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You keep saying stuff like this while also peddling obvious lies in other threads.

And when called on it, you just run away.
Go read the article
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Old 07-06-2022, 07:19 PM
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I said, it was interesting. I also never said I agreed with it, or it was real, said IF IT WAS. Yet you bombard me links for liberal media outlets I am supposed to take as gospel, cause, you know, you said it was. Get the fuck out of here you retarded idiot.
Business insider? Really? Try reading it
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I said, it was interesting. I also never said I agreed with it, or it was real, said IF IT WAS. Yet you bombard me links for liberal media outlets I am supposed to take as gospel, cause, you know, you said it was. Get the fuck out of here you retarded idiot.

But thats how this crap becomes some peoples truth. Someone perpetuates shit they hear or see, even if they know its wrong, and it sinks into dumb people. This is exactly what tucker carlson does. He has an opinion/entertainment show and continuously claims to just “ask questions” knowing full well that the dumb people watching will just take it as truth. My friends and I have a theory, 4 out of 5. That is, 4 out of 5 people are stupid. Trump knows this and exploited it to no end.

You seem intelligent although we dont agree on a lot of things. But if you bring things up like that documentary and throw a random IF statement in, dumb people will latch on and push that narrative further.


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Voting rights activists worried this year could bring a tsunami of new voting restrictions. It’s arrived.

As of last month, Republican lawmakers in 43 states had introduced more than 250 bills that would make it more difficult to vote, according to the Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University Law School, up from about 100 in 28 states two months ago.

But Democrats also are focusing on ballot access during this year’s legislative sessions: They have introduced nearly three times as many bills that would make it easier to vote.

Despite the logistical success of the November presidential election, when most election experts saw few widespread problems, misinformation surrounding the legitimacy of the democratic process has fueled the GOP efforts.

Former President Donald Trump’s lies about voter fraud and a corrupted election system, which culminated in the Jan. 6 pro-Trump riot at the U.S. Capitol, remain salient. Recent polls show that three-quarters of Republican voters believe the election was stolen.

Saying they want to safeguard the integrity of elections and restore voters’ trust, GOP lawmakers are advancing bills that would reduce the number of ballot drop boxes or eliminate them, drastically curtail early voting periods and limit who can vote by mail.

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STATELINE STORY February 5, 2021
Republicans Target Ballot Access After Record Turnout
This legislation could be devastating for voter turnout, especially in communities of color and for voters with disabilities, voting rights advocates warn.

“It’s all sort of geared toward addressing this specter of fraud and the specter of problems that don’t really exist,” said Brad Ashwell, the Florida state director for All Voting is Local, a voting rights nonprofit.

“They’re looking to make the process harder, more costly, and create a lot more voter confusion.”

Florida Republicans have introduced several restrictive voting bills, including one that would ban ballot drop boxes and block mail-in ballot applications that were used in previous elections. The authors of the bills say these measures are essential for improving election security.

Republicans in other states echo those arguments. Arizona state Sen. J.D. Mesnard said he has received “overwhelming” feedback from his constituents about what they perceive as a lack of integrity in the voting process.

“One strategy is you just say, ‘Nothing to see here,’ and dismiss those concerns, and try to make the case they’ve been lied to or deceived," he told Stateline. "That doesn’t fix the problem, true or not. I’ve stayed away from any declarations other than acknowledge there’s this massive number of people that have lost faith in the system.”

‘It Is a Direct Attack’

Arizona Republicans are set to pass a bill that would cull the permanent early voting list of voters who have not participated in four straight elections. Proponents hope this will reduce ballots sent to inactive or deceased voters. Another bill that would add voter ID or affidavit requirements for mail-in ballots passed the state Senate.

“Most of the Republican bills are concerned about limiting the possibility of fraud,” said state Rep. John Kavanagh, a Republican who chairs the Arizona House Government and Elections Committee. “And that’s a legitimate issue.”

But bills like the ones being considered in Arizona could have a disproportionate impact on voters with disabilities, said Jon Meyers, the executive director of The Arc of Arizona, a disability rights group. A bill that would require more forms of ID for voting absentee could hurt people with cognitive or physical disabilities who do not drive or understand differences in acceptable types of credentials. Another bill that would shorten absentee voting periods could also hurt voters with disabilities who need more time to correct signature matching issues.

