Colts draft RB DJ Giddens - Round 5, Pick 151

[ukcolt]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

There are two parts of football that are all about effort and desire for a RB, IMO at least. They are protecting the football (keeping fumbles to a minimum) and pass pro. JT sucks at both, which tells me he has all the talent in the world and no or very little desire to improve.

I am not sure what you are on about regards fumbles. He has had 1369 touches of the ball and lost a total of 7 fumbles, thats once every 196 touches.

Derrick Henry has 2355 touches in his career and has 10 fumbles lost, so 1 every 234 touches.

But over the last 2 years in Taylor's 509 touches of the ball he has fumbled just the once where he has lost the ball, that's actually amazingly good, and not bad in any way shape or form!!! Henry is actually even better
over the same time period he has 1 fumble lost in the last 652 touches.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by ukcolt

I am not sure what you are on about regards fumbles. He has had 1369 touches of the ball and lost a total of 7 fumbles, thats once every 196 touches.

Derrick Henry has 2355 touches in his career and has 10 fumbles lost, so 1 every 234 touches.

But over the last 2 years in Taylor's 509 touches of the ball he has fumbled just the once where he has lost the ball, that's actually amazingly good, and not bad in any way shape or form!!! Henry is actually even better
over the same time period he has 1 fumble lost in the last 652 touches.

JT cost the Colts a game in his rookie year and their season last year with fumbles. Say he doesn't have a fumble problem if you want, but he has a fumble problem when it matters.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Mr. Session

Addai had a great headfake, a solid jumpcut, and could run with power. I didn't think the dancing was all that effective either but when he was hitting on all cylinders he was a pretty damn good running back.

I think he ran with a lot more power at LSU then the kid out of KS does but I see the similarities in their elusiveness. Some guys have that, some guys don't. This kid out of KS has it, clearly, and Addai had it in a way Donald Brown simply didn't (Hated that pick but loved how he finished here).

Comparing Addai to Taylor, to me, is nuts. Taylor is a North South guy at his very core. Whenever Taylor starts trying to go lateral and play with an agility skill set he looks average.

Who compared Addai to Taylor? YDFL compared Giddens to Addai, while I said that Giddens reminded me of JT as a runner, a less consistent Edge as a receiver, and Addai in pass pro.

That said, watch Giddens run and tell me you don't see JT with better ball protection and less breakaway speed.

[ukcolt]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

JT cost the Colts a game in his rookie year and their season last year with fumbles. Say he doesn't have a fumble problem if you want, but he has a fumble problem when it matters.

That's just BS, he clearly doesn't. He royally effed up with dropping the ball as he crossed the goal line this year, but that is a one off, that is his lone fumble. It was unbelievably dumb and definitely cost the Colts the game this year.

Often any fumble that results in a turnover will cost a team a game. That's the same for every single skill player and isn't a slight on JT and absolutely isn't a cause for concern.

I am absolutely not disagreeing that JT's pass blocking skills and abilities as a receiver out of the backfield are below average. But his pure running skills are right up there with anyone in the NFL to ever have played the game.

[ukcolt]

I think people don't truly appreciate just how good of a skill player JT is, and in my opinion we are extremely lucky to have him on our team.

Did i like the way he held out a few seasons ago..nah of course not, is he the sort of guy who i would personally gravitate towards, probably not, (never met the guy and he might very well be the nicest human being alive) but he is a damn good running back.

Colts clearly like him, as he was announcing draft selections in the draft on behalf of the Colts.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by ukcolt

That's just BS, he clearly doesn't. He royally effed up with dropping the ball as he crossed the goal line this year, but that is a one off, that is his lone fumble. It was unbelievably dumb and definitely cost the Colts the game this year.

Often any fumble that results in a turnover will cost a team a game. That's the same for every single skill player and isn't a slight on JT and absolutely isn't a cause for concern.

I am absolutely not disagreeing that JT's pass blocking skills and abilities as a receiver out of the backfield are below average. But his pure running skills are right up there with anyone in the NFL to ever have played the game.

I couldn't care less. Let's just agree to disagree. Hope Giddens beats JT out for RB1 this year.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by ukcolt

I think people don't truly appreciate just how good of a skill player JT is, and in my opinion we are extremely lucky to have him on our team.

Did i like the way he held out a few seasons ago..nah of course not, is he the sort of guy who i would personally gravitate towards, probably not, (never met the guy and he might very well be the nicest human being alive) but he is a damn good running back.

Colts clearly like him, as he was announcing draft selections in the draft on behalf of the Colts.

JT is an elite runner. Edgerrin James was an elite running back. Hopefully Giddens becomes more like the latter than the former.

[Mr. Session]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

Who compared Addai to Taylor? YDFL compared Giddens to Addai, while I said that Giddens reminded me of JT as a runner, a less consistent Edge as a receiver, and Addai in pass pro.

That said, watch Giddens run and tell me you don't see JT with better ball protection and less breakaway speed.

I can't fucking read, you're right; My bad.

I genuinely see more Addai in the guy, personally. I do not really see how he compares to Taylor.

[ChaosTheory]

Piqued my interest regarding fumble stats, so I looked it up. Fumble rate is apparently not conveniently aggregated, but I found this list of NFL RB's with 3000+ career rush attempts and how many fumbles they had:

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/low...-3000-attempts

If you do the math:

• Curtis Martin was a freak, fumbling once every 121 attempts.
• Ladainian Tomlinson was next best at once every 102 attempts.
• Jerome Bettis once every 85 attempts
• Frank Gore once every 81 attempts.
• Barry Sanders once every 75 attempts.
• Emmitt Smith once every 72 attempts.
• Edgerrin James once every 69 attempts.
• Adrian Peterson once every 66 attempts.
• Walter Payton and Marcus Allen were worst, fumbling once every 45 and 46 attempts respectively.

If you do the math on JT, he's got 13 total fumbles on 1228 carries. Meaning he fumbles once every 94 attempts, which would be good for third on this list. Even if he gets worse in the latter part of his career, he probably ends up in the range of Sanders, Smith, James, and Peterson at worst.

Just to give an idea.

[ChaosTheory]

I know JT was a shit head, and he definitely had some costly, untimely fumbles for us... and his pass blocking is not there.

But the good outweighs the bad by a lot. His vision and patience is really good, he's big and downhill on contact, and nobody can catch him if he hits a crease. Rewatch even last year's tape. He had 1400+yds in 14 games. Only two others were better.

I'm not anxious to lose him, although I do like the young guy the more I watch him.