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smitty46953 03-10-2017 10:33 PM
Really like to hear Zack Brown as next to sign ... :cool:

smitty46953 03-10-2017 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 5715)
I didn't think he was that great with KC ... Space eater at 6'3" 345# but kinda over rated IMHO... He had decent 2nd and 3rd years, but last two years not so much... :cool:
Jason La Canfora‏Verified account @JasonLaCanfora · 3m3 minutes ago

Dontari Poe in high demand. Visits Colts Sun, JAX, ATL, OAK and MIA wants visits as well. If Indy doesn't come correct he'll be traveling

:cool:

omahacolt 03-10-2017 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 5938)
Jason La Canfora‏Verified account @JasonLaCanfora · 3m3 minutes ago

Dontari Poe in high demand. Visits Colts Sun, JAX, ATL, OAK and MIA wants visits as well. If Indy doesn't come correct he'll be traveling

:cool:
How are you liking twitter

smitty46953 03-10-2017 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 5939)
How are you liking twitter
Not sure how you meant that question? 2 answers

1. I just copied it and then pasted it ...
2. I kinda like it, get lot of news fast ... When have time to monitor it

:cool:

omahacolt 03-10-2017 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 5940)
Not sure how you meant that question? 2 answers

1. I just copied it and then pasted it ...
2. I kinda like it, get lot of news fast ... When have time to monitor it

:cool:
Best way for news imo

Coltsalr 03-10-2017 11:22 PM
@JasonLaCanfora
Dontari Poe in high demand. Visits Colts Sun, JAX, ATL, OAK and MIA wants visits as well. If Indy doesn't come correct he'll be traveling


Don't leave without a contract, Ballard.

Yes, I'm aware that he's overrated. Our current NT not only sucks (imo) but he's also facing 5 years prison time. We could do a whole hell of a lot worse than giving him a prove it contract. We probably WILL do a lot worse without him.

Dam8610 03-10-2017 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 5931)
Your opinion of a players ability means nothing to me
What a coincedence.

1) The feeling is mutual.

2) I don't really give a shit what you think.

Dam8610 03-10-2017 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88 (Post 5930)
It's baffling how few GMs seem to understand the value of trades. If you have a #good team, known quality (players you trade for) are far more often better than draft picks (unknown quality).

I don't blame the Colts, for instance, for acquiring draft capital, because they need to create a roster / culture / youth movement. So it makes sense for them.

But why the hell the Chiefs, for instance, aren't all over the trade market is beyond me.
Trading away draft picks for players is a great way to end up with an aging, overpaid roster.

Dam8610 03-10-2017 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 5944)
@JasonLaCanfora
Dontari Poe in high demand. Visits Colts Sun, JAX, ATL, OAK and MIA wants visits as well. If Indy doesn't come correct he'll be traveling


Don't leave without a contract, Ballard.

Yes, I'm aware that he's overrated. Our current NT not only sucks (imo) but he's also facing 5 years prison time. We could do a whole hell of a lot worse than giving him a prove it contract. We probably WILL do a lot worse without him.
Hopefully Poe won't leave Indy on Sunday.

omahacolt 03-10-2017 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 5946)
Trading away draft picks for players is a great way to end up with an aging, overpaid roster.
Not exactly. Depends who you trade for

GoBigBlue88 03-10-2017 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 5946)
Trading away draft picks for players is a great way to end up with an aging, overpaid roster.
If I can give up a pick just to move back 10-20 selections, and get a known quantity in return, I do it almost every time.

This assumes your pro scouting department is capable, though.

natagu23 03-11-2017 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 5944)
@JasonLaCanfora
Dontari Poe in high demand. Visits Colts Sun, JAX, ATL, OAK and MIA wants visits as well. If Indy doesn't come correct he'll be traveling


Don't leave without a contract, Ballard.

Yes, I'm aware that he's overrated. Our current NT not only sucks (imo) but he's also facing 5 years prison time. We could do a whole hell of a lot worse than giving him a prove it contract. We probably WILL do a lot worse without him.
He's definitely overrated but if he can play like he did his rookie season, then I wouldn't mind over paying.

