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VeveJones007 03-11-2017 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 6022)
which is why i trust ballard here. he knows exactly what he is buying.

And it sounds like NT isn't deep in this draft. A short-term deal for Poe doesn't address the position long-term, but it adds an asset that they could then tag or extend if he proves to be healthy and good.

omahacolt 03-11-2017 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 6030)
That was probably the first tell, when Pagano/Grigson brought over guys they were familiar with (Zbikowski, Winston Justice, etc) and they sucked.

But we paid those guys like they sucked. We all knew it

VeveJones007 03-11-2017 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 6029)
Yeah. If he gets this one wrong it'll be hard to trust his judgement on anything. For now there's no reason to doubt whatever choice he makes here.

If Ballard signs Poe for 1 year, then it's a low risk signing and should not be given the degree of importance you're placing on it.

Butter 03-11-2017 06:01 PM

Donkeys sign Kerr and Peko.

Spike 03-11-2017 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Thorgrim (Post 5908)
Butler should have been signed by now. Last year he proved that he can play safety while still retaining a nose for the football which has always been an unappreciated strength of his. What's more, we know exactly what we have in him. Why replace him with a jag? Even if we draft a safety he would be a reliable backup and a positive veteran influence in the secondary. Can't imagine he would command an unacceptable contract.

Some dipshit projected 3 years, $11.4M with $3.7M guaranteed. I have to agree that is probably the range where Butler will sign. If so, I would have liked to have him back for that price.

smitty46953 03-11-2017 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 6073)
Some dipshit projected 3 years, $11.4M with $3.7M guaranteed. I have to agree that is probably the range where Butler will sign. If so, I would have liked to have him back for that price.

I would give him that, oh wait a minute I don't have that much ... I could give him $2.58 and 20 minutes with Omaha's better half ... :cool:

Puck 03-11-2017 09:28 PM

I am kind of interested in Trumaine Johnson for our 2nd. He is proven but of course he has a cost associated with him.

I like the idea of drafting players but but this team needs pieces now. I would hope it would end up as good as the VD trade.

Like Omaha said in an earlier post. (Paraphrase). We have holes and money so it isn't that big of a deal if we overspend a little to get what we need.

Puck 03-11-2017 10:35 PM

Fluker is a Giant.

sherck 03-11-2017 11:39 PM

What is up with the ILBs? Hightower, Brown, Hodges, Riley, Minter. None signed.

Come on, Ballard. Get one.

Cheers,

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sherck 03-11-2017 11:41 PM

Day 4 hopes:

Poe, Butler, one of the ILBs.

Cheers,

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Puck 03-11-2017 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 6104)
Day 4 hopes:

Poe, Butler, one of the ILBs.

Cheers,

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I dont think they are bringing Butler back. I think they are going to give Green a shot.

Again I dont think this is a win it all or bust season... its more about restructuring instead of rebuilding. I think the older guys are going to be disappearing

omahacolt 03-12-2017 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 6105)
I dont think they are bringing Butler back. I think they are going to give Green a shot.

Again I dont think this is a win it all or bust season... its more about restructuring instead of rebuilding. I think the older guys are going to be disappearing

They will bring butler back at the right price.

Puck 03-12-2017 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 6106)
They will bring butler back at the right price.

I'm not opposed to it, Just thinking if they were going to they would have. Not sure why the wait

Puck 03-12-2017 12:45 AM

I wonder if the hold up on Butler is if he wants CB money and they want to pay Safety money. I wonder how much difference the pay is?

omahacolt 03-12-2017 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 6110)
I wonder if the hold up on Butler is if he wants CB money and they want to pay Safety money. I wonder how much difference the pay is?

They were in talks. So they must be far off on price

Colt Classic 03-12-2017 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 6110)
I wonder if the hold up on Butler is if he wants CB money and they want to pay Safety money. I wonder how much difference the pay is?

Wouldn't it be either starting safety or nickel corner? I wouldn't want him as a starter on the outside because he isn't as valuable or as good there. Let him walk if someone else wants to play/pay him to be a starting CB.

