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Spike 04-27-2017 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 11442)
I would really like to see the Colts pick Jordan Willis tomorrow.

I would like to see the Colts pick Lamp tomorrow if he is still available.

Spike 04-27-2017 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 11443)
Zach Cunningham, Forrest Lamp, Dalvin Cook, Joe Mixon, or Quincy Wilson. Want one of those.

Yes please, in order. Lamp, Cunningham, Wilson, Mixon, Cook.

smitty46953 04-27-2017 11:57 PM

Edge Tim Williams still out there too ... :cool:

VeveJones007 04-28-2017 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 11445)
Yes please, in order. Lamp, Cunningham, Wilson, Mixon, Cook.

Should definitely find a player that can help at 2.14.

I'm crossing my fingers for Sidney Jones in Rd 3.

VeveJones007 04-28-2017 12:11 AM

I'm guessing it'll be a CB--Wilson/King/Tankersley in order of preference.

Blue Thunder 04-28-2017 12:11 AM

Could be a Corner. If we're lucky King, Tankersly, Wilson, even Moreau would be great. Jordan Willis could be in play for edge.

nate505 04-28-2017 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 11266)
I wanted a pass-rusher but I'm fine with this.

Yeah, I can get wanting some of the other guys but I see no issues here. Granted, his tackling kind of sucks but holy hell do the Colts need DB help and this guy is supremely talented.

Chromeburn 04-28-2017 12:38 AM

Jordan Willis
Rivers
Bowser
Williams

King
Moreau
Tankersly

Malik McDowell

Cunningham

Lamp

I would really like to see pass rush though and I'm really hoping we have a shot at Willis.

Oldcolt 04-28-2017 01:09 AM

Geathers and Hooker have the possibility to be something special. This team has so few playmakers that if Hooker is one who can complain? We have so many holes that we just need to keep adding quality.

Racehorse 04-28-2017 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 11291)
Ohio State Safety as was Mike Doss ? Is Omaha wacking it ??? :eek:

Dam was the one "scratching" his head.

sherck 04-28-2017 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 11314)
Concert

You really were on a roll last night!

I was at a Michael W. Smith concert with my wife celebrating our 16th anniversary.

Good time had at the concert and I got home just in time for my son to start ranting about taking a safety over a DT!

His signature phrase? "Ballard said that he was going to build the trenches! Safety is NOT a trench position!"

Good times had by all! :)

Cheers,

sherck 04-28-2017 08:34 AM

CB Quincy Wilson, Florida
CB Kevin King, Washington
CB Chidobe Awuzie, Colorado
CB Sidney Jones, Washington

OLB Jordan Willis, Kansas State
OLB Tim Williams, Alabama
OLB Tyus Bowser, Houston
OLB Ryan Anderson, Alabama

DT Malik McDowell, Michigan State
DE Chris Wormley, Michigan

ILB Zach Cunningham, Vanderbilt

OG Forrest Lamp
OT Cam Robinson

There are 13 names on the list of guys that I would love to have in the 2nd round. We pick with the 14th pick.

Considering that there are still offensive guys on the board like: Davin Cook, Joe Mixon, Alvin Kamara, Gerald Everett, Pat Elfein and JuJu Smith-Schuster, I am pretty confident that we will get someone off that list.

In the top half of the 2nd round, each pick is worth a “spread” of about 10 points.

Trading away our 5th round pick (158 overall; 27.8 points) could move us up 2 or 3 spots to 2-12 or 2-11.
Trading away our last 4th round pick (144 overall, 33.5 points) could move us up 3 spots to 2-11.
Trading away our middle 4th round pick (137 overall, 37.0 points) could probably move us up 4 spots to 2-10.
Trading away our top 4th round pick (121 overall, 52.0 points) could move us up 5 spots to 2-9.
Trading away our 3rd round pick (80 overall; 190 points) puts us at the top of round two (33 overall; 580 points) with getting 50 points back or around a mid 4th round pick.

Worth it if the “right” CB or OLB is sitting just a few spots away from where we pick at 2-14.

Cheers,

albany ed 04-28-2017 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sherck (Post 11494)
You really were on a roll last night!

I was at a Michael W. Smith concert with my wife celebrating our 16th anniversary.

Good time had at the concert and I got home just in time for my son to start ranting about taking a safety over a DT!