Poe can make Pagano's whole 3-4 sh*t actually work.

Then imagine getting Barnett in the draft and Henry Anderson and Langford fully bouncing back? wowzers.

GoBigBlue88 03-11-2017 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by natagu23 (Post 5954)
He's definitely overrated but if he can play like he did his rookie season, then I wouldn't mind over paying.

Poe can make Pagano's whole 3-4 sh*t actually work.

Then imagine getting Barnett in the draft and Henry Anderson and Langford fully bouncing back? wowzers.
Then they would still have no corners other than Vontae, and be starting TJ Green at safety...

It's gonna be a work in progress no matter what.

sherck 03-11-2017 12:39 AM
Day 3 / Day 4 Targets:

OG:
T.J. Lang
Austin Pasztor

NT:
Dontari Poe

ILB:
Dont'a Hightower
Zach Brown
Gerald Hodges
Kevin Minter

Safety:
J.J. Wilcox
Isa Abdul-Quddas
Bradley McDougald

CB:
Morris Clayborn
Darius Butler
Nickell-Robey Coleman

Thats sbout it for 1st phase of free agency.

Grab Poe, an ILB and a secondary guy and it will have been an excellent free agency week.

Cheers,


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Brylok 03-11-2017 12:52 AM
Are we desperate for Poe now after the Parry video? Are we completely screwed at the NT position?

VeveJones007 03-11-2017 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88 (Post 5956)
Then they would still have no corners other than Vontae, and be starting TJ Green at safety...

It's gonna be a work in progress no matter what.
I trust the guy that scouted Charles Tillman and Marcus Peters to find good corners.

VeveJones007 03-11-2017 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 5958)
Day 3 / Day 4 Targets:

OG:
T.J. Lang
Austin Pasztor

NT:
Dontari Poe

ILB:
Dont'a Hightower
Zach Brown
Gerald Hodges
Kevin Minter

Safety:
J.J. Wilcox
Isa Abdul-Quddas
Bradley McDougald

CB:
Morris Clayborn
Darius Butler
Nickell-Robey Coleman

Thats sbout it for 1st phase of free agency.

Grab Poe, an ILB and a secondary guy and it will have been an excellent free agency week.

Cheers,


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1st - Barnett, Harris, or Riddick
2nd - McMillan or CB

Suddenly the defense could be stabilized. If Luck is healthy, then this team will look infinitely better in year 1.

natagu23 03-11-2017 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 5958)
Day 3 / Day 4 Targets:

OG:
T.J. Lang
Austin Pasztor

NT:
Dontari Poe

ILB:
Dont'a Hightower
Zach Brown
Gerald Hodges
Kevin Minter

Safety:
J.J. Wilcox
Isa Abdul-Quddas
Bradley McDougald

CB:
Morris Clayborn
Darius Butler
Nickell-Robey Coleman

Thats sbout it for 1st phase of free agency.

Grab Poe, an ILB and a secondary guy and it will have been an excellent free agency week.

Cheers,


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How much money do we have left?

natagu23 03-11-2017 02:31 AM
Hightower has to be a priority target.

We have to get a stud in the middle.

sherck 03-11-2017 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by natagu23 (Post 5972)
How much money do we have left?
The details of Sheards' contract have not been released yet but multiple reports are saying that he will be paid $10m in first year.

Taking that number, the Colts have right at $30m left to sign new free agents and still pay the practice squad, pay the draft class, pay #52 & #53 on the active roster and have in season "churn" space.

Cheerd,

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sherck 03-11-2017 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 5960)
Are we desperate for Poe now after the Parry video? Are we completely screwed at the NT position?
There are some nice kids in the draft so we are not completely screwed but Poe and a rookie is a MUCH better solution then Kerr and a rookie or 2 rookies.

Cheers,

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Indiana V2 03-11-2017 08:27 AM
Other than Poe has anyone seen where we've set up meetings with other free agents?

HoosierinFL 03-11-2017 09:01 AM
I think Poe is a colt. Ballard would not invite him if he didn't want him. Few guys who visit leave Indy without a deal, guys seem to like the org when they meet everybody.

