2019 NFL Salary Cap announced - $188.2MM

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by Coltsalr

On the other hand, the Broncos went for broke in free agency and won the Super Bowl. The Rams went for broke and had Goff not shit the bed they’d also be (mercifully) Super Bowl champs right now.

Originally Posted by Dam8610

The Broncos and Rams also drafted well in those time frames. Both teams, despite adding significantly in free agency, still had mostly drafted starters. Both teams started with good core pieces and supplemented that with free agents. Jacksonville built their core through free agency, which is why their run was so short and fell apart so quickly.

But the Jags have drafted well previously also. Jalen Ramsey is their best player, Myles Jack, Smith, Fournette, Ronnie Harrison I think will be good, etc. They were not just built through FA. Their biggest problem is not hitting on a QB and not handling success well. If they had drafted Derek Carr instead of Bortles they might have a Superbowl now. They should not have given Bortles that huge contract.

It would be one thing if signing FA's to push over the top never works, but it does sometimes. So you can't say that it cannot work. The Steelers pretty much only build through the draft, they are in the conversation usually but they get beat by the pats just like everyone else, and right now they are imploding.

I think the point is that there is no one sure way to build a team. Think the Broncos regret signing those players? Or the Rams? Or the pats? We didn't win a Superbowl till that defense came together and Booger McFarlane (FA) solidified the interior of that D.

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by smitty46953

Jags have released DT Malik Jackson, S Tashaun Gipson, RT Jermey Parnell, LS Carson Tinker and RB Carlos Hyde.

Trying to get enough cap space to sign Foles I imagine ???

They did re-sign ex-Colt long snapper Matt Overton

That's probably their upcoming draft. Ed Oliver at 7. A safety or tackle in the second. A RB in the third.

I would pass on Jackson. He wasn’t that great for them. Let Wade Phillips pick him up. He played great for Philips.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

But the Jags have drafted well previously also. Jalen Ramsey is their best player, Myles Jack, Smith, Fournette, Ronnie Harrison I think will be good, etc. They were not just built through FA. Their biggest problem is not hitting on a QB and not handling success well. If they had drafted Derek Carr instead of Bortles they might have a Superbowl now. They should not have given Bortles that huge contract.

It would be one thing if signing FA's to push over the top never works, but it does sometimes. So you can't say that it cannot work. The Steelers pretty much only build through the draft, they are in the conversation usually but they get beat by the pats just like everyone else, and right now they are imploding.

I think the point is that there is no one sure way to build a team. Think the Broncos regret signing those players? Or the Rams? Or the pats? We didn't win a Superbowl till that defense came together and Booger McFarlane (FA) solidified the interior of that D.

McFarland was a trade. The biggest FA of the Polian era was Corey Simon, but he ended up with knee problems, which were IMO due to him letting himself get out of shape.

[Chaka]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

So if they win the Superbowl, they still should not have done it?

That would mean it turned out well for them - but not necessarily that it was a smart move.

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by Chaka

That would mean it turned out well for them - but not necessarily that it was a smart move.

Sigh

Let me rephrase it. Would you, Chaka, send your team into cap hell for a few seasons in the future, if your window was about to close and you knew you could win a Superbowl.

Just a yes or no, would you do it? I'm asking what you would do.

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

McFarland was a trade. The biggest FA of the Polian era was Corey Simon, but he ended up with knee problems, which were IMO due to him letting himself get out of shape.

Didn't Simon have some weird sickness? Yeah, they tried to address DT several ways. Quitcock, Moala. Finally took a trade to do it, so draft capital instead of straight up money.

[Luck4Reich]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

Sigh

Let me rephrase it. Would you, Chaka, send your team into cap hell for a few seasons in the future, if your window was about to close and you knew you could win a Superbowl.

Just a yes or no, would you do it? I'm asking what you would do.

I'm not sure why this is hard to say yes to.... 31 teams every year dont Win the SB... quite a few Have NEVER won a SB. So hell yes... do what it takes to win one.

[Luck4Reich]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

But the Jags have drafted well previously also. Jalen Ramsey is their best player, Myles Jack, Smith, Fournette, Ronnie Harrison I think will be good, etc. They were not just built through FA. Their biggest problem is not hitting on a QB and not handling success well. If they had drafted Derek Carr instead of Bortles they might have a Superbowl now. They should not have given Bortles that huge contract.

It would be one thing if signing FA's to push over the top never works, but it does sometimes. So you can't say that it cannot work. The Steelers pretty much only build through the draft, they are in the conversation usually but they get beat by the pats just like everyone else, and right now they are imploding.

I think the point is that there is no one sure way to build a team. Think the Broncos regret signing those players? Or the Rams? Or the pats? We didn't win a Superbowl till that defense came together and Booger McFarlane (FA) solidified the interior of that D.

If they had landed a competant QB. Would be speaking differently about them. Still hate em but they would have had a lot more success.

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

That's probably their upcoming draft. Ed Oliver at 7. A safety or tackle in the second. A RB in the third.

I would pass on Jackson. He wasn’t that great for them. Let Wade Phillips pick him up. He played great for Philips.

I don’t think that’s the route they take. I think they add Foles and stock up on receiving options in Rd 1 & 2. Maybe Metcalf and one of Fant or Hockenson if they drop.

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by NoLuck4Chuck

If they had landed a competant QB. Would be speaking differently about them. Still hate em but they would have had a lot more success.

They are punks, except Cambell, I still get steamed of how Ramsey throat punched Hilton last season. But they are a dominant defense and kicked our ass last game. With Nick Foles and some proper leadership, they could be scary.

Originally Posted by VeveJones007

I don’t think that’s the route they take. I think they add Foles and stock up on receiving options in Rd 1 & 2. Maybe Metcalf and one of Fant or Hockenson if they drop.

That would be interesting. I thought about WR, but Fant or Hockenson and a WR. Depends what Coughlin thinks they need most. They did draft Bryan (DT) last year and Chalk (WR). Maybe a TE is what they need. Hockenson would be a good blocker and catcher for them.