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njcoltfan 03-10-2017 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 5575)
He stated he wanted to build through the draft which will take time. However I was expecting one big signing and some filler.

I wonder, just how much time does Irsay, Pagano and Ballard think the Colt's have ??? Year 6 of the franchise QB, with how may more before the Colt's are contenders again ??

Puck 03-10-2017 09:01 AM

I expect some signings today and in the next few days. Too many holes at LB NT CB S and RG, RB to try to fix in the draft.

No way we get 6 starters in the draft. Let me re phrase that. No way we get 6 starter quality players in the draft. They may start, but they shouldn't be.


Heard a stat that only 30% of draft picks actually become starters in the NFL

SO we should get one maybe two this draft and I am sure we will have to force at least 2 more to be starters.


Maybe Ballard will makes some trades... All I know is this team is depleted and depleted even more after DQ, Mathis, and Adams are gone, Butler not resigned.

Wow it really looks worse the more you think about just the average players we lost and were counting on

Puck 03-10-2017 09:10 AM

Budget???? What the hell is this suppose to mean???


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ing-the-colts/

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The Colts are looking for defensive help on a bit of a budget, after signing fellow Patriots project Barkevious Mingo yesterday. Sheard’s actually done something in the league, with 13.0 sacks the last two seasons, despite being benched last year.

Puck 03-10-2017 09:16 AM

Need to start making trades with Cleveland. These are just the top 65 picks.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...xt-two-drafts/


The number of draft picks they have in the next two years is crazy!!!

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After yesterday’s Brock Osweiler trade, the Browns now have a whopping eight picks in the first two rounds of the next two drafts, as well as the first pick in the third round this year, for a whopping nine Top 65 picks in 2017 and 2018. Here’s the full haul:

The No. 1 overall pick in 2017.

The No. 12 overall pick in 2017 (from Philadelphia).

The No. 33 overall pick in 2017.

The No. 52 overall pick in 2017 (from Tennessee).

The No. 65 overall pick in 2017.

Their own first-round pick in 2018.

Their own second-round pick in 2018.

Philadelphia’s second-round pick in 2018.

Houston’s second-round pick in 2018.


FatDT 03-10-2017 09:25 AM

We haven't lost Butler yet. And if we do, this is a great DB class. I expect we'll use one of our earlier picks on CB or S.

There are plenty of needs obviously. But there are still some options out there. I think the only area that Ballard has potentially misstepped so far is guard. I think he should've paid Zeitler or Warford whatever it took to get them here. Our options now are TJ Lang and in-house competition.

At NT there is still Poe and Hankins. At ILB Hightower and Brown are there. There never were any premier OLB options, the best we're going to get is an Erik Walden replacement. Jabaal Sheard, John Simon, Connor Barwin (doubt it), Datone Jones. I could also see them go after a corner like Prince Amukamara or Morris Claiborne.

Overall I don't mind not overpaying some of the guys signed yesterday, minus Zeitler or Warford.

Coltsalr 03-10-2017 09:30 AM

@MikeReiss
I'm told that free-agent DE Jabaal Sheard is scheduled to visit the Colts. Had visited Miami on Thursday.

Yay, two Patriots linebackers!

This one has actually produced in the past and has a track record (albeit one in which he saw his playing time scaled back some last year), but he'd assuredly instantly become our best pass rusher.

Wyatt 03-10-2017 09:32 AM

@pfrumors 19s20 seconds ago
While you were (probably) sleeping, the #Dolphins acquire DE William Hayes in trade with #Rams:

Does this give the Colts the upper hand at signing Jabaal Sheard now? He's from S. Florida, but doubt he'd like splitting time with Hayes....

Indiana V2 03-10-2017 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ukcolt (Post 5592)
Most of you guys are seriously overreacting about the lack of Colts action on day ONE of free agency. This is the day where silly money is thrown at players.....the best deals long term usually happen over the next few days. Ballard is doing what he said...he is not going to be frittering money away and making poor choices. I like how he is showing restraint, of course at some point he will make some additions, but i like the fact that he appears to be committed to building through the draft.

