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Depending on how the board falls, I could see a desperate Bills team moving up for the last QB (giving the Colts 12 & 22 for 6) or the Bears moving up for Nelson (giving up 8 & 39 for 6). If I'm Ballard, those are two trades I make (though I make damn sure the Bears are drafting Nelson before trading with them because their needs are too similar to the Colts' needs), and if I'm making the second trade, I'm looking for a way back into the late 20s with that 39th overall pick, or maybe even the 37th pick. I'd like to see the Colts come away with 4 or more new defensive players that I'm confident can be starters out of this draft. There are a lot of good defenders in the top 50, hopefully Ballard brings a few of them in.
Why would the Bears do this?

1) If you make them commit to taking Nelson, you tip that you aren't interested in taking Nelson.
2) If you tell them you're considering trading with a team moving up for a QB, they would stand pat and get Nelson at 8.
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Why would the Bears do this?

1) If you make them commit to taking Nelson, you tip that you aren't interested in taking Nelson.
2) If you tell them you're considering trading with a team moving up for a QB, they would stand pat and get Nelson at 8.
1) You don't think teams figure out who the team trading up is picking? I know if they say "Edmunds" or "Smith", I'm probably less likely to do the trade than if they say "Nelson". And of course if Chubb is on the board, I wouldn't trade down.

2) I'm talking about two different scenarios. In the first scenario, at least one of the QBs is available. In the second scenario, all four QBs are taken. Obviously if a QB is there, the best offer will likely come from a QB needy team.
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1) You don't think teams figure out who the team trading up is picking? I know if they say "Edmunds" or "Smith", I'm probably less likely to do the trade than if they say "Nelson". And of course if Chubb is on the board, I wouldn't trade down.

2) I'm talking about two different scenarios. In the first scenario, at least one of the QBs is available. In the second scenario, all four QBs are taken. Obviously if a QB is there, the best offer will likely come from a QB needy team.
Please go back in history, and show me the last time a team traded up for a Guard, in the 1st round?
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The best role for both is safety. I'd draft either as a safety.



OL is a much lesser need than pretty much every defensive position, and guard isn't an impact position. Pretty much any defender the Colts could get at 6 has a chance to be a difference maker. I just don't see Nelson moving the needle all that much.

I think its funny you are all about drafting for need and you would take a safety.... Maybe our most set position on the team
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Bill Belichick on drafting for need

http://www.theherdnow.com/video-bill...-presser-rant/

I am 99.9999999% sure this is the same as all the GM's in the league and especially Ballard since he has said it over and over....

http://www.colts.com/videos/videos/C...9-5a40a08055a3
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Ballard doesnt expect 4 QB taken before we draft. He said he would be surprised if more than 2 are taken.

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2018/...018-nfl-draft/


That would be my guess also unless someone trades with Browns or Giants.

I dont think this QB class is as great as everyone else... Mayfield has Manziel written all over him IMO
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Ballard doesnt expect 4 QB taken before we draft. He said he would be surprised if more than 2 are taken.

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2018/...018-nfl-draft/


That would be my guess also unless someone trades with Browns or Giants.

I dont think this QB class is as great as everyone else... Mayfield has Manziel written all over him IMO
Thatís a poor, lazy comp. I didnít realize you could tell someone was an alcoholic merely by looking at them.

Mayfield is a significantly better prospect and doesnít have anywhere near the off-field concerns.
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I think its funny you are all about drafting for need and you would take a safety.... Maybe our most set position on the team
I'd rather have a safety duo that compares favorably to Earl Thomas and Eric Berry than have Kevin Zeitler at guard. One will make more of an overall impact on the team.
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Thatís a poor, lazy comp. I didnít realize you could tell someone was an alcoholic merely by looking at them.

Mayfield is a significantly better prospect and doesnít have anywhere near the off-field concerns.
I didn't say anything about being an alcoholic....

Maybe I should have said Ryan Leaf ......


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I'd rather have a safety duo that compares favorably to Earl Thomas and Eric Berry than have Kevin Zeitler at guard. One will make more of an overall impact on the team.
You still dont understand that the ONE thing. THE MOST IMPORTANT thing that will make the biggest impact is Luck being on the field and not getting sacked hit and injured yr after yr,

We can win without Chubb or the best safety duo in the NFL or the best MLB... we aren't winning without Luck
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