His signature phrase? "Ballard said that he was going to build the trenches! Safety is NOT a trench position!"

Good times had by all! :)

Cheers,

FYI, after the Colts chose Hooker, there were no DTs chosen for the remainder of the first round. So, tell your son, his DT choice remains available.

VeveJones007 04-28-2017 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sherck (Post 11501)
CB Quincy Wilson, Florida
CB Kevin King, Washington
CB Chidobe Awuzie, Colorado
CB Sidney Jones, Washington

OLB Jordan Willis, Kansas State
OLB Tim Williams, Alabama
OLB Tyus Bowser, Houston
OLB Ryan Anderson, Alabama

DT Malik McDowell, Michigan State
DE Chris Wormley, Michigan

ILB Zach Cunningham, Vanderbilt

OG Forrest Lamp
OT Cam Robinson

There are 13 names on the list of guys that I would love to have in the 2nd round. We pick with the 14th pick.

Considering that there are still offensive guys on the board like: Davin Cook, Joe Mixon, Alvin Kamara, Gerald Everett, Pat Elfein and JuJu Smith-Schuster, I am pretty confident that we will get someone off that list.

In the top half of the 2nd round, each pick is worth a “spread” of about 10 points.

Trading away our 5th round pick (158 overall; 27.8 points) could move us up 2 or 3 spots to 2-12 or 2-11.
Trading away our last 4th round pick (144 overall, 33.5 points) could move us up 3 spots to 2-11.
Trading away our middle 4th round pick (137 overall, 37.0 points) could probably move us up 4 spots to 2-10.
Trading away our top 4th round pick (121 overall, 52.0 points) could move us up 5 spots to 2-9.
Trading away our 3rd round pick (80 overall; 190 points) puts us at the top of round two (33 overall; 580 points) with getting 50 points back or around a mid 4th round pick.

Worth it if the “right” CB or OLB is sitting just a few spots away from where we pick at 2-14.

Cheers,

I think Wilson is the only player you can make a strong argument for trading up. Some analysts have him as a top 15 player and his size/ability to press would be good fits for this defense.

sherck 04-28-2017 09:28 AM

Playing around with this a bit more:

CB Quincy Wilson, Florida
CB Kevin King, Washington
CB Chidobe Awuzie, Colorado

Three kids whom I think could all come in and immediately start for us at CB2 as a pretty quality press CB. I prefer Awuzie over the other two by just a tad but all three are high quality kids and fill a HUGE need at CB to pair with our brand new free safety for years to come!

A couple of scenarios:

Colts trade 2-14 and 3-16 (630 points) to GB for 2-1, 4-28 and 6-29 (624 points). Slide back from mid-3rd round for a late 4th round plus pick up a 6th round pick in order to get the choice of our CB.

I don't know if GB would want to trade back again since they did trade out of the 1st round already. Asking them to wait until 2-14 to pick might be a bit much.

Colts trade 2-14 and 3-16 (630 points) to SEA for 2-2 and 4-4 (632). We would probably have to thrown in a future 6th round pick in order to exceed the point value in 2017 but whatever. Slide back 31 spots from 3rd to 4th round in order to move up 12 spots in the 2nd round.

I think either of these scenarios are very doable if Ballard has 1st round grades on any of those CBs.

If we miss out on those CBs, I expect a veteran CB to be signed by the end of the weekend.

Cheers,

sherck 04-28-2017 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 11503)
FYI, after the Colts chose Hooker, there were no DTs chosen for the remainder of the first round. So, tell your son, his DT choice remains available.

Ummmm, Jonathan Allen would have played the DT role for us. That is who my son wanted.

Cheers,

VeveJones007 04-28-2017 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sherck (Post 11514)
Playing around with this a bit more:

CB Quincy Wilson, Florida
CB Kevin King, Washington
CB Chidobe Awuzie, Colorado

Three kids whom I think could all come in and immediately start for us at CB2 as a pretty quality press CB. I prefer Awuzie over the other two by just a tad but all three are high quality kids and fill a HUGE need at CB to pair with our brand new free safety for years to come!

A couple of scenarios:

Colts trade 2-14 and 3-16 (630 points) to GB for 2-1, 4-28 and 6-29 (624 points). Slide back from mid-3rd round for a late 4th round plus pick up a 6th round pick in order to get the choice of our CB.

