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nate505 04-30-2021 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 192399)
you missed the key point where dam is consistently reminding us of how he predicted it.
He predicted a rookie running back might have a fumble in his rookie season. Super impressive shit there.

Good thing he didn't predict two fumbles, because then he would have been wrong. But he supposedly had this massive fumbling problem.

Dam8610 04-30-2021 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 192396)
Obviously you didn't listen to Ballards news conference. I counted three time him saying he loves his tape. Maybe he looks for different stuff than you do. I just want to say how happy I am you are not running this team. I do love your passion and how pissed you seem to get. You obviously care a lot. Enjoy the back and forth. Hope you are wrong, big time (I assume you hope the same thing). One thing you are not as concerned with as Ballard is is the dudes character, Ballard is sky high on his motor and character-two things that are integral to his way of thinking. Makes for a better team and experience rooting for them-no obvious douche bags.
Character is the first thing Ballard mentioned. I get the importance of it, but it's not so important as to completely override football ability. To draft Paye, Ballard must have tremendous confidence in his DL coaching group, because they have their work cut out for them. This guy has no understanding of how to attack a OT to generate pressure. They're going to have to put that knowledge in him in 5 months with restricted training camps.

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 192398)
Here ya go

https://twitter.com/Colts/status/138...380122130?s=20

Oweh didn't record any sacks last yr. But you say he's better




Paye.
Ballard said nothing in that clip about loving his tape. He may have said it elsewhere, but not there.

Also, you misunderstood me. I never said anything about who was better between Oweh and Paye. What I said was Oweh has better traits if they were going to draft a guy just for his traits.

rcubed 04-30-2021 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by nate505 (Post 192403)
He predicted a rookie running back might have a fumble in his rookie season. Super impressive shit there.

Good thing he didn't predict two fumbles, because then he would have been wrong. But he supposedly had this massive fumbling problem.
JTs total fumbles last season: 1

Dam8610 04-30-2021 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by nate505 (Post 192403)
He predicted a rookie running back might have a fumble in his rookie season. Super impressive shit there.

Good thing he didn't predict two fumbles, because then he would have been wrong. But he supposedly had this massive fumbling problem.
I said specifically that he'd fumble away a key game in his rookie season. Chuck Clark 65 yard fumble return TD. It doesn't get more on the nose than that, but you can be reductionist about it if you'd like.

Dam8610 04-30-2021 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 192405)
JTs total fumbles last season: 1
Rathman did a great job. I also wrote a scouting report on Taylor after the Colts drafted him, my comp was Arian Foster with speed. That seems to be working out pretty well. And I'm glad it is.

rcubed 04-30-2021 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 192404)
Character is the first thing Ballard mentioned. I get the importance of it, but it's not so important as to completely override football ability. To draft Paye, Ballard must have tremendous confidence in his DL coaching group, because they have their work cut out for them. This guy has no understanding of how to attack a OT to generate pressure. They're going to have to put that knowledge in him in 5 months with restricted training camps.



Ballard said nothing in that clip about loving his tape. He may have said it elsewhere, but not there.

Also, you misunderstood me. I never said anything about who was better between Oweh and Paye. What I said was Oweh has better traits if they were going to draft a guy just for his traits.
Ballard says he has really good tape in answer to first question (see whole interview on colts.com). Later says tape is super important to him and is a requirement to be considered in first round.

Puck 04-30-2021 02:40 PM
https://twitter.com/jimayello/status...335942147?s=20

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Jim Ayello
@jimayello
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14h
Chris Ballard: "When you force something, you usually create two holes. You can't do that in the draft. You have to take the best player in the draft."

Ballard said vs. the LTs still on the board, Paye was just better. Plain and simple. Wasn't going to force a LT pick.

Dam8610 04-30-2021 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 192399)
you missed the key point where dam is consistently reminding us of how he predicted it.
Oh I'm sure if I'd been wrong it would've gone the other way.

apballin 04-30-2021 02:41 PM
I’m no expert and I don’t watch college football but His highlights didn’t excite me seems like a Justin houston replacement that might not even get on the field if Turay, Mohammed, Banagu, and Lewis step up

Dam8610 04-30-2021 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 192409)
Ballard says he has really good tape in answer to first question (see whole interview on colts.com). Later says tape is super important to him and is a requirement to be considered in first round.
I'd really like to see that "really good tape", because I've yet to find it.

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 192410)
This is why I was hoping Gettleman would take Paye at 20. He loves taking overrated traited up DL.

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 192412)
I’m no expert and I don’t watch college football but His highlights didn’t excite me seems like a Justin houston replacement that might not even get on the field if Turay, Mohammed, Banagu, and Lewis step up
Maybe if he had a rush plan or even a singular pass rush move, I could see that. He doesn't, but if he did. Hopefully the DL coaching staff is up to the task of teaching him how to pass rush from scratch.

Oldcolt 04-30-2021 02:52 PM
Dam you keep stating he had only two sacks last year. While true he only played in 4 games.