“It’s tightening this belt around who can and cannot participate in an election,” Meyers said. “They are seeking to disenfranchise people who legitimately have the right to vote, who should not have barriers put in their path. And people with disabilities often get caught in that crossfire.”

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Election Disinformation Fears Came True for State Officials
For voters of color, many of these Republican-led measures that would cut voting hours or add burdensome steps to casting an absentee ballot feel like an attempt by White lawmakers to retain power in a rapidly diversifying nation.

That feeling resonates for Black activists in Georgia, where Black voters accounted for nearly half of the growth in the state’s voter population between 2000 and 2019, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of census data. (The Pew Charitable Trusts funds the center and Stateline.)

Republican-sponsored bills in Georgia would reduce absentee voting periods, eliminate mobile voting units and increase voter ID requirements for absentee ballots. Another bill would allow poll watchers at tabulation areas.

“They’re giving people this stamp of approval and saying you can challenge as many people as you want,” said Andrea Young, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Georgia, of the poll watchers. “It’s a vestige of Jim Crow.”

In Iowa, Republican lawmakers passed a bill that reduced early voting by nine days to 20 and cut Election Day hours by an hour to 8 p.m. The measure, which Republican Gov. Kim Reynolds signed earlier this month, also criminalizes ballot collection by people outside of a household, immediate family or caregiver.

The League of United Latin American Citizens, a Latino rights group, is now suing the Hawkeye State to repeal the law, which it says would hurt people with multiple jobs. Iowa is also an English-only state, meaning all ballots are solely written in English. Latino advocates worry that their work assisting non-English speakers with their ballot would now be illegal.

“Hopefully in a courtroom, it will be clear that this has nothing to do with voter security,” said Joe Henry, the group’s Iowa political director. “It’s voter restriction. It’s voter suppression. It’s racism. It’s targeting new voters.”

His organization, which during the pandemic has been fighting for the safety of the thousands of workers in Iowa’s meatpacking plants, is going to have to shift a lot of its attention to educating Latino voters about these new law changes, he said.

In a news release, Reynolds said it was her duty to “protect the integrity of every election,” and give Iowans more confidence in their vote.

The Ongoing Fight

Bills that would expand ballot access still vastly outnumber those that would restrict access for voters. According to the Brennan Center, lawmakers in 43 states introduced more than 700 bills that would widen access by allowing absentee voting without a state-approved excuse, adding same-day voter registration and streamlining the ballot-counting process.

The Vermont Senate, for example, passed legislation that would allow the state to mail ballots to all voters in general elections. Meanwhile, the Illinois House passed a bill that would increase the number of ballot drop boxes.

Many of these bills, written mostly by Democratic lawmakers, attempt to build off an election that was more reliant on voting by mail. During the pandemic, voting by mail was seen by election experts as a safe, convenient way to cast a ballot. It’s also a method of voting that does not benefit one party over another, several studies show.

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STATELINE STORY December 3, 2020
Lawmakers Push to Preserve Pandemic Voting Access
It is frustrating that, after such a successful election with record turnout, some states would want to roll back access to the ballot, said Patti Brigham, president of the League of Women Voters of Florida, a voter education nonprofit. It is especially troubling that this “voter suppression” is built off fabrications by Trump and his allies in the aftermath of an unsuccessful election, she said.

“Unfortunately, that kind of rhetoric has consequences, and those consequences are that many voters believed it,” said Brigham. “This is obviously opportunistic to continue to play to those who believe there was massive voter fraud in 2020, which we know was completely untrue.”

Many Republicans still hold onto that belief and want to add what they see as commonsense protections to the election system. To some conservatives, these measures also are important to bring consistency to election procedures that varied during the pandemic, when local election officials tried to find ways to expand voting by mail without definitive state guidance.

In Texas, Republicans are seeking to ban counties from sending mail-in ballot applications to all voters and to limit drive-thru voting. Other legislation would require that voters with disabilities provide documented proof of their disability before being allowed to vote absentee. Another bill would mandate that rural areas in the state have the same number of voting machines as urban areas despite the lower population in rural areas, which tend to lean Republican.

