Realistic Draft

[rcubed]

Thats a pretty good hual.

At the same time, fuck the pats.

[Chromeburn]

I would set the deal up with the pats, then cancel it at the last minute.

[Puck]

Originally Posted by FatDT

BPA isn't this brilliant idea you seem to think it is. "Best player" isn't something most teams are going to agree on. It's best player on their own board. When they set up that board, they take their own roster, scheme, and philosophy into account. A team like ours will not value a 340 lb two gap NT the same way a traditional 3-4 team would. Therefore a NT ranked in the 40s by us might be a top 12 player for another team.

Team fit matters. No GM ever sets out to draft a "best player" that doesn't fit their team.

Agree on each GM rating differently. It once they are ranked it's pretty hard to go against the work your scouts have put in

[Puck]

Originally Posted by sherck

2016 was a draft that went as hoped.

2x O-Linemen in the first 3 rounds.
Safety, LB, DT all 4th round picks or better
But yet 2x more O-Lineman as depth

We were screaming for O-Line help in 2016 and that draft "delivered." The safety in the 2nd round was a head scratcher as I was hoping for a defensive front-7 guy but Grigson talked him up so much that I said what the heck.


Now, obviously, the results ended up being underwhelming. Kelly has been fine when healthy and Haeg has played much better than your typical 5th round draft pick. I think Ridgeway will shine in a 1-gap system.

But Green, Clark, Morrison, Bates and Blythe? Yeah....

But 2016 pretty much went according to my plan. I had hoped that we were going to get 2x O-Line starters out of it (Kelly, Clark) with at least one quality backup (Haeg) and that, along with a healthy Mewhort would have made the O-Line a positive position on the theam.

That did not pan out but I was pleased with the draft at the time.

Now, I completely understand that you are going to come back and analysze every pick and say that they were "need" picks and thus sucked. And I don't have a ton of response to that other than "Grigson sucked in talent evaluation (and just about anything not involving the cap)."

So, there it is...


Walk Worthy,

I think 2016 would be a 1st round pick we all agreed on. Well most

[Puck]

Originally Posted by rm1369

I’d throw out tiers of players being a factor as well. If you have a RB as the top rated player on your board, but you have 3 other RBs with relatively similar ratings do you take that top rated back? What if you are confident one of those 4 similarly rated RBs will make it to your next pick, but there is only one similarly rated guard and then a huge drop off? A smart GM probably takes the guard.

The bottom line is that any GM that goes strictly BPA or strictly need is going to be a bad GM. There is more to building a team than just acquiring talent. At some point you have to put the talent on the field and it has to mesh.

I can agree with this. Makes perfect sense. But rounds 1-3 he is looking for talent He may reach a bit in later rounds.

I'm quite certain at least 3 of the picks in the 1st 3 rounds won't go as expected

[Maniac]

Originally Posted by sherck

So, it has been widely conjectured that if BUF wants to move up for a QB to our current #6 spot, it would take their #12, #22 (or 2019 1st round pick) and their first pick of the 3rd round # 65. Total points for that are 2,245 vs 1,600 for our #6 pick.

NE now has two 2018 first round picks after trading away Cooks to LAR and one of the conjectures is that they are looking for a QB. To get to a point value similiar to what is being said about the Bills, they would need to trade:

#23, #31, #43 (2nd round), # 63 (2nd round) and #95 (3rd round)

OR

#23, #31 and 2019 1st round draft pick


Would you trade the #6 overall for 2 1st round picks, 2 2nd round picks and a 3rd round pick?

If Ballard would do that, it would mean that the #3 overall pick in the draft would turn into:

#23 (1st round)
#31 (1st round)
#37 (2nd round)
#43 (2nd round)
#49 (2nd round)
#63 (2nd round)
#95 (3rd round)

+ 1 2019 2nd round pick (NYJ)

1 premier prospect versus 8x 1st/2nd/3rd round good prospects

Thoughts?

Walk Worthy,

I don't see Ballard trading with NE after the way they fucked him over (even if it did work out better for us getting Reich)

[Butter]

Originally Posted by JesusChrist

I don't see Ballard trading with NE after the way they fucked him over (even if it did work out better for us getting Reich)

If it benefits us I sure as shit hope he would.

[Maniac]

Originally Posted by Butter

If it benefits us I sure as shit hope he would.

It would help them too, so fuck them.... unless he gets an offer that is ridiculously in favor of the Colts, but the Pats never make those types of offers.

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

I would set the deal up with the pats, then cancel it at the last minute.

Post of the year, so far!

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by Puck

I'm quite certain at least 3 of the picks in the 1st 3 rounds won't go as expected

I personally would only be surprised if he picked a QB or C in rounds 1-3. Other than that what positions can you legitimately say are set? I suppose you could argue safety but I wouldn’t be surprised at either Fitzpatrick or James being drafted. Ballard has a lot of directions he can go.

If you mean he may not go OL early and often like many want or assume then I agree. Wouldn’t be surprised either way. The D was already short on talent and the scheme change just makes it worse. I’m torn on what I’d prefer to see. Luck has to be protected. But damn this D needs some talent.