Puck 03-12-2017 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Colt Classic (Post 6119)
Wouldn't it be either starting safety or nickel corner? I wouldn't want him as a starter on the outside because he isn't as valuable or as good there. Let him walk if someone else wants to play/pay him to be a starting CB.



Yes. Slot. BUt he is versatile so he may be wanting paid to match that versatility

He has experience and could/should be one of the leaders on the D and if he plays Safety this yr it would give Green another yr to learn. Green was not very good last yr but neither was Collins his first yr. I am not saying Green can be Landin Collins, but he could be better this yr

apballin 03-12-2017 10:15 AM

What about a Claiborne, similar to Vontae at the point of his career he came here and turned things around

omahacolt 03-12-2017 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 6123)
What about a Claiborne, similar to Vontae at the point of his career he came here and turned things around

no

he isn't very good

GoBigBlue88 03-12-2017 10:32 AM

https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/s...32906407202816

Dontari Poe en route to Indy for 1st visit. Colts want him long term but that'll take big $. Poe willing to go 1yr route. ATL, MIA, OAK next


Interesting that Colts want Poe long-term.

YDFL Commish 03-12-2017 10:40 AM

Most of the CB's left on the market are zone guys that really don't fit our system.

Puck 03-12-2017 10:52 AM

Jason La Canfora‏ @JasonLaCanfora

Dontati Poe en route to Indy for 1st visit. Colts want him long term but that'll take big $. Poe willing to go 1yr route. ATL, MIA, OAK next


I wonder if he is in Irsay's jet? That would mean they are serious

Puck 03-12-2017 11:03 AM

Josina Anderson‏ @JosinaAnderson
Spoke to Dontari Poe last night. He said he's "looking forward " to visiting the #Colts. "They're trying to get something done," he added.

njcoltfan 03-12-2017 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 6129)
Jason La Canfora‏ @JasonLaCanfora

Dontati Poe en route to Indy for 1st visit. Colts want him long term but that'll take big $. Poe willing to go 1yr route. ATL, MIA, OAK next


I wonder if he is in Irsay's jet? That would mean they are serious

to me the bigger question is.................... does he have a ticket to leave ....

omahacolt 03-12-2017 11:05 AM

if we get poe

that will go a long way with me in determining if ballard had a successful free agent season. adding talent to the dline is always a plus in my book. the best pass rushers never came free so this was the next best step

Lov2fish 03-12-2017 11:54 AM

If Poe is back close to what he was I would love to see him signed even if he is slightly over paid. Big dudes that take up space and command attention from opposing D-Coordinators don't fall of trees

omahacolt 03-12-2017 12:05 PM

so if we get poe, which i think we will, where does that leave us?

get an ilber

- brown, hodges

get a cb

-butler (hopefully he comes back)
- not sure who i feel is next best here.

safety

-that kid from buffalo that they released
- webb? was he decent at safety for baltimore?

Puck 03-12-2017 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 6139)
so if we get poe, which i think we will, where does that leave us?

get an ilber

- brown, hodges

get a cb

-butler (hopefully he comes back)
- not sure who i feel is next best here.

safety

-that kid from buffalo that they released
- webb? was he decent at safety for baltimore?

TJ McDonald at safety???

njcoltfan 03-12-2017 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 6139)
so if we get poe, which i think we will, where does that leave us?

get an ilber

- brown, hodges

get a cb

-butler (hopefully he comes back)
- not sure who i feel is next best here.

safety

-that kid from buffalo that they released
- webb? was he decent at safety for baltimore?

Lets sign Poe first, then sign either Minter or Brown, then this off- season would be an A+ as far as I'm concerned !!!

Puck 03-12-2017 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 6132)
if we get poe

that will go a long way with me in determining if ballard had a successful free agent season. adding talent to the dline is always a plus in my book. the best pass rushers never came free so this was the next best step

I'll be honest. I don't think Poe alone is enough. I'd like them to look at Bennie Logan, Hankins, and Odrick.

I think Parry is gone, I think they need to upgrade Jones, and I am not completely confident in Andersen. But I do like Ridgeway.