Dewey 5 03-11-2017 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by HoosierinFL (Post 5986)
I think Poe is a colt. Ballard would not invite him if he didn't want him. Few guys who visit leave Indy without a deal, guys seem to like the org when they meet everybody.
Just don't over pay for him.

Dewey 5 03-11-2017 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 5946)
Trading away draft picks for players is a great way to end up with an aging, overpaid roster.
Cooks is only 23. The cheats hold the 5th year option. The cheats have the NFL figured out better than everyone else. I hate them. They will be in the SB again next year.

omahacolt 03-11-2017 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 5990)
Just don't over pay for him.
Who cares at this point? He is a good player and we can afford to overpay some

Dam8610 03-11-2017 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 5990)
Just don't over pay for him.
Overpay this year to get a reasonable remainder of the contract.

njcoltfan 03-11-2017 11:30 AM
I still would like to see the Colts sign Minter or Brown.

HoosierinFL 03-11-2017 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 5995)
Who cares at this point? He is a good player and we can afford to overpay some
Yep, esp since it is likely to be a 1 year " prove it" deal.

smitty46953 03-11-2017 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Indiana V2 (Post 5981)
Other than Poe has anyone seen where we've set up meetings with other free agents?
Have not heard of any here, other than Poe ... :cool:

smitty46953 03-11-2017 12:10 PM
Looks like Walden not coming back ... :cool:


Erik Walden‏Verified account
@E_Ninety3

I'll like to give thanks to Irsay Family and the entire Colts Organization for four great years of memories and relationships that will last

Hoopsdoc 03-11-2017 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 6009)
Looks like Walden not coming back ... :cool:


Erik Walden‏Verified account
@E_Ninety3

I'll like to give thanks to Irsay Family and the entire Colts Organization for four great years of memories and relationships that will last
He took a lot of crap for that contract but ended up being a solid, reliable guy on the field.

Thanks for the memories, Erik.

Hoopsdoc 03-11-2017 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 5995)
Who cares at this point? He is a good player and we can afford to overpay some
Yep. Don't let him leave without a contract, because if he does, with so many other teams interested, he won't be back.

Ballards history with him is a plus, IMO.

omahacolt 03-11-2017 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 6013)
Yep. Don't let him leave without a contract, because if he does, with so many other teams interested, he won't be back.

Ballards history with him is a plus, IMO.
which is why i trust ballard here. he knows exactly what he is buying.

FatDT 03-11-2017 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 6022)
which is why i trust ballard here. he knows exactly what he is buying.
Yeah. If he gets this one wrong it'll be hard to trust his judgement on anything. For now there's no reason to doubt whatever choice he makes here.

Coltsalr 03-11-2017 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 6029)
Yeah. If he gets this one wrong it'll be hard to trust his judgement on anything. For now there's no reason to doubt whatever choice he makes here.
That was probably the first tell, when Pagano/Grigson brought over guys they were familiar with (Zbikowski, Winston Justice, etc) and they sucked.

FatDT 03-11-2017 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 6030)
That was probably the first tell, when Pagano/Grigson brought over guys they were familiar with (Zbikowski, Winston Justice, etc) and they sucked.
Good point. It happened multiple times with both.

Justice, McGlynn, Cole, Herremans for Grigson. Zbikowski, McKinney, Jones for Pagano. Was Redding really the only guy from the group that worked out?

Wyatt 03-11-2017 04:37 PM
Butler is visiting the bears

Hoopsdoc 03-11-2017 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 6022)
which is why i trust ballard here. he knows exactly what he is buying.
I'm trying to think, when was the last time the Colts had a DT who made a pro bowl at some point in his career? Cory Simon? Did Booger ever make a pro bowl? I'm fairly certain Raheem Brock never did.

Someone help me out, I'm drawing a blank here.

Edit-Tommy Harris did, but never played a regular season game in Indy.

VeveJones007 03-11-2017 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 5994)
Cooks is only 23. The cheats hold the 5th year option. The cheats have the NFL figured out better than everyone else. I hate them. They will be in the SB again next year.
Old QBs can take one hit and then never be the same. Look how quickly PM dropped off late in 2014. Counting on Brady to be great very much longer is a big ????


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