiefs are the narrative and we are the one team that is built to beat those guys. That is why we get taken out of games by the officials.

Chromeburn 12-28-2020 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 180994)
The Chiefs are the narrative and we are the one team that is built to beat those guys. That is why we get taken out of games by the officials.

I don't think it is that machiavellian of a plot. This stuff happened against the Packers too. It was really blatant at times. I think it is simply they want to make sure the money-making star QB teams make it into the playoffs. And the Colts are not that right now.

But the block in the back, the non PI calls, etc. They kept that team moving along.

The holds were not called on both teams. They captured some obvious ones the Colts were making. But they were grabbing and tackling our dline at times too.

albany ed 12-28-2020 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 180994)
The Chiefs are the narrative and we are the one team that is built to beat those guys. That is why we get taken out of games by the officials.

You think the Colts are built to beat the Chiefs? Reasons? I actually think the Chiefs would annihilate the Colts. Mobile QBs are the death nell for the Colts.

Colts And Orioles 12-28-2020 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 180994)



The Chiefs are the narrative, and we are the one team that is built to beat those guys. That is why we get taken out of games by the officials.





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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 181035)



You think that the Colts are built to beat the Chiefs ??? Reasons ??? I actually think that the Chiefs would annihilate the Colts. Mobile QB's are the death knell for the Colts.




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I don't believe that the Colts are "built" to beat the Chiefs, but I do think that they are capable of doing so.

Similarly, I don't think that the Colts are "built" to beat the Packers, but I do think that they are capable of doing so (as they did last month.)


I understand the general gist of Racehorse's post, but I think that the wording of it is a slight exaggeration. Aaron Rodgers is a mobile quarterback, and the Colts did a reasonably good job against him. Deshaun Watson is a mobile quarterback, and the Colts sacked him 10 times in 2 games (5 in each game.) I don't think that any defense is thrilled to have to face a mobile quarterback, but I do think that the Colts have shown that they are just as capable (if not more capable) of beating great teams like the Packers and the Chiefs as are the Bills, the Browns, and the Steelers. I would bet on the Chiefs beating all 4 of those AFC teams in the post-season, but I would give the Colts as good a chance as any of those 4 to pull the upset.

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Mr. Session 12-28-2020 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 181035)
You think the Colts are built to beat the Chiefs? Reasons? I actually think the Chiefs would annihilate the Colts. Mobile QBs are the death nell for the Colts.

I think they are capable of beating anyone when they aren't weighed down by mental hangups.

They have a mental block almost every AFC playoff team of note other than Kansas City.

After beating them with Brissett. I've never thought this team was "scared" of KC like they are of the Steelers or the Ravens.

JAFF 12-29-2020 05:07 PM

A player to be named later

njcoltfan 12-29-2020 05:40 PM

I said it when Luck bailed, he set this franchise back at least 5 years. We will be entering year 3 pretty soon and still have no idea who the QB of the future is, Rivers certainly isn’t, and if it’s not Eason, add another 2 years to my prediction.

JAFF 12-29-2020 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 181165)
I said it when Luck bailed, he set this franchise back at least 5 years. We will be entering year 3 pretty soon and still have no idea who the QB of the future is, Rivers certainly isn’t, and if it’s not Eason, add another 2 years to my prediction.

If wishes were horses, beggers would ride to town. Luck is gone. It wouldnt be different if he lost a kidney and had to retire? He didnt set the team back. That would be Irsay, who hired the WORSE tandem of coach and GM ever.

Stop kicking Luck when the D couldnt get a stop in the second half against the Steelers.

rcubed 12-29-2020 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 181187)
If wishes were horses, beggers would ride to town. Luck is gone. It wouldnt be different if he lost a kidney and had to retire? He didnt set the team back. That would be Irsay, who hired the WORSE tandem of coach and GM ever.

Stop kicking Luck when the D couldnt get a stop in the second half against the Steelers.


Luck had every right to retire and I dont blame his decision.

Yes, the D fell apart last week.

Irsay made a bad choice with gm and coach, then made it worse by sticking with them.

All true. But to say that suddenly losing your young, rising, franchise level QB didnt set the team back is foolish. Of course it set us back.


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njcoltfan 12-29-2020 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 181187)
If wishes were horses, beggers would ride to town. Luck is gone. It wouldnt be different if he lost a kidney and had to retire? He didnt set the team back. That would be Irsay, who hired the WORSE tandem of coach and GM ever.