Puck 04-30-2021 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 192409)
Ballard says he has really good tape in answer to first question (see whole interview on colts.com). Later says tape is super important to him and is a requirement to be considered in first round.
Yep

Here is a different video I picked the wrong one the 1st time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YVAy9VWXC8

Also talks about how the OT's were not prototypical OT's and not near as good as Paye.

I won't be surprised if passes on OT again tonight.

Dam8610 04-30-2021 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 192414)
Dam you keep stating he had only two sacks last year. While true he only played in 4 games.
So should I have an injury concern or a production concern? Or both, considering he didn't produce much more in his full seasons?

TheMugwump 04-30-2021 03:12 PM
Not trying to pile on Dam, but every time he mentions that Paye has no pass rush moves, that he, "Never shows a push-pull, a cross chop, a dip and rip, a swim, a spin, nothing, he just runs into the OT and tries to push him back into the QB like Zach Allen did", I get more convinced that he will be a great pick.

All of those moves are coached, He's been at Michigan. Loved Harbs here as a QB, but he hasn't been known to get the most out of his talent. Especially recently. Especially on the defensive side of the ball.

So yeah, put him in a room with Mathis and Houston. Teach him some moves. He'll be alright.

rcubed 04-30-2021 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 192417)
Yep

Here is a different video I picked the wrong one the 1st time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YVAy9VWXC8

Also talks about how the OT's were not prototypical OT's and not near as good as Paye.

I won't be surprised if passes on OT again tonight.
yep, and that explains why he didnt take an OT at 21, But it would surprise me if he didnt take one today, too big of a need and will be value in second round even if not prototypical.

note: surprised, but not shocked.

ah hell, he will probably take a WR and sign OT from whats left in FA

Thorgrim 04-30-2021 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 192423)
yep, and that explains why he didnt take an OT at 21, But it would surprise me if he didnt take one today, too big of a need and will be value in second round even if not prototypical.

note: surprised, but not shocked.

ah hell, he will probably take a WR and sign OT from whats left in FA
I gotta believe that Villanueva is in their sights as plan B.

Chromeburn 04-30-2021 03:42 PM
Voch Lombadi does a breakdown of Paye

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeKbBu9u9m8

Oldcolt 04-30-2021 04:52 PM
He seems to be a monster in the run. That is nice to hear. He has, apparently, excellent technique in the run, technique he was taught so he is teachable. I do like how disciplined he appear to be. He may not solve our pass rush problems all by himself but I doubt anybody will see him as any sort of weak link. He will improve since it seems he can be coached.

Dam8610 04-30-2021 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMugwump (Post 192422)
Not trying to pile on Dam, but every time he mentions that Paye has no pass rush moves, that he, "Never shows a push-pull, a cross chop, a dip and rip, a swim, a spin, nothing, he just runs into the OT and tries to push him back into the QB like Zach Allen did", I get more convinced that he will be a great pick.

All of those moves are coached, He's been at Michigan. Loved Harbs here as a QB, but he hasn't been known to get the most out of his talent. Especially recently. Especially on the defensive side of the ball.

So yeah, put him in a room with Mathis and Houston. Teach him some moves. He'll be alright.
That's the risk. Can he learn it? Because if he can't, he's Zach Allen who can move a little better. Ballard is making a big bet on his coaching staff. I hope it pays off.

Chromeburn 04-30-2021 06:46 PM
He seems a direct replacement for Autry really. Can play the run now, has some pass rush potential. Can move inside and play multiple positions. He’s gonna need some work. Seems like a smart player though, his responsibilities seemed to be set the edge then go depending on the play. Will have QB responsibilities on RPO’s. He reminds me a little of Solomon Thomas.

Thorgrim 04-30-2021 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 192450)
Damn Jags, again wasting fucking time. You had all damn night to figure out who your choice was going to be. Quit fucking around and make the pick assholes.
Seems that is the m.o. for most teams. Unless there is a great deal of trade talk for every single pick I think they should reduce the allotted time.

JAFF 04-30-2021 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMugwump (Post 192422)
Not trying to pile on Dam, but every time he mentions that Paye has no pass rush moves, that he, "Never shows a push-pull, a cross chop, a dip and rip, a swim, a spin, nothing, he just runs into the OT and tries to push him back into the QB like Zach Allen did", I get more convinced that he will be a great pick.

All of those moves are coached, He's been at Michigan. Loved Harbs here as a QB, but he hasn't been known to get the most out of his talent. Especially recently. Especially on the defensive side of the ball.

So yeah, put him in a room with Mathis and Houston. Teach him some moves. He'll be alright.
He has character and is very intelligent. He is driven, and has a goal to be better. Put him in a room with smart players and coaches he will grow. He has survived the worst of humanity, and now he just needs to PLAY. Men like him tend to RISE to the occasion. Playing in the NFL is nothing compared to what his family escaped from their homeland.

He has survived the worst violence imagined and people want to measure him with a three cone drill.

Chromeburn 05-01-2021 02:05 PM
Freeney reaching out to Paye

https://twitter.com/jimirsay/status/...395197958?s=21


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