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Old 11-21-2018, 08:36 PM
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No, he is referring to the time that BB thought it would be a good idea to slow down our speed by making the field soggy. It was not due to forgetting any tarp, but watered intentionally so as to make the ground soft and slow.





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I remember that it was snowing during the game.

I don't recall Belichick having the field watered down prior to the game.

Thanks in advance if you have any info/citations about that aspect/occurrence.



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I think this is what he meant:


It rained heavily Wednesday, but the Gillette Stadium field was not covered. It was not covered Tuesday. It was not covered Monday.

Yes, the Patriots do own a tarp, and they have not reported it stolen. Perhaps Patriots coach Bill Belichick chose not to have the grounds crew put the tarp down. Perhaps he forgot.



https://www.courant.com/news/connect...019-story.html



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That was the same tactic used as the one that I alluded to in the 1982 AFC Championship game between the Dolphins and the Jets ........ the non-use of a tarpaulin by the home team to intentionally deter the players' footing on the playing field.



However, that is a different game than the one that we were discussing ........ that article is in regard to the following season's game (2004), which was a divisional playoff.



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I am not arguing that the guys now have an easier time than Manning did.

I am arguing that Manning was the innovator that made the hurry up offense, with QBs calling the plays at the line of scrimmage and managing the game from the field, the standard that the high powered offenses use today. If Manning did not start doing it in 2001 or so, then Rodgers, Brees and even Brady and all the others would not be doing it today.

You seem to think it was the rule changes/emphasis on the rules, but that was in 2004 when those came along at the urging of Polian. And the rules on roughing the passer were emphasized after 2008.

Manning was creating and running the hurry up offense as we see in the league today before both those changes.

Again Jim Kelly and the Bills did it too some in the early 90s, but no one followed their lead and made it a trend.
Because most teams couldn’t do it effectively. Game was slower then and you needed a smart QB to run it.
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Thanks !!!

That was the same tactic used as the one that I alluded to in the 1982 AFC Championship game between the Dolphins and the Jets ........ the non-use of a tarpaulin by the home team to intentionally deter the players' footing on the playing field.



However, that is a different game than the one that we were discussing ........ that article is in regard to the following season's game (2004), which was a divisional playoff.



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Belicheat probably went out there with a hose the night before just to make sure.
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Thanks !!!

That was the same tactic used as the one that I alluded to in the 1982 AFC Championship game between the Dolphins and the Jets ........ the non-use of a tarpaulin by the home team to intentionally deter the players' footing on the playing field.



However, that is a different game than the one that we were discussing ........ that article is in regard to the following season's game (2004), which was a divisional playoff.



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Belicheat probably went out there with a hose the night before just to make sure.



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We know for a fact that they intentionally left the tarpaulin off of the field for the entire week preceding the game.

While it's possible that the Patriots may be guilty of more than what they have been caught for, I prefer not to suppose and/or make up additional possibilities when there is plenty of fact to incriminate them of their highly questionable (and sometimes illegal) tactics.



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That's the same article that ALR posted, in regard to the Patriots not using the tarpaulin to cover the field for the entire week prior in their 2004 season divisional playoff game.



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Old friend Frank Gore compliments Luck.

Gore asserts that Luck now looks less timid than he did when he played alongside him with a considerably lesser offensive line in 2015 and 2016.




Frank Gore on Andrew Luck: ‘He’s Looking Like that Boy Comin’ Out of Stanford’

(By Mike Chappell)

https://fox59.com/2018/11/21/frank-g...t-of-stanford/



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We know for a fact that they intentionally left the tarpaulin off of the field for the entire week preceding the game.

While it's possible that the Patriots may be guilty of more than what they have been caught for, I prefer not to suppose and/or make up additional possibilities when there is plenty of fact to incriminate them of their highly questionable (and sometimes illegal) tactics.



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“Oh Hey! It’s raining pretty hard for several days now.”


“What do we do when that happens?”


“Well usually in every other instance we try to protect the integrity of the field and cover it with a tarp.”



“What’s a tarp?... and what’s integrity?”







I’m sure it was just a coincidence that they were worried about the teams speed. Belichick has never bent the rules and doesn’t really pay attention to the details.
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“Oh Hey! It’s raining pretty hard for several days now.”


“What do we do when that happens?”


“Well usually in every other instance we try to protect the integrity of the field and cover it with a tarp.”



“What’s a tarp?... and what’s integrity?”







I’m sure it was just a coincidence that they were worried about the teams speed. Belichick has never bent the rules and doesn’t really pay attention to the details.
"You lost me at tarp, but in...integ...inte...that other word you said, not only do I not recognize it, but attempting to say it appears to make me physically ill." - Bill Belicheat
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(vs. DOLPHINS, 11/25)



In spite of not having his best game, and in spite of Adam "Money" Vinatieri missing a crucial field goal attempt late in the 3rd quarter, Andrew rallied the troops for 13 consecutive points on the Colts' final 3 drives of the game to turn a 24-14 deficit into a 27-24 victory.


On the final drive, Luck shook free of a potential sack on 3rd down and 9 to throw what proved to be a game-winning completion to a wide-open Chester Rogers 34 yards downfield. Vinatieri kicked the game-winner 3 plays later on the final play of the game.


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