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ZiaColt 04-05-2018 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 62195)
I’d guess Ballard wants additional picks more than he wants to improve the quality of his existing pics. Moving pics from rounds 5, 6, and 7 up into rounds 2, 3, and maybe 4 might work. But I think his goal is to get as many chances as he can in rounds 1, 2, and 3 where you have a better chance of acquiring starter level talent.

no doubt, but I'm not sure where those additional picks in the higher rounds would come from, especially in a trade with Miami. Maybe 2019 picks, but I'm not a big fan of future picks. The trade I listed at least allows Ballard to move from 3rd (#67) to 2nd (#42) and from 4th (#104) to 3rd (#73). And someone like Smith, Edmunds or Fitzpatrick should still be there at #11.

If, and only if, Chubb is already gone at #6, I'd think about making that kind of trade if it were offered (rather than using the pick on Nelson). If Barkley's still there at #6, my fear is that the owner will "overrule" the GM and use the pick rather than trading it.

Maniac 04-05-2018 06:36 PM

There is absolutely no way the Colts would do that deal and not get the #11 pick from them.

ZiaColt 04-05-2018 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JesusChrist (Post 62202)
There is absolutely no way the Colts would do that deal and not get the #11 pick from them.

the trade I listed? They do, that's one of the major points of it. Colts send #6 to Miami for #11, but also move up from #67 to #42 and from #104 to #73. They still get an impact player at #11 (Smith, James, Fitzpatrick, maybe Edmunds if the 49ers don't take him) and they increase their chances of finding major contributors, if not starters, in Rounds 2 and 3 with #36, #37, #42, #49 and #73.

But the whole trade would hinge on 1) Chubb already being gone, 2) a QB still being available, and 3) Miami being convinced he could be their eventual QB.

I'm not sold on Mayfield or Allen myself, but I may be in the minority at this point.

Spike 04-05-2018 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JesusChrist (Post 62202)
There is absolutely no way the Colts would do that deal and not get the #11 pick from them.

I totally agree. This is one reason I think this report is total bullshit.

njcoltfan 04-05-2018 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 62196)
I call bullshit, on this rumor.

That shithead Florioisadick at PFT has not mentioned anything all day about this reported trade rumor, so I agree with you...... BULLSHIT!!

ZiaColt 04-05-2018 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 62211)
I totally agree. This is one reason I think this report is total bullshit.

Overall, the report sounds credible in a very general sense (that both sides may be talking) but the part about Miami keeping #11 does sound like a leak to Kiper planted by someone in the Dolphins building.

If I'm Ballard the trade HAS to start with getting #11 and then I ask Miami's GM "what else you offering?"

Coltsalr 04-05-2018 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ZiaColt (Post 62213)
Overall, the report sounds credible in a very general sense (that both sides may be talking) but the part about Miami keeping #11 does sound like a leak to Kiper planted by someone in the Dolphins building.

If I'm Ballard the trade HAS to start with getting #11 and then I ask Miami's GM "what else you offering?"

Laremy Tunsil (to move back to Guard where he excelled in 2016 as a rookie) would be an intriguing sweetener to offering us the #11 overall pick.

Spike 04-05-2018 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ZiaColt (Post 62213)
Overall, the report sounds credible in a very general sense (that both sides may be talking) but the part about Miami keeping #11 does sound like a leak to Kiper planted by someone in the Dolphins building.

If I'm Ballard the trade HAS to start with getting #11 and then I ask Miami's GM "what else you offering?"

The only trade Ballard should even be contemplating right now is getting Buffalo's 2 first round picks. Even at that, if Chubb is still sitting there, I draft him at number 6. The one guy I don't want the Colts drafting is Barkley that high. Barkley is no Edgerrin James.

ZiaColt 04-05-2018 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 62216)
Laremy Tunsil (to move back to Guard where he excelled in 2016 as a rookie) would be an intriguing sweetener to offering us the #11 overall pick.

I get the sense Ballard is a guy who's generally more interested in draft picks than in someone else's players. I may be totally off base with that, but given how much he's talked about building through the draft, I think he'd prefer something like the trade I mentioned, or a similar one.

And I'd be surprised if he made any move before the actual draft. Wait and see if Chubb gets picked at #2, #4 or #5, and if he does, THEN maybe do a deal.

Unless there really is another "mystery player" Ballard really likes at #6 (Edmunds?)

YDFL Commish 04-05-2018 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 62217)
The only trade Ballard should even be contemplating right now is getting Buffalo's 2 first round picks. Even at that, if Chubb is still sitting there, I draft him at number 6. The one guy I don't want the Colts drafting is Barkley that high. Barkley is no Edgerrin James.

Maybe not the total package, no. Edge had i incredible pass blocking skills. But in every other way he has as much or more than Edge.


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