A rebuild does not have to take many years, acquiring a few solid free agents can speed up the process. We have money to spend, I'd rather overpay for guys that will definitely be key contributors, than sit on our hands, and overpay for the scraps that are left, or pay for the "bargains" that don't normally work out, all the while leaving quite lot of money on the table.

omahacolt 03-10-2017 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 5618)
@MikeReiss
I'm told that free-agent DE Jabaal Sheard is scheduled to visit the Colts. Had visited Miami on Thursday.

Yay, two Patriots linebackers!

This one has actually produced in the past and has a track record (albeit one in which he saw his playing time scaled back some last year), but he'd assuredly instantly become our best pass rusher.

You must have a huge boner of this

Or huge for you anyway

Puck 03-10-2017 09:40 AM

Sam Sheilds, Prince and Claiborne all available but after what AJ got these guys are going to get paid, even if they aren't as good.

Gonna have to address a couple of these positions in FA because there isn't enough picks to get all new starters in the draft. Unless your Cleveland.


I am settling in to this being a 2-3 yr rebuild and not a we can win it this yr year

Coltsalr 03-10-2017 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 5621)
You must have a huge boner of this

Or huge for you anyway

He'd arguably be a better pass rusher than your boy Grigson ever acquired ever. I'm sure that makes you flaccid, but the rest of us I'm sure would be fairly happy over that improvement.

Puck 03-10-2017 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 5627)
He'd arguably be a better pass rusher than your boy Grigson ever acquired ever. I'm sure that makes you flaccid, but the rest of us I'm sure would be fairly happy over that improvement.


Mathis.

Puck 03-10-2017 09:59 AM

Hankins... or ....Poe?

Who do you want?

Wyatt 03-10-2017 10:03 AM

@HolderStephen 51s51 seconds ago
Former Texans LB John Simon signs a three-year deal with the Colts. Three years, $13.5 million, $5.5 guaranteed.

Wyatt 03-10-2017 10:06 AM

@HolderStephen 1m1 minute ago
Colts are putting some weight behind this. Simon will make about $6 million this year. This is not an afterthought signing

Puck 03-10-2017 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyatt (Post 5630)
@HolderStephen 51s51 seconds ago
Former Texans LB John Simon signs a three-year deal with the Colts. Three years, $13.5 million, $5.5 guaranteed.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-t...ats-valuation/


Thoughts?

Wyatt 03-10-2017 10:07 AM

I admittedly don't know much about him, OSU Alum, 4 years in the NFL, NFL.com lists him as a DE, but everyone else says OLB.

Anyone have an opinion on him?

Wyatt 03-10-2017 10:10 AM

http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/53/55/10.../3/920x920.jpg

It looks like he and Luck have some familiarity atleast

Puck 03-10-2017 10:12 AM

These are the kind of signings I expected He has played pretty well the last couple of years, but hopefully our LB coach ... who is suppose to be outstanding... can improve him

Coltsalr 03-10-2017 10:13 AM

Here's the PFF blurb (if you hate PFF, by all means drive thru, no need to stay and bitch):

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5. John Simon, Edge
Another player that has earned himself a starting role in limited play, Simon could be a more attractive option to teams given the relative dearth of proven pass-rushing talent that is scheduled to hit the open market. Simon was a significant part of Houston’s formidable defensive front last season but injury cost him the majority of the second half of his season. Over the first half of the year only the New England Patriots were able to blank him from a pass-rushing standpoint, and he had three games in which he recorded at least one sack, hit and hurry. Simon has been an impressive situational rusher for the past few seasons, but may have earned himself a shot to start for somebody in 2017.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro...rprise-upside/

Also, arguably, possibly the best pass rusher we've acquired in 5 years.

Puck 03-10-2017 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 5616)
We haven't lost Butler yet. And if we do, this is a great DB class. I expect we'll use one of our earlier picks on CB or S.

There are plenty of needs obviously. But there are still some options out there. I think the only area that Ballard has potentially misstepped so far is guard. I think he should've paid Zeitler or Warford whatever it took to get them here. Our options now are TJ Lang and in-house competition.

At NT there is still Poe and Hankins. At ILB Hightower and Brown are there. There never were any premier OLB options, the best we're going to get is an Erik Walden replacement. Jabaal Sheard, John Simon, Connor Barwin (doubt it), Datone Jones. I could also see them go after a corner like Prince Amukamara or Morris Claiborne.

