Dave Toub research

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by Coltsalr

True, McDaniels has only proven himself capable of having a spectacular offense when he has a great QB. I have no doubt that he’d falter, just as he has in the past, with a lame QB, much like Brian Billick.

Luckily, he’d have a great QB in Indy.

I say this, not sarcastically, because we have indeed had idiot OC’s that have proven themselves incapable of having great offenses with a great QB. McDaniels at least wouldn’t squander our QB talent.

I worry about how long it would take to get the offense built the way that McDaniels would want; although, it isn't terribly different from what the offense needs anyway. If they were to do it, now is a good time. They need:

-Multiple underneath WR options
-Receiving back
-Upgrade at TE
-3 OL

Sure, they have the QB (assuming health), but that's a 2-3 year build needed on offense.

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by Gimmick

I have no problem with hiring a ST coach, God knows our return units have been worst of all time for 20 years.

But I challenge anyone to find me a SB winning coach who didn't start until he was AARP or getting ready to collect social security. He's probably just a good assistant and nothing more.

Winning a Super Bowl is too small a criteria. How about Bruce Arians?

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by VeveJones007

I worry about how long it would take to get the offense built the way that McDaniels would want; although, it isn't terribly different from what the offense needs anyway. If they were to do it, now is a good time. They need:

-Multiple underneath WR options
-Receiving back
-Upgrade at TE
-3 OL

Sure, they have the QB (assuming health), but that's a 2-3 year build needed on offense.

Not sure all of that is true. The line would look better with quicker reads. TY and Rogers could do the underneath stuff quite well, if allowed. Heck, Donte could, if retained for a new contract. Doyle can catch as well as most TEs. If you want a Gronk, then you will be disappointed. There is just one of those.

[Coltsalr]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

and you would get more patriots to root for

Our track record on former Pats that I’ve been excited to acquire (Butler, Sheard, Brissett, Sergio Brown, etc) has been pretty good.

[Coltsalr]

Originally Posted by VeveJones007

I worry about how long it would take to get the offense built the way that McDaniels would want; although, it isn't terribly different from what the offense needs anyway. If they were to do it, now is a good time. They need:

-Multiple underneath WR options
-Receiving back
-Upgrade at TE
-3 OL

Sure, they have the QB (assuming health), but that's a 2-3 year build needed on offense.

McDaniels has made it work in spite of rotating personnel, particularly along the OL in NE.

That said, I do agree that for his quick hitting offense that we’d need to start changing the WR corps to getting smart WR’s that can read coverages and get open underneath as opposed to the world-class speed burner deep threats that Grigson had such a fetish for.

[Coltsalr]

Originally Posted by Racehorse

Not sure all of that is true. The line would look better with quicker reads. TY and Rogers could do the underneath stuff quite well, if allowed. Heck, Donte could, if retained for a new contract. Doyle can catch as well as most TEs. If you want a Gronk, then you will be disappointed. There is just one of those.

Well, I do doubt that Ballard’s former team would be willing to trade us Kelce.

That said, Jimmy Graham is supposed to be let go by Seattle this offseason. He could fit the bill on doing some of the deep seam and red zone routes that McDaniels likes to run with Gronk.

[Dewey 5]

McDaniels is the guy I really want to get the job but I don't think he will take the job if Ballard offers it to him.I think he will go the Giants or Titans when they lose today & Mularkey gets fired.

Next up for me would be Matt Nagy & I wouldn't hesitate for one minute.

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by Coltsalr

Our track record on former Pats that I’ve been excited to acquire (Butler, Sheard, Brissett, Sergio Brown, etc) has been pretty good.

you have wanted every single patriot that has been released or traded or not signed by the pats.


it would be an easier list to ask what former pats players didn't you want?

[Coltsalr]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

you have wanted every single patriot that has been released or traded or not signed by the pats.


it would be an easier list to ask what former pats players didn't you want?

And you were a cheerleader for every guy that Grigson did bring in.

It would be easier to come up with a list to come up with guys that Grigson brought in that didn’t actually suck.

[Puck]

Toub isn't even scheduled for an interview with the Colts unless I mossed something