I don't know if GB would want to trade back again since they did trade out of the 1st round already. Asking them to wait until 2-14 to pick might be a bit much.

Colts trade 2-14 and 3-16 (630 points) to SEA for 2-2 and 4-4 (632). We would probably have to thrown in a future 6th round pick in order to exceed the point value in 2017 but whatever. Slide back 31 spots from 3rd to 4th round in order to move up 12 spots in the 2nd round.

I think either of these scenarios are very doable if Ballard has 1st round grades on any of those CBs.

If we miss out on those CBs, I expect a veteran CB to be signed by the end of the weekend.

Cheers,

Pass. I think they'll get one of those corners without having to move down from 3.16.

FatDT 04-28-2017 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 11508)
I think Wilson is the only player you can make a strong argument for trading up. Some analysts have him as a top 15 player and his size/ability to press would be good fits for this defense.

It is crazy he is still available. Ballard has some very good options tonight.

Chromeburn 04-28-2017 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sherck (Post 11494)
You really were on a roll last night!

I was at a Michael W. Smith concert with my wife celebrating our 16th anniversary.

Good time had at the concert and I got home just in time for my son to start ranting about taking a safety over a DT!

His signature phrase? "Ballard said that he was going to build the trenches! Safety is NOT a trench position!"

Good times had by all! :)

Cheers,

Hahaha well draft isn't over yet.

I want Willis, after that I'm worried the pass rush might get a little murky. But there are lots of solid options. Should get a solid pick in the third too.

sherck 04-28-2017 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 11541)
Hahaha well draft isn't over yet.

I want Willis, after that I'm worried the pass rush might get a little murky. But there are lots of solid options. Should get a solid pick in the third too.

My hope is that either Ryan Anderson or Trey Henderson are still there in the 3rd round for OLB. Either would be a good choice.

CB in the 2nd round, I hope. If not, we should be signing a vet to start for 1 year before the end of the 2nd round.

Cheers,

GoBigBlue88 04-28-2017 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sherck (Post 11514)
Playing around with this a bit more:

CB Quincy Wilson, Florida
CB Kevin King, Washington
CB Chidobe Awuzie, Colorado

Three kids whom I think could all come in and immediately start for us at CB2 as a pretty quality press CB.

I appreciate your work on here -- you do an excellent job!!! -- so not trying to crap on it, but ... Kevin King is the definition of a project CB. Not an immediate starter at all.

njcoltfan 04-28-2017 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88 (Post 11555)
I appreciate your work on here -- you do an excellent job!!! -- so not trying to crap on it, but ... Kevin King is the definition of a project CB. Not an immediate starter at all.

so was Green last year, your point being ??

GoBigBlue88 04-28-2017 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 11556)
so was Green last year, your point being ??

My point being sherck was saying King should be a target for an immediate starter at CB. He is not an immediate starter at CB. Colts could do much better than King in Round 2.

Someone like King, IMO, is Round 3 material.

njcoltfan 04-28-2017 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88 (Post 11563)
My point being sherck was saying King should be a target for an immediate starter at CB. He is not an immediate starter at CB. Colts could do much better than King in Round 2.

Someone like King, IMO, is Round 3 material.

Ok

FatDT 04-28-2017 02:00 PM

I actually really strongly agree about King. He is measurables, that's it. Don't want him.

Puck 04-28-2017 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sherck (Post 11545)
My hope is that either Ryan Anderson or Trey Henderson are still there in the 3rd round for OLB. Either would be a good choice.

CB in the 2nd round, I hope. If not, we should be signing a vet to start for 1 year before the end of the 2nd round.

Cheers,


You are gonna fight this BPA thought all the way to the end aren't you?

VeveJones007 04-28-2017 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puck (Post 11581)
You are gonna fight this BPA thought all the way to the end aren't you?

If Lamp is still there at 2.14, he'll likely be BPA. I imagine you'd be alright with that.

Puck 04-28-2017 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 11583)
If Lamp is still there at 2.14, he'll likely be BPA. I imagine you'd be alright with that.

I'm always good with BPA. after watching the 1st unwind I didn't want the to take Lamp. I was leaning toward Allen. I'm thrilled with Hooker It helps out 2 positions But he was only a 2 yr player with one great yr. hopefully he hasn't shot his load already. Adding Allen would have made this a very hard to run on team.