Overall I don't mind not overpaying some of the guys signed yesterday, minus Zeitler or Warford.


As far as Oline.... if there is any coach on this team that I trust its Philbin... maybe he sees what he needs with Clarke Haag.

cq.noble 03-10-2017 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyatt (Post 5633)
I admittedly don't know much about him, OSU Alum, 4 years in the NFL, NFL.com lists him as a DE, but everyone else says OLB.

Anyone have an opinion on him?

I don't have any knowledge of the guy from tape but it stands to reason he was a solid rotational guy in Houston and the fact that he had 5 sacks at 60% snaps played. It also looks like he was on the upswing as he missed five games in 2016 and played only 120 fewer snaps than the year before.

He probably wont be great but I foresee a Walden level impact, which is nice because we don't have to pay Walden for those 11 sacks.

njcoltfan 03-10-2017 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyatt (Post 5630)
@HolderStephen 51s51 seconds ago
Former Texans LB John Simon signs a three-year deal with the Colts. Three years, $13.5 million, $5.5 guaranteed.

Good, now go get Brown and don't let Sheard get out of the building without a contract in hand.

cq.noble 03-10-2017 10:26 AM

https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/st...06366132310016

Matt Miller: "This is a low key very good signing."

Wyatt 03-10-2017 10:40 AM

@MikeWellsNFL
Colts new linebacker John Simon is more of a run-stopping LB, which likely means the odds of Erik Walden being re-signed are slim

sherck 03-10-2017 10:41 AM

Our next OLB [EDGE] guy. Simon is one of the guys I wanted us to sign from day one so I like this. The price is excellent.

Simon as the EDGE guy with Sheard as the RUSH guy backed up by rookies and whichever of our guys make depth is solid.

Cheers,

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Wyatt 03-10-2017 10:42 AM

John Simon Video
 
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/wa...ix-for-texans/

And here is a video of our new guy picking off AZ and outrunning the TE for a pick 6.

Wyatt 03-10-2017 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 5648)
Our next OLB [EDGE] guy. Simon is one of the guys I wanted us to sign from day one so I like this. The price is excellent.

Simon as the EDGE guy with Sheard as the RUSH guy backed up by rookies and whichever of our guys make depth is solid.

Cheers,

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@HolderStephen 2m2 minutes ago
So, to clarify, John Simon hasn't signed his deal yet. He's en route to Indianapolis now. Source also adds that final deal is $14M, $17M max......

Does this change your opinion at all on how good of a signing it is for us?

rcubed 03-10-2017 11:00 AM

I like the simon deal. If we can land sheard and get a nice LB in the draft that will go a long way toward fixing a major problem on D

Puck 03-10-2017 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 5656)
I like the simon deal. If we can land sheard and get a nice LB in the draft that will go a long way toward fixing a major problem on D


Brown is still out there too Still hoping for Poe or Hankins to shore up the middle then can get the best CB available with pick one

GoBigBlue88 03-10-2017 11:34 AM

The people I listen to/read really liked Simon last year, FWIW. Thought he and DJ Reader were the guys more people should have been talking about on that Houston defense.

They improved the Walden spot. They still need rushers & ILBs.

Kray007 03-10-2017 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 5567)
Have we gotten to the point where puffing out our chest and saying, "We have Andrew Luck! " isn't good enough anymore? It's looking that way to me. I'm not upset, but I expect mediocrity until the defense is fixed.

The very first step I'd take towards fixing the D would be to find a real, live NFL quality Nose Tackle, someone like Vince Wilfork, who shuts down the run up the middle, and keeps OL'men away from our Linebackers.

Grigson's failaure to address the position is a complete and utter mystery. You can't run a 34 Defense without a rock at NT, and David Parry is barely a speed bump.

Until we fix the NT position, we'll never get good play at ILB. Ballard's gotta know this, and the only possible reason I can see that he hasn't jumped on Dontari Poe is that, either he figures that Poe is on the downside of his career or he's waiting for the initial free agent frenzy to settle in order to sign him to a more reasonable 2nd or 3rd day contract.

