Colts-Jags super quick thoughts

[HoosierinFL]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

I do as well. But Reich had to know that points would be at a premium and that it wasn't going to take that may points to beat the Jags.

I have no qualms with Reich going for the win against the Texicans because it shows the team we only care about wins. In this case, I believe he sacrificed the win in order to try to score TD's.

Big difference IMO.

There’s a fine line between being aggressive vs. reckless. Reich crossed it this time.

[Oldcolt]

Originally Posted by HoosierinFL

There’s a fine line between being aggressive vs. reckless. Reich crossed it this time.

Lets hope he has learned where that line is.

[Chaka]

Originally Posted by Wyatt

ugly game yesterday, but I still think the future is bright. With as young of a team as we have, with a rookie coach, and young GM, we're going to be inconsistent and have some growing pains.

We really missed Kelly and Doyle, but we have got to figure out how to plan around that, no team, this late in the season will have an entirely healthy roster, we've actually been pretty fortunate this season other than a few games early on.

Agreed with most of what GBB and Omaha observed, and I fully support Reich's call from the 1 to go for the TD. Reich and Ballard have shown that they will take ownership in mistakes unlike the last regime.

Agreed. Ugly, sucky, disappointing game. This was just one of those games where Reich's aggressiveness worked against us. The problem is that we came up just shy so many times on 3rd down, leading to three failed 4th-and-1 attempts. If we had been 4th-and-4 in those instances, I'm guessing we would have kicked field goals and ultimately won the game.

Ryan Grant seemed to have a particularly bad day. Not a good sign for a guy on a one year "show me" contract.

Gotta credit JAX, I guess, as much as I don't want to. Their QB didn't beat us, but the defense did.

P.S. We need to figure out a way to embarrass Jalen Ramsey next time we play them - the guy is a punk.

[Pez]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

i have some thoughts as well
8) that call by the ref at the end? dude should be fired. that is just inexcusable. seriously. he should be fired. this is not an overreaction or a joke.

I am apparently in the minority, but this was the right call. The refs cant decide if a team wants forward progress or wants to stop the clock, so they always give forward progress.

Imagine a scenario where it's 4th and 3 from the opponents 10 yard line. We run 3.5 yards to the 6.5, then get pushed back and out of bounds at the 9. The ref gives forward progress and we get a first down. If the ref says the runner is out of bounds, then the spot must become the 9 and it's a turnover on downs.

The only time in such a scenario where the ref would not give forward progress is if Ebron went backwards and out of bounds under his own power, in which case the clock would have stopped. Ramsey made his play and ended the game.

There were a sh** ton of opportunities to win this game. This call was not what lost the game for us, nor was it a bad call.

[DrSpaceman]

Originally Posted by Pez

I am apparently in the minority, but this was the right call. The refs cant decide if a team wants forward progress or wants to stop the clock, so they always give forward progress.

Imagine a scenario where it's 4th and 3 from the opponents 10 yard line. We run 3.5 yards to the 6.5, then get pushed back and out of bounds at the 9. The ref gives forward progress and we get a first down. If the ref says the runner is out of bounds, then the spot must become the 9 and it's a turnover on downs.

The only time in such a scenario where the ref would not give forward progress is if Ebron went backwards and out of bounds under his own power, in which case the clock would have stopped. Ramsey made his play and ended the game.

There were a sh** ton of opportunities to win this game. This call was not what lost the game for us, nor was it a bad call.

I thought it was a bad call, but it didn't lose the game.

Even if they get one more play, probably not scoring a TD on the next play.

Luck should have downed the ball on the play before, wasted WAY too much time there on a play that did nothing. If he had spiked it and saved 15-20 seconds, could have still worked the middle of the field on the next play, had a chance to spike it and get one shot at the end zone from a reasonable 10-15 yards

Lots of mismanagement by Luck and Reich

[sherck]

#1: There is no WR on our roster that I want back in 2019 with the exception of T.Y. and Cain. That's it; fire the rest, sign a value veteran in free agency and draft two in the draft, one in the top 3 rounds and one in the mid rounds. We need a completely rebuilt WR corps.

#2: Jumbo packages against a tough run front is terrible in the NFL. SO much more effective to go 4 wide and run from the shotgun (with the run from the base/jumbo every now and then). We got WAY too one-dimensional and their defense is too good fro that.

#3: I love how our defense played; even if it was against a poor NFL offense. Yes, it needs more talent and it will get added to in 2019 but we have some really nice, young pieces in Leonard, Walker, Hooker, Wilson, Lewis and Turay. Add another 4 high calibre players in 2019 and this defense starts to turn a corner, I think.