Stop kicking Luck when the D couldnt get a stop in the second half against the Steelers.

I’m not kicking Luck, just stating fact. His actions set this team back at least 5 years.

Chromeburn 12-29-2020 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 181165)
I said it when Luck bailed, he set this franchise back at least 5 years. We will be entering year 3 pretty soon and still have no idea who the QB of the future is, Rivers certainly isn’t, and if it’s not Eason, add another 2 years to my prediction.

They just have to find the next guy. He won’t be a Peyton or Luck. You only get those guys once a generation. But if he is good they should be competitive. I just do t have a lot of faith in Rivers, I think he folds under pressure.

Chromeburn 12-29-2020 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 181187)
If wishes were horses, beggers would ride to town. Luck is gone. It wouldnt be different if he lost a kidney and had to retire? He didnt set the team back. That would be Irsay, who hired the WORSE tandem of coach and GM ever.

Stop kicking Luck when the D couldnt get a stop in the second half against the Steelers.

Or the O couldn’t score more than three points.

Maniac 12-30-2020 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 181195)
I just don't have a lot of faith in Rivers, I think he folds under pressure.

Folding is all he can do under pressure, because he sure as hell can't move out of the way of it.

Oldcolt 12-30-2020 11:21 AM

I do think we are the kind of team 'built' to beat the Chiefs. We have an offensive line that if it is producing like it can gives us a running game that keep their offense off the field. When the defense gets on the field it won't stop them cold (nobody will) but it is capable the occasional stop and of slowing them down. With a more mobile qb we might even stand a chance in a shootout-might. Long shot but if we get into the playoffs you never can tell.

Chromeburn 12-31-2020 12:23 AM

Rivers admits this game could be his last in the NFL.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/12/30/in...-last-nfl-game

Colts And Orioles 12-31-2020 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 181327)



Rivers admits that this game could be his last in the NFL.


https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/12/30/in...-last-nfl-game




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What we're all obviously hoping for (including Rivers himself) ......



Rivers Focuses On Playoffs Instead of Possible Career Finale

(By Michael Marot/Associated Press)

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rivers-fo...215533897.html

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Chaka 12-31-2020 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 181327)
Rivers admits this game could be his last in the NFL.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/12/30/in...-last-nfl-game

I think the author is really stretching things here. This is the Rivers comment that his article is centered upon:

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Stephen Holder of The Athletic reported that the idea of Rivers potentially playing in his last game crossed his mind.

"If things don't go go the way you want this weekend, it could be... I guess it's healthy to have that thought because we're not guaranteed anything going forward," Rivers told Holder.

I read that more as a "tomorrow is promised to no man" type of statement, not any sort of indication that he's contemplating retirement, or that he won't be asked back.

Brylok 12-31-2020 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 181193)
I’m not kicking Luck, just stating fact. His actions set this team back at least 5 years.

Within 2 years they're going to have to start rebuilding the rebuild.

Chromeburn 12-31-2020 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 181372)
Within 2 years they're going to have to start rebuilding the rebuild.

Until we find a QB for the future I kinda consider us still in a rebuild. We still lack some major pieces. Shutdown corner, Star pass rusher, LT possibly, number one wide receiver, and of course franchise QB. Talent overall is good, but we lack many impact positions.

njcoltfan 12-31-2020 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 181385)
Until we find a QB for the future I kinda consider us still in a rebuild. We still lack some major pieces. Shutdown corner, Star pass rusher, LT possibly, number one wide receiver, and of course franchise QB. Talent overall is good, but we lack many impact positions.

I am hoping that Eason is the QB of the future, and that Turay becomes the edge rusher that this team desperately needs!

Butter 12-31-2020 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 181386)
I am hoping that Eason is the QB of the future, and that Turay becomes the edge rusher that this team desperately needs!

That is some serious hopes and prayers level shit there.

njcoltfan 01-01-2021 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 181444)
That is some serious hopes and prayers level shit there.

You got that right !!!! If their not, it will be a long next 4 to 5 years for this franchise, barring any Buckner like trades !!

Chromeburn 01-01-2021 08:25 PM

Lots of college QBs playing this week. Mac Jones of Alabama. Justin Fields of OSU. Kyle Trask played but kinda stunk up the joint.

Chromeburn 01-01-2021 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 181386)
I am hoping that Eason is the QB of the future, and that Turay becomes the edge rusher that this team desperately needs!