Puck 03-10-2017 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Kray007 (Post 5662)
The very first step I'd take towards fixing the D would be to find a real, live NFL quality Nose Tackle, someone like Vince Wilfork, who shuts down the run up the middle, and keeps OL'men away from our Linebackers.

Grigson's failaure to address the position is a complete and utter mystery. You can't run a 34 Defense without a rock at NT, and David Parry is barely a speed bump.

Until we fix the NT position, we'll never get good play at ILB. Ballard's gotta know this, and the only possible reason I can see that he hasn't jumped on Dontari Poe is that, either he figures that Poe is on the downside of his career or he's waiting for the initial free agent frenzy to settle in order to sign him to a more reasonable 2nd or 3rd day contract.


Good post

rcubed 03-10-2017 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 5660)
Brown is still out there too Still hoping for Poe or Hankins to shore up the middle then can get the best CB available with pick one

I was hoping to land bouye and get pass-rusher with #1

yes, a fatty in the middle would be nice. I assume ballard is waiting to see what the market does with those guys. hopefully we can get one on the cheap.

Puck 03-10-2017 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 5664)
I was hoping to land bouye and get pass-rusher with #1

yes, a fatty in the middle would be nice. I assume ballard is waiting to see what the market does with those guys. hopefully we can get one on the cheap.


FA CB's are getting ridiculous money I'd roll with a draft pick here

FatDT 03-10-2017 12:02 PM

If we do get a FA NT I think it'll be a short prove it contact, market seems pretty soft for interior DL.

sherck 03-10-2017 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyatt (Post 5650)
@HolderStephen 2m2 minutes ago
So, to clarify, John Simon hasn't signed his deal yet. He's en route to Indianapolis now. Source also adds that final deal is $14M, $17M max......

Does this change your opinion at all on how good of a signing it is for us?

2017 = $4m roster bonus (no pro-rate unlike signing bonus). $1.5m salary (guaranteed) and up too $500k in "likely to be earned" incentives per season play bonus if he plays in all 16 games (Doyle had the same clause...must be a Ballard thing ) for a "likely to be earned" cap hit of $6m.

In years 2 and 3, he has an "unlikely to be earned" bonus of up to $1.5m each year for Pro Bowl appearances and # if sacks.

Year 2 cap hit = $3.5m + possible $1.5m in ULTBE incentives.

Year 3 cap hit = $4m + possible $1.5m in ULTBE incentives.

Love this contract.

Cheers,



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Puck 03-10-2017 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 5672)
2017 = $4m roster bonus (no pro-rate unlike signing bonus). $1.5m salary (guaranteed) and up too $500k in "likely to be earned" incentives per season play bonus if he plays in all 16 games (Doyle had the same clause...must be a Ballard thing ) for a "likely to be earned" cap hit of $6m.

In years 2 and 3, he has an "unlikely to be earned" bonus of up to $1.5m each year for Pro Bowl appearances and # if sacks.

Year 2 cap hit = $3.5m + possible $1.5m in ULTBE incentives.

Year 3 cap hit = $4m + possible $1.5m in ULTBE incentives.

Love this contract.

Cheers,



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Is this Ballard or is someone else the contract guy from the Grigson era?

sherck 03-10-2017 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 5673)
Is this Ballard or is someone else the contract guy from the Grigson era?

The $31,250 per game played bonus adding up to $500k for the season is new.

The front loading the contract in the first year with roster bonus (not pro-rared) instead of signing bonus which is then pro-rated as cap hit in future years is new.

The "unlikely to be earned" bonus is something Grigson only did once I believe on Cherlius' contract I believe.

The first year guaranteed salary is not new nor is the level or decreasing cap hit over the years. Those both look like they did under Grigson.

Cheers,

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Puck 03-10-2017 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 5674)
The $31,250 per game played bonus adding up to $500k for the season is new.

The front loading the contract in the first year with roster bonus (not pro-rared) instead of signing bonus which is then pro-rated as cap hit in future years is new.

The "unlikely to be earned" bonus is something Grigson only sid once I believe on Cherlius' contract I believe.

The first year guaranteed salary is not new nor is the level or decreasing cap hit over the years. Those both look like they did under Grigson.

Cheers,

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In your opinion is this better? Or could it be why guys are chossing other teams if they were in negotiations with the Colts?


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