Read an article that Hooker was the top player on Ballards board. He almost didn't even put him on. But liked him so much he brought him in for a visit just in case he fell. It was never a decision once he was available. He was the pick

VeveJones007 04-28-2017 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puck (Post 11601)
I'm always good with BPA. after watching the 1st unwind I didn't want the to take Lamp. I was leaning toward Allen. I'm thrilled with Hooker It helps out 2 positions But he was only a 2 yr player with one great yr. hopefully he hasn't shot his load already. Adding Allen would have made this a very hard to run on team.

Read an article that Hooker was the top player on Ballards board. He almost didn't even put him on. But liked him so much he brought him in for a visit just in case he fell. It was never a decision once he was available. He was the pick

I'm interested to know how much weight Ballard is giving to Pagano's scheme in evaluating players. Having that ball hawk in the back is vitally important, and that importance could very well move Hooker to the top 2-3 players on Ballard's board coming in.

Puck 04-06-2018 05:37 PM

Always fun to look back

VeveJones007 04-06-2018 06:19 PM

Sometimes I look back at my comments and shake my head, but not in this case.

Puck 04-06-2018 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 62336)
Sometimes I look back at my comments and shake my head, but not in this case.

My comments last yr are pretty much what I am still saying. BPA is who Ballard will take and I wanted Lamp and now want Nelson.... I didn't get Lamp and I am not getting Nelson this yr either.

Funny how many were wanting Cook and Dixon... assuming the same ones wanting Barkley this yr. Other things that haven't changed... Dam wasn't happy they selected anyone other than who he wanted.... even though it was a higher rated player.... Sherck was/is still picking positions and not players for each selection and of course Omaha is still a dick.

I do think that Ballard might have been drafing knowing Pagfuck would not be here now. Basham might work out pretty good as a 4-3 backup DE

I'll give it to Smitty he had Hooker in his picks.... I still can't figure out how he correctly picked every player to be drafted ahead of time ;)

Dam8610 04-06-2018 08:35 PM

I was surprised by Hooker because of the injury risk. He spent most of his first year on IR.

nate505 04-07-2018 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 62349)
I was surprised by Hooker because of the injury risk. He spent most of his first year on IR.

He was more prone to getting an ACL injury than everyone else that it has happened to?

VeveJones007 04-07-2018 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puck (Post 62341)
My comments last yr are pretty much what I am still saying. BPA is who Ballard will take and I wanted Lamp and now want Nelson.... I didn't get Lamp and I am not getting Nelson this yr either.

Funny how many were wanting Cook and Dixon... assuming the same ones wanting Barkley this yr. Other things that haven't changed... Dam wasn't happy they selected anyone other than who he wanted.... even though it was a higher rated player.... Sherck was/is still picking positions and not players for each selection and of course Omaha is still a dick.

I do think that Ballard might have been drafing knowing Pagfuck would not be here now. Basham might work out pretty good as a 4-3 backup DE

I'll give it to Smitty he had Hooker in his picks.... I still can't figure out how he correctly picked every player to be drafted ahead of time ;)

Regarding Cook/Dixon, I am absolutely on board with drafting a RB with one of the 2nds or the 3rd this year. Really good value there in mocks.

Puck 04-07-2018 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 62357)
Regarding Cook/Dixon, I am absolutely on board with drafting a RB with one of the 2nds or the 3rd this year. Really good value there in mocks.


Agree Guise Michele or Chubb should be there.

YDFL Commish 04-07-2018 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 62357)
Regarding Cook/Dixon, I am absolutely on board with drafting a RB with one of the 2nds or the 3rd this year. Really good value there in mocks.

Kerryon Johnson as well.

Dam8610 04-07-2018 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nate505 (Post 62355)
He was more prone to getting an ACL injury than everyone else that it has happened to?

He played the prior year with a labrum tear and a sports hernia.

VeveJones007 04-07-2018 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 62370)
Kerryon Johnson as well.

Or Ronald Jones. Or Rashaad Penny.

Just so many good options.

VeveJones007 04-07-2018 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 62349)
I was surprised by Hooker because of the injury risk. He spent most of his first year on IR.

Hooker had a better rookie year than Allen and Harris. Allen also hit IR and Harris was a non factor.


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