Many of these bills seem to target Harris County, which includes Houston. Before the 2020 presidential election, officials in the Houston area attempted to send mail-in ballot applications to all voters. They were stopped by the Texas Supreme Court in October. Election officials there also offered drive-thru voting, which accounted for 127,000 votes in November.

“Lawmakers see there are things to tighten up,” said Chuck DeVore, vice president of national initiatives at the Texas Public Policy Foundation, a conservative organization. “You can see some of the concern that is raised when the floodgates are opened to these novel forms of voting, but don’t have the protections for voter secrecy or intimidation.”

Anthony Gutierrez, the executive director of Common Cause Texas, a voting rights organization, is not surprised by the legislation in the Lone Star State, but he is alarmed.

“They’re at the forefront of finding new and innovative ways to suppress the vote,” he said of Texas Republicans. “These are blatant attempts to keep people from voting.”

Republicans’ efforts to dramatically restrict ballot access in Georgia have gotten the attention of the state’s business community.

In an unusual step, the Georgia Chamber of Commerce, along with large, Georgia-based companies such as Aflac Inc., The Coca-Cola Co., Delta Air Lines Inc., Home Depot Inc. and UPS Inc., this month expressed vague support for increased ballot access. However, most of the statements also cited the need for “election integrity,” echoing Republican arguments in favor of new restrictions.

Voting rights activists are demanding a clearer stand from Georgia’s business community. Earlier this month, activists staged a “die-in” at the World of Coca-Cola museum in Atlanta to call on the beverage behemoth to oppose the new restrictions.

“Georgia thinks of itself as a place that is good for business,” said Nicole Henderson, the communications director for the New Georgia Project, a grassroots voting rights organization that opposes the restrictive bills. “Democracy is good for business.”
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Who can't get a fucking ID in America? That's the leftish bullshit they keep trying to spew out. Fucking ridiculous. You SHOULD have an ID to vote, it isn't that hard to get one unless you are dumb as a fence post.
i don't necessarily disagree but how would you distribute those ID's?
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Watch 2000 mules. Very interesting. Given the producer is does have a right slant, but if half of it is true there should be a true insurrection.
2000 mules has no evidence of anything.

even trumps own AG laughed at it.
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Lindsey Graham and Guiliani won't obey the subpeona.

what are they afraid of?

innocent people wouldn't do that. yet crickets
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2000 mules has no evidence of anything.

even trumps own AG laughed at it.
Everybody laughs at Trump, well, anyone smart enough to know what really happens in DC. Its all smoke and mirrors.
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But thats how this crap becomes some peoples truth. Someone perpetuates shit they hear or see, even if they know its wrong, and it sinks into dumb people. This is exactly what tucker carlson does. He has an opinion/entertainment show and continuously claims to just “ask questions” knowing full well that the dumb people watching will just take it as truth. My friends and I have a theory, 4 out of 5. That is, 4 out of 5 people are stupid. Trump knows this and exploited it to no end.

You seem intelligent although we dont agree on a lot of things. But if you bring things up like that documentary and throw a random IF statement in, dumb people will latch on and push that narrative further.


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Who can't get a fucking ID in America? That's the leftish bullshit they keep trying to spew out. Fucking ridiculous. You SHOULD have an ID to vote, it isn't that hard to get one unless you are dumb as a fence post.
My Mom couldnt. She was 87, in a nursing home and no longer drove a car. Her license expired, and S.Dakota law required an ID. My sister took a day out of work so she could get Mom a state ID. Not everyone has that kind of help or time. Many in nursing home or long term care have trouble getting help. There are many city dwellers who dont have drivers license, they dont own a car. Many poor people have difficulty getting to polling stations that are located across town, or have shortened hours. Not many businesses will give time off work for voting.

They are making it harder to use absentee ballots. Why? I had to vote in my first two federal elections by absentee ballots. I voted during covid by absentee. I works and there were limited problems with the latest federal election.

When the machines of government are set against the people they should help, its a problem.
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