#4: I am undecided on RB. The last five games were good running game; this one killed us. Is it the scheme, the O-Line or the RBs? I am not sold on Bell at all but I hope we at least talk to him in free agency to see where it is at. In the end, I would probably not sign him but at least kick the tires.

#5: Rookie HC got schooled yesterday. I hope he learns from it (and I think he will).

#6: That probably just killed our playoff chances. If we got a loss, we needed it to be non-divisional for Wildcard tiebreakers. The Jags just pretty much killed our playoff hopes.

I am not nearly as upset by the loss as I though I would be. I figured that we would not run a perfect 10-0 in our last ten games but I figured the losses would be to the Texans or Cowboys and not the dumpster fire Jags. Oh well, 8 - 8 here we come!

Walk Worthy,

[DrSpaceman]

I don't think the Colts will make the playoffs and this pretty much killed it. Will likely need to win out.

However, even though Baltimore is in the second WC spot right now, they are in a tight race with Pitt and could end up taking the divison. They both have two tough games left

Pitt has NE and NO
Balt has KC and LA chargers.

They could both end up losing two, making Pitt 9-6-1 and Balt 9-7. If somehow COlts win the last 4 they could sneak by them.

Then assuming no other teams ends up 10-6 and they win the tiebreakers.

Still possible, but now there is zero room for error and losses.

[Hoopsdoc]

Originally Posted by Dewey 5

I know it's not popular but now I'm all in for Bell.

Sigh. We don’t need Bell and the 15 million per year cap hit he’s gonna demand. We could draft or sign one.

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by Pez

I am apparently in the minority, but this was the right call. The refs cant decide if a team wants forward progress or wants to stop the clock, so they always give forward progress.

Imagine a scenario where it's 4th and 3 from the opponents 10 yard line. We run 3.5 yards to the 6.5, then get pushed back and out of bounds at the 9. The ref gives forward progress and we get a first down. If the ref says the runner is out of bounds, then the spot must become the 9 and it's a turnover on downs.

The only time in such a scenario where the ref would not give forward progress is if Ebron went backwards and out of bounds under his own power, in which case the clock would have stopped. Ramsey made his play and ended the game.

There were a sh** ton of opportunities to win this game. This call was not what lost the game for us, nor was it a bad call.

It was a fucking terrible call. He got hit and landed out of bounds. There is simply no other way to look at it. The scenario you named isn’t the same. Even the head ref guy said he didn’t agree

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by sherck

#1: There is no WR on our roster that I want back in 2019 with the exception of T.Y. and Cain. That's it; fire the rest, sign a value veteran in free agency and draft two in the draft, one in the top 3 rounds and one in the mid rounds. We need a completely rebuilt WR corps.

#2: Jumbo packages against a tough run front is terrible in the NFL. SO much more effective to go 4 wide and run from the shotgun (with the run from the base/jumbo every now and then). We got WAY too one-dimensional and their defense is too good fro that.

#3: I love how our defense played; even if it was against a poor NFL offense. Yes, it needs more talent and it will get added to in 2019 but we have some really nice, young pieces in Leonard, Walker, Hooker, Wilson, Lewis and Turay. Add another 4 high calibre players in 2019 and this defense starts to turn a corner, I think.

#4: I am undecided on RB. The last five games were good running game; this one killed us. Is it the scheme, the O-Line or the RBs? I am not sold on Bell at all but I hope we at least talk to him in free agency to see where it is at. In the end, I would probably not sign him but at least kick the tires.

#5: Rookie HC got schooled yesterday. I hope he learns from it (and I think he will).

#6: That probably just killed our playoff chances. If we got a loss, we needed it to be non-divisional for Wildcard tiebreakers. The Jags just pretty much killed our playoff hopes.

I am not nearly as upset by the loss as I though I would be. I figured that we would not run a perfect 10-0 in our last ten games but I figured the losses would be to the Texans or Cowboys and not the dumpster fire Jags. Oh well, 8 - 8 here we come!

Walk Worthy,

I disagree about the WRs. I think Inman would make a good WR3, but he has to be WR2 with our roster. I think he would win matchups at WR3, but not at WR2.

The rest of your post is about right. Especially where you said you are not as upset about not making the playoffs. We always want to make the playoffs, but a top 15 pick to an almost playoff team that is hungry like ours is will do wonders for the future.