I wouldn’t get your hopes up. If Turay doesn’t get on the field we will be moving on. Eason is an unknown. Strong arm, but he really folded under pressure. See if he improves. I just haven’t heard anything about his progress. Usually you get some tidbits here or there.

rcubed 01-02-2021 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 181539)
I wouldn’t get your hopes up. If Turay doesn’t get on the field we will be moving on. Eason is an unknown. Strong arm, but he really folded under pressure. See if he improves. I just haven’t heard anything about his progress. Usually you get some tidbits here or there.


Eason may be more of a project. If he elevates then ballard found our QB in the 4th round. If not, easy to move on from or maybe keep around as a back up.


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Maniac 01-02-2021 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 181538)
Lots of college QBs playing this week. Mac Jones of Alabama. Justin Fields of OSU. Kyle Trask played but kinda stunk up the joint.

Trask was playing without pretty much his entire starting WR corps, so I wouldn't put too much stock into that game. I imagine none of them were on the same page. It was hard to watch though.

Chaka 01-03-2021 12:38 PM

Carson Wentz to request trade this offseason:

http://https://www.profootballrumors.com/2021/01/carson-wentz-to-request-trade

njcoltfan 01-03-2021 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaka (Post 181618)

If he's crying about Hurts being drafted and his feelings have been hurt because he was benched, to fuckin bad, the Colts don't need him, he's to fragile!!!

rcubed 01-03-2021 01:44 PM

Wentz gets hurt too much and I wouldn’t want to give anything up for him.


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Maniac 01-03-2021 02:19 PM

Wentz's teams play better when he's not on the field. No thx.

Dam8610 01-03-2021 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Maniac (Post 181631)
Wentz's teams play better when he's not on the field. No thx.

This year. Wentz was an MVP candidate under Reich. That and the cheap acquisition cost make me interested in him.

Racehorse 01-03-2021 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 181648)
This year. Wentz was an MVP candidate under Reich. That and the cheap acquisition cost make me interested in him.

Cheap? Have you seen his contract?

Dam8610 01-03-2021 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 181686)
Cheap? Have you seen his contract?

Draft pick compensation to the Eagles and guarantees will be nonexistent if he comes here. Put it this way: would you rather pay a 1 for Stafford or a 3 for Wentz? Given his history with Reich, give me Wentz for the 3. His issues are mechanical, and Frank has cleaned them up before.

JAFF 01-03-2021 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 181693)
Draft pick compensation to the Eagles and guarantees will be nonexistent if he comes here. Put it this way: would you rather pay a 1 for Stafford or a 3 for Wentz? Given his history with Reich, give me Wentz for the 3. His issues are mechanical, and Frank has cleaned them up before.

Wait until he is cut

Dam8610 01-03-2021 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 181698)
Wait until he is cut

Eagles won't cut Wentz, that would be cap suicide. We can hope the Lions will cut Stafford, but that's not a guarantee.

jasperhobbs 01-03-2021 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 181701)
Eagles won't cut Wentz, that would be cap suicide. We can hope the Lions will cut Stafford, but that's not a guarantee.

It might be a similar situation to when Houston traded Osweiler and a second round pick to the Browns and didn't get much in return but unloaded his salary to a team that could absorb it. Same situation with Wentz but better for the Colts as Wentz has talent and Osweiler never did.

JAFF 01-03-2021 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 181701)
Eagles won't cut Wentz, that would be cap suicide. We can hope the Lions will cut Stafford, but that's not a guarantee.

It was sarcasm, catch up will you?

Chromeburn 01-04-2021 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 181386)
I am hoping that Eason is the QB of the future, and that Turay becomes the edge rusher that this team desperately needs!

FYI Turay had:
15 snaps
3 QB hits
1 Sack

Good showing from him. Now he needs to stay on the field. Pity he is just now really getting on it.

Chaka 01-04-2021 11:58 AM

According to Adam Schefter, Jets haven't decided whether to trade Darnold or the #2 pick.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/sta...55149860540418

I strongly suspect this is just an effort to build a little leverage for the inevitable Darnold trade. From their perspective, I don't know why they'd keep a QB who is becoming much more expensive and hasn't performed up to expectations, particularly when they're going to be rebuilding anyway. Taking a QB at #2 seems to make far more sense.

Ironically enough, by losing the #1 overall pick, they've increased Darnold's trade value. If they had #1 overall, they'd have an even harder time convincing any potential trade partners that they were planning on keeping him.


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