Still have money left. We need players. Go get them

natagu23 03-12-2017 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 6139)
so if we get poe, which i think we will, where does that leave us?

get an ilber

- brown, hodges

get a cb

-butler (hopefully he comes back)
- not sure who i feel is next best here.

safety

-that kid from buffalo that they released
- webb? was he decent at safety for baltimore?


Resigning Butler has to be a priority. Im willing to go "as-is" at the safety spot if we can get Butler back. Maybe draft another safety in the 4th or 5th round to get depth.

I would love for us to go after Zach Brown at ILB. The guy is solid.

Corner should be addressed in the 2nd round of the draft imo, and again later in the draft.

Puck 03-12-2017 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by natagu23 (Post 6146)
Resigning Butler has to be a priority. Im willing to go "as-is" at the safety spot if we can get Butler back. Maybe draft another safety in the 4th or 5th round to get depth.

I would love for us to go after Zach Brown at ILB. The guy is solid.

Corner should be addressed in the 2nd round of the draft imo, and again later in the draft.


Two rookies and Melvin does not give me a lot of confidence. Need at least one more VFA at CB

natagu23 03-12-2017 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 6145)
I'll be honest. I don't think Poe alone is enough. I'd like them to look at Bennie Logan, Hankins, and Odrick.

I think Parry is gone, I think they need to upgrade Jones, and I am not completely confident in Andersen. But I do like Ridgeway.

Still have money left. We need players. Go get them

If we get Poe, I think the dline will be one of the strongest units on the team. I think Anderson will be fine. He had flashes last season, and he'll learn to trust his injured knee.

If Jones can pull it together, the dline could be actually be very good.

Puck 03-12-2017 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by natagu23 (Post 6148)
If we get Poe, I think the dline will be one of the strongest units on the team. I think Anderson will be fine. He had flashes last season, and he'll learn to trust his injured knee.

If Jones can pull it together, the dline could be actually be very good.


But if you can upgrade Jones' position with a reasonable amount of money and get younger that is the way to go IMO.

I'M TIRED OF GETTING KIILED BY THE RUN!!!!!

Puck 03-12-2017 12:50 PM

Pat McAfee‏ @PatMcAfeeShow

.@PoeMans_dream.. welcome 2 Indy boss..it's 30 degrees 2day, will be 80 2morrow..12's ur QB..The Indy 500's on the horizon..this is home man
12:40 PM · Mar 12, 2017

GoBigBlue88 03-12-2017 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 6139)
so if we get poe, which i think we will, where does that leave us?

get an ilber

- brown, hodges

get a cb

-butler (hopefully he comes back)
- not sure who i feel is next best here.

safety

-that kid from buffalo that they released
- webb? was he decent at safety for baltimore?

I think the Poe contract would mostly leave them to solving as much as they can for the rest via the draft.

Would have to think ILB, EDGE and CB would be the big draft targets. Would be hard to argue against any.

If this team had another Day 2 pick, I might even argue a case where they trade up for Reuben Foster...

smitty46953 03-12-2017 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by natagu23 (Post 6146)
Resigning Butler has to be a priority. Im willing to go "as-is" at the safety spot if we can get Butler back. Maybe draft another safety in the 4th or 5th round to get depth.

I would love for us to go after Zach Brown at ILB. The guy is solid.

Corner should be addressed in the 2nd round of the draft imo, and again later in the draft.

I agree, love to have Zach Brown ... :cool:

omahacolt 03-12-2017 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 6140)
TJ McDonald at safety???

I am looking for more of a coverage guy

natagu23 03-12-2017 01:05 PM

Man im really hoping we can ink this guy.

FatDT 03-12-2017 01:05 PM

The most-informed Chiefs writing I've read shows the following narrative:

- Poe was at the top of the league for a season and change. Game changer rushing the passer while still playing the run well.
- His injury and surgery really held him back the last two seasons. He played through it, but his play suffered.
- It's unclear when/if he'll get back to 2014 form.
- If he doesn't, he's still a good player. The Chiefs run defense was bad because of injury their starting LBs and DL. Poe was not dominant, but he did his job and got no help.

Lots of risk in signing him long-term.


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