Ballard vs Grigson - Change of Culture

[albany ed]

I've been a critic of Pagano for a long time. He's just not HC material. However, no matter who coaches the team this year, they're not ready for the SB. Pagano will once again fail, the Colts will get another top 15 draft position and by 2018, will be solid enough to possibly go all the way. Provided Ballard's selections perform as well as expected and he has another solid draft and signs a few free agents. Also, he gets a good HC.

[rcubed]

I try not to look backwards in life too much, but could you imagine where we would be if someone like ballard had been hired when we first drafted luck? Most likely better drafting and FAs, probably no pagano, a better plan for how to construct the team around a very good, cost controlled QB. Man, where we could be right now....

[Butter]

Originally Posted by albany ed

I've been a critic of Pagano for a long time. He's just not HC material. However, no matter who coaches the team this year, they're not ready for the SB. Pagano will once again fail, the Colts will get another top 15 draft position and by 2018, will be solid enough to possibly go all the way. Provided Ballard's selections perform as well as expected and he has another solid draft and signs a few free agents. Also, he gets a good HC.

I agree on the SB part, but this team was a game away from the playoffs last season, so a top 15 pick is not such a sure thing. I would not be surprised if we one the south buying Pags another shitty year to coach.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Butter

I agree on the SB part, but this team was a game away from the playoffs last season, so a top 15 pick is not such a sure thing. I would not be surprised if we one the south buying Pags another shitty year to coach.

Yeah, hopefully Pagano's shitty coaching can lead to a lot more shitty division titles and shitty playoff appearances, a few shitty deep playoff runs, and maybe even some shitty Super Bowl wins. And everyone here can bitch about it the entire time. It'll be great.

[Coltsalr]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

Yeah, hopefully Pagano's shitty coaching can lead to a lot more shitty division titles and shitty playoff appearances, a few shitty deep playoff runs, and maybe even some shitty Super Bowl wins. And everyone here can bitch about it the entire time. It'll be great.

You're sexually attracted to Pagano, aren't you?

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Coltsalr

You're sexually attracted to Pagano, aren't you?

No, but I am sick of the prevailing attitude around here that would prefer to see Pagano fail instead of the Colts succeed.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

No, but I am sick of the prevailing attitude around here that would prefer to see Pagano fail instead of the Colts succeed.

I don't want to see him fail, but his past record indicates he will fail. I want him gone.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Butter

I don't want to see him fail, but his past record indicates he will fail. I want him gone.

His literal past record indicates the opposite, as he has an over .600 career winning percentage and is currently the 30th best coach all time in winning percentage. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your argument.

[Puck]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

His literal past record indicates the opposite, as he has an over .600 career winning percentage and is currently the 30th best coach all time in winning percentage. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your argument.

He also gets credit for one of the... nope. THE STUPIDEST PLAY INT HE HISTORY OF THE NFL!

Also the epic blow outs by the Pats and Steelers And he also gets credit for not getting above a 8-8 record last yr

But don't let those facts get in the way of YOUR argument

[FatDT]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

His literal past record indicates the opposite, as he has an over .600 career winning percentage and is currently the 30th best coach all time in winning percentage. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your argument.

You have objectively demonstrated a measure of intelligence by your interest in stats, your ability to write clearly, some of your analysis. I don't believe you are actually a stupid person. But I do not understand why you choose to narrow the set of facts to only fit your chosen narrative and then pretend like you aren't doing it. Why be intentionally dense? You know just as well as everyone else that your winning percentage argument, and the implied conclusion that it justifies his coaching, is nonsense. Just stop it with this superior "I know better" shtick. The case against Pagano is well-established. Demanding that it be reproven to you is just a tactic meant to wear others down so you can appear right.

No one here hates Pagano. No one wants him to fail, that means the Colts fail and it's not logical to be a fan but want your team to fail. The fear you are mischaracterizing is that the increase in talent and competence in the front office will mask Pagano's incompetence and keep him in charge of the team despite his demonstrated lack of ability to handle it. You know this but you still set up straw men and then pretend you've won something by defeating them.

Sorry to write so much but I've had a few beers and am feeling verbose.